Remove stun from streak.

Helgi_Skotina · January 2020

BlueRaven wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.

When someone asked about a separate pve server for cyrodiil you replied;

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Nope. We need targets to gank.

So in response to your request for the removal of stun in streak, my reply is;

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Nope. We need targets to gank.

Nope. Ppl who fught fair hould allways have the disadvantade. Its realistic. It would make no sense to play unfair if a fair fight will be profitable.

Shaloknir · January 2020

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.

Streak is fine. Every class has powerful skills at their disposal.

Sanguinor2 · January 2020

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Nope. Ppl who fught fair hould allways have the disadvantade. Its realistic. It would make no sense to play unfair if a fair fight will be profitable.

But the stun from streak is unfair to you so it should be realistic that streak stuns shouldnt it?

Joy_Division · January 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

i agree streak should not stun magsorc already has so many options for CC unblockable aoe stun with big range rly unnecessary

to name a few options - vamp drain, rune cage, flame clench, crystal blast, does sorc really need 5th hard CC in its kit? i dont think so

LOL.

Cirantille · January 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

i agree streak should not stun magsorc already has so many options for CC unblockable aoe stun with big range rly unnecessary

to name a few options - vamp drain, rune cage, flame clench, crystal blast, does sorc really need 5th hard CC in its kit? i dont think so

Vamp drain and flame clench are not sorc class abilities, they are available to every magicka class/vampires.

We don't have to be ghastly looking undead btw.

Also clench does not stun but knocks back (also you need to be quite close to enemy, which is not ideal for a class lacking dependable heal)

I'd lol to anyone trying to use Crystal blast in PvP tbh. It has cast time and easily interruptable. Not as good as frags.

Rune cage is ok, eh, but ok to use.

flame clench is not sorc class ablitiy yet before range nerf everyone was spamming this *** for good 4 years SMH my head

Great example of why you shouldn't nerf things, because they will be replaced by others and people will cri about those too

ketsparrowhawk · January 2020

Just make it blockable again. I'm tired of eating Meteors with zero counterplay options besides run away and hope the streak can't reach you.

But removing the stun would be silly. Unless your goal is to *** off every PvP Sorc player.. in which case it's a great idea!

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

Lol, no. I don't even Sorc and I don't want this

Fur_like_snow · January 2020

I built my stam sorc specifically to hunt down cloak blades. My advice is to make your movement less predictable and always have a shade down ready to go. Good NBs know how to reset a fight bad ones run in a straight line and crutch on cloak. L2P

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

i agree streak should not stun magsorc already has so many options for CC unblockable aoe stun with big range rly unnecessary

to name a few options - vamp drain, rune cage, flame clench, crystal blast, does sorc really need 5th hard CC in its kit? i dont think so

Vamp drain is the only relevant stun you have mentioned, and we are now nerfing classes based on vampire skills? K.

Alienoutlaw · January 2020

i posted this on the other thread OP made but is still relevant here

OP,

the over powered skill's and class's are simply a result of players (some not all) playing many class's and races, they do this for a couple of main reasons 1) diversity of game play 2) to gain an understanding of how a class works.
each class in PvP and PvE add's something different to a group be it Dps or utility, as for (2) players who have an understanding of how different class's work also understand how their rotations work, with that knowledge comes the ability to be 1 or 2 steps ahead of an unskilled player, for example knowing 9 times out of 10 if X is cast Y or Z will follow, a skilled player can also spot which sets you are running and counter accordingly, notice i have not mentioned skills or specific class? this is all down to the player and their experience, skills/ sets are secondary to that and can never replace that either, when someone says "its a l2p issue" its not an insult or a flame comment its simply a nod to the fact you (generic not specific) maybe lack certain insights and experience, expectations gleaned from theory are often overshadowed by the reality that we are not scripted NPC's we adapt and learn with every encounter, a sorc, DK,templar,NB or necro are not out of the box OP, the player behind them makes a character easy or hard to kill, the skills and sets are just a fraction of any build.

so before you call for another nerf consider which part of your build is not working as intended first.

NordSwordnBoard · January 2020

Hearken to the days of yore, when I used the Breaking Ball CC (Lightning Reach) because it was less obvious than the Ring of Fire.
Lo, do I remember my forefathers switching to Overload 3rd bar to put on an undodgeable defensive rune and throw down 5 mines.
Wherefore art thou still a stun, dear streak?

For your remainders are a single man sentenced to prison if he not dodgeth, or a channeled shardstorm favored by squires. Thou may still stun with thine monkey pulse! Fear not though, for my stun is eternal. They may make block the stun's bane again, but as others have sworn - the nerf mavens will still be farmed, as that is the best fit for the peasantry. Streak has Spoken. (If invoked again within 4 seconds, each invocation will stack in cost)

Gatdangmayne · January 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

@D3N7157

Tbh i hate magsorc usually, but had a craving to play one so i setup my orc with pelinals - so yeah, i am on an aoe build.

Sorry i don't run the same 10 skills everyone else does on -insert spec here-.

orc with pelinals? man not even a build

Lol okay how's your alcast/xynode/youtube build workin out?

Smh i wish you were ps4na so i could clap dem nubass booty cheeks with my not a build build

It's still a work in progress (been using BoL not streak, btw) but i put the specifics in my theorycraft thread, if you wanna go look and tell me how bad it is

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/498730/lets-talk-theorycrafting-lemme-hear-about-your-most-successful-off-meta-builds#latest

cyclonus11 · January 2020

No. Instead, put all previously removed stuns, snares, and knockbacks back into the game.

Stebarnz · January 2020

Always tickles me when NB's moan about stuff.

Just write, 'i cant play my class'.

NBrookus · January 2020

Rune Cage is avoidable, as it should be with that kind of range. Streak is much stronger but requires risk and has an escalating cost. It's fine.

iCaliban · January 2020

jadarock wrote: »

Streak probably should be blockable though

No it really shouldn't be. Streak is the only stun in the game that leaves you in a worse position after using it. It is also difficult to follow up on to continue damaging an enemy.

Calling streak Op and not complaining about toppling charge is ridiculous

jecks33 · January 2020

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

yea! more nerfs!

just nerf everything until we're all just light attacking each other.

a lot of people in this forum asked for LA nerf because they do too much damage

SpacemanSpiff1 · January 2020

jecks33 wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

yea! more nerfs!

just nerf everything until we're all just light attacking each other.

a lot of people in this forum asked for LA nerf because they do too much damage

maybe we just hop around.

oh wait, some want jumping nerfed too.

jadarock · January 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Streak probably should be blockable though

No it really shouldn't be. Streak is the only stun in the game that leaves you in a worse position after using it. It is also difficult to follow up on to continue damaging an enemy.

Calling streak Op and not complaining about toppling charge is ridiculous

I'm not the op I'd like to point that out and I said probably hoping for an honest discussion. All these undodgeable unblockable skills are not fun imo.
Secondly sorcs burst is delayed so it's ok to have a stun that there's zero counter to? Line up that delayed burst on any non tanky build and its gg considering it's all going to land at the same time unless I have a pot up and that's skillful play?? Idk

jadarock · January 2020

I mean you can block ultis but cant block streak hmmm?

This is on top of you being able to kite me and range me down.

I've been slowly leveling a magsorc in the diil this week by the way 😉

Deathlord92 · January 2020

I don’t think sorc should be nerfed but I do think streak should be blockable that would be fair imo.

D3N7157 · January 2020

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

@D3N7157

Tbh i hate magsorc usually, but had a craving to play one so i setup my orc with pelinals - so yeah, i am on an aoe build.

Sorry i don't run the same 10 skills everyone else does on -insert spec here-.

orc with pelinals? man not even a build

Lol okay how's your alcast/xynode/youtube build workin out?

Smh i wish you were ps4na so i could clap dem nubass booty cheeks with my not a build build

It's still a work in progress (been using BoL not streak, btw) but i put the specifics in my theorycraft thread, if you wanna go look and tell me how bad it is

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/498730/lets-talk-theorycrafting-lemme-hear-about-your-most-successful-off-meta-builds#latest

yea im not surprised you play on console, maybe silly builds like these have a place there, on PC EU you build with pelinials would be dead in 30 sec agains 2 average players/ 3 utter zerglings

Dojohoda · January 2020

I think it is odd that the team removed counter play from it. It's freaking annoying but whatever, it's also predictable. My Magblade can outmaneuver streak spamming weiners any day assuming I don't fall asleep at the keyboard because pvp is so boring now.

Gatdangmayne · January 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

yea im not surprised you play on console, maybe silly builds like these have a place there, on PC EU you build with pelinials would be dead in 30 sec agains 2 average players/ 3 utter zerglings

Yet here you are whining for nerfs, and here i am in yet another nerf thread telling people its a l2p issue.

Edited so my comment doesn't get removed lol.

Instead ill simply ask, what do you main, and what sets do you use or your average stats?

Helgi_Skotina · January 2020

Karmanorway wrote: »

Im stamsorc, i usually never use streak. But i reslot the skill when im dealing with a NB that shades away and cloaks away like a coward. So sure remove the stun, If u remove NB stun from Stealth them. we have a deal😏

The same answer - fight fair and

Noxavian wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.

stop asking for nerfs jesus christ

why not?

VaxtinTheWolf · January 2020

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Shield run and Focused charge stun aswell. Im not a sorc but pls stop asking for nerfs of functionality of skills. My wings still hurt.

You mean the nubs of what used to be your wings are still hurting.

jadarock · January 2020

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Shield run and Focused charge stun aswell. Im not a sorc but pls stop asking for nerfs of functionality of skills. My wings still hurt.

You mean the nubs of what used to be your wings are still hurting.

Still a little tender maybe.....
I mean you all got your wish you can pew pew my melee magdk from 30meters away all day long now . I try to turn the tables begin to pressure you and you streak stun me over and over or run away reset and try time that unblockable burst on me.

xxthir13enxx · January 2020

Ok...Ok...Ok....
Let’s just cut to the end...
Let’s just cut out All the Skills...
We’ll just use the Various weapons to attack
No class skills
No weapon skills
Just swing/fire/shoot
The end...No More Nerfs

1day later...
Destro Staff is to OP!!! Why should a Fire Staff do more damage than a 2hd swd!?!? Destro just burns your skin... 2hd cleaves it!!!! Nerf Destro Staff!!!!

Sigh....

Noxavian · January 2020

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Im stamsorc, i usually never use streak. But i reslot the skill when im dealing with a NB that shades away and cloaks away like a coward. So sure remove the stun, If u remove NB stun from Stealth them. we have a deal😏

The same answer - fight fair and

Noxavian wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.

stop asking for nerfs jesus christ

why not?

Because there's a little thing called flavor. It makes sense to be stunned after literally having a dude running through you at the speed of lightning. Also just because *you* have an issue with it, doesn't mean it's broken. Who would of thunk it.

If anything, my friend, things deserved to be buffed, not nerfed. Pretty sure everyone is tired of abilities being randomly nerfed because random people on the forums are complaining again.

jadarock · January 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Im stamsorc, i usually never use streak. But i reslot the skill when im dealing with a NB that shades away and cloaks away like a coward. So sure remove the stun, If u remove NB stun from Stealth them. we have a deal😏

The same answer - fight fair and

Noxavian wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.

stop asking for nerfs jesus christ

why not?

Because there's a little thing called flavor. It makes sense to be stunned after literally having a dude running through you at the speed of lightning. Also just because *you* have an issue with it, doesn't mean it's broken. Who would of thunk it.

If anything, my friend, things deserved to be buffed, not nerfed. Pretty sure everyone is tired of abilities being randomly nerfed because random people on the forums are complaining again.

I agree in premise but dev's buffing things like streak and dizzy that are then abused with little to no counter play is bad design and not fun. Surely you can see both sides of this argument right??