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To stadia or not to stadia for ESO?
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
Yes, and you make a good point. However with Stadia they are trusting two different companies with two different servers, doubling the risk.
This is similar to the Steam login issues. Using Stadia adds another dependency, which adds another point of failure.3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
In order to say the argument isn't relevant, you have to know for a fact that buying ESO on Stadia doesn't make Stadia a necessary dependency of playing ESO. If I decide to ditch Stadia because I feel it isn't worth it, do I take my ESO credentials with me? Or are they stuck in Stadia, like with ESO on Steam?
As of know we must assume buying ESO on Stadia will have a dependency of Stadia until Zos says Cross Save will be implemented.
As of the most recent articles I have seen Zos has specifically said they have not made a decision concerning Cross Save. That means there is a question of if we would be able to access our PC/Mac account and characters via Steam. Since those are the only two platforms that will play on the same server that is the only question that is relevant.
So yes, you do have a valid question and hopefully we will have a valid answer in the next couple months. Since Zos has said the game will release on Stadia sometimes in 2020 it does not seem release is imminent. This weeks dog and pony show may shed some light on these subjects. Might.0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Big NOPE from meEdited by Katahdin on January 13, 2020 7:13PMBeta tester November 20131 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seriously? You said January at the earliest which means you were aware that January was questionable.
That was 2 months ago. Again, sorry I forgot that so crucial piece of information that I used to have and then forgot.No, I do not want anything from you. I was just pointing you that you act like you have knowledge yet you get on the case of others over petty differences. Case in point your reply to ArchMikem.
Oh, you just wanted to make it a personal attack. Fine.
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TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Seriously? You said January at the earliest which means you were aware that January was questionable.
That was 2 months ago. Again, sorry I forgot that so crucial piece of information that I used to have and then forgot.No, I do not want anything from you. I was just pointing you that you act like you have knowledge yet you get on the case of others over petty differences. Case in point your reply to ArchMikem.
Oh, you just wanted to make it a personal attack. Fine.
just put him on ignore, they tend to just attack anyone and everyone they dont agree with.0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.
Horrible idea. Nvidia Shield uses an overlay that occupies several buttons and prevents you from doing necessary things like resing players and pulling up maps and something else... I returned my Shield TV because of it and accused them of falsw advertising because the game isnt fully playable as on pc or console. Then there are issues when zos updates the game and Shield does get the update for several days and is unplayable because you cant log in without the updated client. No thanks. Shield is not functional .I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
Yes, and you make a good point. However with Stadia they are trusting two different companies with two different servers, doubling the risk.
This is similar to the Steam login issues. Using Stadia adds another dependency, which adds another point of failure.DaveMoeDee wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
Yes, and you make a good point. However with Stadia they are trusting two different companies with two different servers, doubling the risk.
This is similar to the Steam login issues. Using Stadia adds another dependency, which adds another point of failure.
Steam doesnt have any login issues... not for a year and a half.... I have been playing for more than 2 years and i play on linux through steam and only once did i have an issue with loginI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0 -
BobGohdSoul ShrivenLady_Linux wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.
Horrible idea. Nvidia Shield uses an overlay that occupies several buttons and prevents you from doing necessary things like resing players and pulling up maps and something else... I returned my Shield TV because of it and accused them of falsw advertising because the game isnt fully playable as on pc or console. Then there are issues when zos updates the game and Shield does get the update for several days and is unplayable because you cant log in without the updated client. No thanks. Shield is not functional .
I concur. I own both Nvidia Shield (which I love for other reasons) and Stadia, along . with being a Steam user on my PC. When it comes to game streaming they are not even close. Everything on Nvidia is a pain to set up and get started and then only works some of the time. I think Tomb Raider was the only thing I got working to the point of playing it often enough.
Stadia, however, just works. Pick up the controller, press a few buttons and boom you're killin' stuff. Very very happy with Stadia and can't wait for ESO to come to it. I love the idea of cross play with PC too.
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
Yes, and you make a good point. However with Stadia they are trusting two different companies with two different servers, doubling the risk.
This is similar to the Steam login issues. Using Stadia adds another dependency, which adds another point of failure.DaveMoeDee wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »thesoundofwolf wrote: »I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Valid point... for offline games. Yet you're playing ESO... for which, whether you bought a physical copy or not, whether you use a local or a remote computer service, youu're still depending 100% on ZOS servers, and the minute ZOS plugs off the servers, your game is unplayable.
This argument is not relevant in the case on ESO via Stadia.
Yes, and you make a good point. However with Stadia they are trusting two different companies with two different servers, doubling the risk.
This is similar to the Steam login issues. Using Stadia adds another dependency, which adds another point of failure.
Steam doesnt have any login issues... not for a year and a half.... I have been playing for more than 2 years and i play on linux through steam and only once did i have an issue with loginLady_Linux wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.
Horrible idea. Nvidia Shield uses an overlay that occupies several buttons and prevents you from doing necessary things like resing players and pulling up maps and something else... I returned my Shield TV because of it and accused them of falsw advertising because the game isnt fully playable as on pc or console. Then there are issues when zos updates the game and Shield does get the update for several days and is unplayable because you cant log in without the updated client. No thanks. Shield is not functional .
I concur. I own both Nvidia Shield (which I love for other reasons) and Stadia, along . with being a Steam user on my PC. When it comes to game streaming they are not even close. Everything on Nvidia is a pain to set up and get started and then only works some of the time. I think Tomb Raider was the only thing I got working to the point of playing it often enough.
Stadia, however, just works. Pick up the controller, press a few buttons and boom you're killin' stuff. Very very happy with Stadia and can't wait for ESO to come to it. I love the idea of cross play with PC too.Lady_Linux wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.
Horrible idea. Nvidia Shield uses an overlay that occupies several buttons and prevents you from doing necessary things like resing players and pulling up maps and something else... I returned my Shield TV because of it and accused them of falsw advertising because the game isnt fully playable as on pc or console. Then there are issues when zos updates the game and Shield does get the update for several days and is unplayable because you cant log in without the updated client. No thanks. Shield is not functional .
I concur. I own both Nvidia Shield (which I love for other reasons) and Stadia, along . with being a Steam user on my PC. When it comes to game streaming they are not even close. Everything on Nvidia is a pain to set up and get started and then only works some of the time. I think Tomb Raider was the only thing I got working to the point of playing it often enough.
Stadia, however, just works. Pick up the controller, press a few buttons and boom you're killin' stuff. Very very happy with Stadia and can't wait for ESO to come to it. I love the idea of cross play with PC too.
Are you playing on the controller wired or wirelessly? I heard there were issues with it spinning wildly out of control while wireless. did you find that to be true?I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »Spending 200$ o a premiere edition and an extra controller seems steep just to try it. Esp since i'll have to buy ESO over again. BUT they are supposed to be using their own servers.
Kinda kills the need for things like steam and epic and other online services.
What say you?
If you want to use a controller and stay on steam get the Nvidia shield.
Horrible idea. Nvidia Shield uses an overlay that occupies several buttons and prevents you from doing necessary things like resing players and pulling up maps and something else... I returned my Shield TV because of it and accused them of falsw advertising because the game isnt fully playable as on pc or console. Then there are issues when zos updates the game and Shield does get the update for several days and is unplayable because you cant log in without the updated client. No thanks. Shield is not functional .
I concur. I own both Nvidia Shield (which I love for other reasons) and Stadia, along . with being a Steam user on my PC. When it comes to game streaming they are not even close. Everything on Nvidia is a pain to set up and get started and then only works some of the time. I think Tomb Raider was the only thing I got working to the point of playing it often enough.
Stadia, however, just works. Pick up the controller, press a few buttons and boom you're killin' stuff. Very very happy with Stadia and can't wait for ESO to come to it. I love the idea of cross play with PC too.
Lol....
What "idea of cross play with pc" ? That *** was an absolute unquestionable mandate for the game to even be considered on Google's platform... or did you think there would be enough eso players on stadia alone to sustain itself on it?
And no, stadia does not just "work".Edited by exeeter702 on January 20, 2020 5:01PM0 -
BobGohdSoul Shriventhesoundofwolf wrote: »maybe I'm just an old person yelling at a cloud, (get it, stadia is a cloud based gaming?)
But
I feel like I should own my games, incase anything were to ever happen.
Even the digital licensing, sometimes I face issues.
Take for example, after EA took Dragon Age Origins off Steam, and then went over to Origin with it.
I now no longer have DA:O because it magically deleted my licence, and if I want to play the game I will need to pay for it, again, despite owning it on disk for Xbox and the digital licence I legally purchased on steam. (trust me I've had several tickets with both steam and EA about this, and no one is doing anything to help me anymore it seems).
So no, Stadia is the worst idea for gaming, for gaming consumers. There have been several other streaming-gaming sevices before, most not that big or doing very well, and it's a trend I hope that doesn't take off. Else we will face a game-stream bubble much like how tv-streaming (IE netflix, major networks, prime, hbo, ect...)
Do not like.
Exactly, i prefer physical disks as well. No one really realizes that Microsoft, Sony etc can revoke your digital licenses without cause at any time, so in the end you wasted all that money buying them.
Or, you house could burn down, and you'd lose all your disks. I wonder which is more likely? Every thing has its pros and cons.0