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Remove stun from streak.
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barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Does this fall into the ' I Can't Beat Them, So Nerf Them ' file?
Just Curious
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Please no, I as Stamsorc already lost every stun...at least let me have the Streak one.PC|EU3 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, stop with these nerfs threads. Other classes need to be buffed up to sorc and templar level. You need to learn to fight a sorc, it's trial and error and sometimes you might have to put abilities you don't commonly use on your bar just to fight one but nerfing is NEVER the answer.2 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.2 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.
That's why you buff/fix that class, not bring other balanced classes down.0 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭Nightblades have an advantage over one inconsistently sized group: Players worse than the person controlling the nightblade.0 -
SpacemanSpiff1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭barney2525 wrote: »Does this fall into the ' I Can't Beat Them, So Nerf Them ' file?
Just Curious
one of the files. inside one of the cabinets, inside the "I Can't Beat Them, So Nerf Them" warehouse.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Thank you, (and I agree) but that didn't answer my question. The person I was replying to said: "Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be."OtarTheMad wrote: »Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.
That's why you buff/fix that class, not bring other balanced classes down.
I wanted to hear specifically what that person thinks the advantages of being a NB are, aside from maybe running away from a fight more efficiently.____________________________________
Yeah, sorry, that's simply not true right now. (Well, for magblades specifically — it's been a while since I played stam.) Pretty much every class has a hard counter to magblades right now, with the inverse not being even close to true. If you're on a magblade & you come up against a player of equal ability on a DK/Templar/Sorc/Warden, that player is going to curb stomp you unless you get lucky. And this is true regardless as to your ability — everything else being equal, nightblades are just a weaker class right now.Gatdangmayne wrote: »Nightblades have an advantage over one inconsistently sized group: Players worse than the person controlling the nightblade.Edited by Langeston on January 7, 2020 10:57PM0 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭No and the whole anti stun, immobilization and snare campaign should end already. There are sets, skills, passives, potions and Cp allocations that help against those things.5 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭Skill ceiling class ranking: (how gud can you git on your class?)
1. Nightblade
2.
3a. Sorc
3b. Templar warden dk necro
Skill floor class ranking: (how gud can your class be for you?)
1. MagSorc
2. Templar stamden stamdk stamcro
3. Stamblade magden stamsorc
4. Magcro
5. Magblade
Skill floor class ranking, for most of eso's life besides the last year or so
1. Stamblade, magsorc
2. Magblade Stamsorc templar dk warden
Edited by Gatdangmayne on January 7, 2020 11:45PM5 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1. Either streak, or his shields have to be nerfed.
Also idk what sorcs you're fighting but a few patches ago they were unkillable, now I don't fear fighting a sorc at all.0 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭Let's make this a buff thread, no more nerfs.
Zos buff destro staff skills plz. All stam weapons have at least one useful skill, 9/10 i don't slot any destro skills though.0 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.
That's why you buff/fix that class, not bring other balanced classes down.
So instead of adjusting the skill they(zos) just broke by removing the available counterplay
They should now audit every single other class and or skill to match ???
That's akin to doing a tune up on your car having one of the coils you just installed being defective and instead of replacing the coil you rebuild the engine from the ground up??? No and wtf?
On top of that you guys
(not you specifically) want them monkeying around with that much code everytime they touch a skill??? Smh
No and no removing counterplay from skills is absolutely absurd . We need more counterplay not less imhoEdited by jadarock on January 7, 2020 11:58PM0 -
Gaggin✭✭✭✭OP you aware that streak was nerfed right? You have to kinda aim it now, its not an auto stun.0
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am sincerely amazed at the unfathomable, ever different, ever ingenuous new ways people manage to find to ask for a sorc nerf.
When ESO will be 1 century old, we'll have had 1 century of 1-2 different nerf sorc threads for every day, in every week, in every month, in every year, in every decade, for the whole century.Edited by Vahrokh on January 8, 2020 12:31AMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lord_Hypnos wrote: »No it's the only pure shock damage stun attached to a skill left in the game. Make it blockable again sure, but don't destroy the skill completely.
Also damage shields have already been nerfed. Just deal a decent amount of pressure to counter any damage shield user. Eventually they will fall.
You mean like they did with 2h Dizzying swing and with Several DK skills like Wings etc?
Stop crying about broken ass dizzy swing nerf.
It was broken af vs stand your ground opponents!
Now it's just broekn af.0 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Hypnos wrote: »No it's the only pure shock damage stun attached to a skill left in the game. Make it blockable again sure, but don't destroy the skill completely.
Also damage shields have already been nerfed. Just deal a decent amount of pressure to counter any damage shield user. Eventually they will fall.
You mean like they did with 2h Dizzying swing and with Several DK skills like Wings etc?
Stop crying about broken ass dizzy swing nerf.
It was broken af vs stand your ground opponents!
Now it's just broekn af.
Why because it's not the the bis for every stam kit now?
You all act like it's not prevalent and or you cant use the skill in cyrodiil gimmie a break....
You dont play small scale or heal in cyrodiil very often do you?
Two people spamming dizzy and you were essentially perma stunned and or desynced. Not to mention if you landed one another was guaranteed I know this because I played a tanky necro healer who ran around solo or surfed.
Having had people follow me across the map spamming it even in pre nerf fort brass and steadfast hero it was absurd to deal with. Please stop with this dizzy nonsense.
Removing the ability to counter an opponent in this game ?
Reminding you streak WAS blockable
Smh I dont understand this thinking.
Nobody that's actually competitive should like this style of play .
We should have to single target people down and if they dont block heal roll or whatever when the specific situation calls for it then the opponent should gain the upper hand and possibly defeat you.
Not lazy unblockable undodgeable aoe meta raise the floor lower the ceiling play /rant
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gatdangmayne wrote: »Skill ceiling class ranking: (how gud can you git on your class?)
1. Nightblade
2.
3a. Sorc
3b. Templar warden dk necro
Skill floor class ranking: (how gud can your class be for you?)
1. MagSorc
2. Templar stamden stamdk stamcro
3. Stamblade magden stamsorc
4. Magcro
5. Magblade
Skill floor class ranking, for most of eso's life besides the last year or so
1. Stamblade, magsorc
2. Magblade Stamsorc templar dk warden
Your lists are a few patches out of date.0 -
provkinse✭✭Remove invisible from NB, remove leap from DK, remove permafrost and polar wind from warden and so on... all classes have hate things O_O
I think we should deal with it.3 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I don’t think sorc should be nerfed but I do think streak should be blockable that would be fair imo.
i think that DK stun also should be blockable .. but isnt!
and i think some ppl should spend some time and read b4 speak
Edited by Curious_Death on January 8, 2020 8:45AM3 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am yet to see a nerf thread created by some well-known experienced player. Because 100% of nerf threads are created by some random "this kills me, so nerf it" scrub.Edited by Olupajmibanan on January 8, 2020 8:46AM8 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭
NB has cloak and Shadow image if you use properli you have best escape option much better then sorc. You have 100% garantem crit . Decend debuffs. The problem is not in Nb but tank setups are to overpower on this patch and nb is generally worst pick class for tank setup.Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.2 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.
If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.
What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.
That's why you buff/fix that class, not bring other balanced classes down.
So instead of adjusting the skill they(zos) just broke by removing the available counterplay
They should now audit every single other class and or skill to match ???
That's akin to doing a tune up on your car having one of the coils you just installed being defective and instead of replacing the coil you rebuild the engine from the ground up??? No and wtf?
On top of that you guys
(not you specifically) want them monkeying around with that much code everytime they touch a skill??? Smh
No and no removing counterplay from skills is absolutely absurd . We need more counterplay not less imho
No, not what I meant, I was simplifying a bigger point. Btw, that's what ZOS is doing. We are in the middle of a class audit that I think started with update 23. I would prefer them to finish the combat changes they have before looking to "nerf" anything. I mean just a little while ago NBs were on top but nerf threads and whiners got them knocked down... some skills aren't working right cause of changes, some are now pointless so that tells me ZOS might look at them in the future. But in the mean time Templars got very strong and Sorcs got a bit of a bump. Okay so now instead of Sorcs and Templars competing with NBs and having three very strong classes we have only two. Wardens are very good now, so are DKs (got nerfed a bit but still strong). Nbs are behind them and then Necros last. I see Sorcs and Templars as almost balanced... like... don't touch them in a major way, maybe just polish a few things. Work on Necro and NBs, get them to Warden and DK level. Then you'd have 6 strong classes that might just need some polishing and very minor adjustments going forward.
It's a cycle that keeps repeating. IDK if this makes sense to anyone else but it does to me but then again it's very late by me lol.
Right now I feel like ZOS is not finishing their vision for the combat system before veering off course and changing things. That can just mess things up, especially in this system where you do these big combat changes over multiple DLC's.0 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭i agree streak should not stun magsorc already has so many options for CC unblockable aoe stun with big range rly unnecessary
to name a few options - vamp drain, rune cage, flame clench, crystal blast, does sorc really need 5th hard CC in its kit? i dont think so
Vamp Drain is already next on the chopping block, given the amount of crying about it.
Rune Cage is too telegraphed at a distance, and has the same counter as every other ranged Sorc skill, making it too easy to counter, too unreliable.
Flame Clench range was nerfed, making it nearly pointless as a ranged stun.
Crystal Blast has a long ass cast time, without the punch of something like old Dizzy to justify it.
The only good stun you've listed is Vamp Drain, and, as I said, it's already next on the chopping block. The rest are laughable at best, useless at worst. Streak can keep its stun, because it's the only good stun alongside Vamp Drain available to Sorc, now.nerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegannerf steaks, eat vegan
^Accurate
(edited for clarity)
Thanks for adding nothing of substance to the thread.....
You both should get a warning for purposely derailing threads
Implying the thread had something of substance to begin with.Remove invisible from NB, remove leap from DK, remove permafrost and polar wind from warden and so on... all classes have hate things O_O
I think we should deal with it.
Next up would be Grim Focus from NB, Fossilize from DK, and Sub Assault from Warden.2 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭srsly sorc is already hard to kill in 1vs1, but when he stuns, reveals your cloak and changes postition at the same time is OOP. Even if a sorc has no huge damage and you sucessfully avoid being killled, you still can't kill him 1vs1.
There was an EP magblade who tried to gank my magsorc 3 times in IC just that day...
I indeed have no huge damage, and I was actually surprised that he didn't whisper me afterwards, especially after his second fail - to ask me how I predicted his interesting hiding tactic and found him when he already felt safe. Streak was not involved in chasing and revealing him in that hiding place 
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BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A Streak escape is much easier to handle than a Cloak escape.
For parity, Cloak also should get a cost penalty.
Edited by BalticBlues on January 8, 2020 1:13PM4 -
JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭how about instead, stam players get over themselves, and stop asking for nerfs because you can't kill everything with one hit. jeez [snip]
[edited for profanity & Baiting]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on January 8, 2020 5:14PM3 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I don’t think sorc should be nerfed but I do think streak should be blockable that would be fair imo.
its stupid not fair. why would a ranged class jump right into melee fight then? they nerfed bol already1 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I don’t think sorc should be nerfed but I do think streak should be blockable that would be fair imo.
its stupid not fair. why would a ranged class jump right into melee fight then? they nerfed bol already
I dont have problem to make streak blockabke seriosly 95% will not be able to block it, if they make it blockable sorc need Buff sheild at least by 10% or remove cost increase on streak, then why not make it blockable0