I know some people have said that helping Tharayya prevents them from getting a shield. Honestly, I'm not sure this is correct. We typically ignore her. But we did one run where we healed her for the achievement. We didn't notice a difference. Maybe we just weren't paying enough attention. *shrug*

In any case, we always stack the clones on this fight, just for the sake of speeding things up and reducing the tedium. It allows us to nuke them with AoE and makes ultis like meteor more effective. And I expect this strategy could also help groups that have low DPS.

Option 1 is for the tank to taunt all four and then go into the corner on top of the coin pile to the right of the entrance door. If the tank jams him/herself as far into that corner as they can go, the clones should stack up well enough for AoE. The upside of this method is that it's easy and fast. The downside is that the stack isn't that reliable, and there will often be a clone or two who don't stack up really well.

Option 2 is to stack them in the center of the room, one at a time. Taunt one, run in the opposite direction until they reach the center, rinse and repeat for all of them. The upside of this method is that the stack is more reliable. The downside is that it's slower and requires a lot more movement and work. The tank has to be pretty fast. Alternatively, you can have the healer slot a taunt and help the tank stack.

robpr wrote: »

So, I did vDoM with 'core' group in my guild just to walk through it and get the skin. We cheesed through all with minimal amounts of deaths due to overal high group dps - even templar healer damage was above 30k keeping us alive just with springs or BoL. On King Narilmor boss fight, we ignored Tharayya and just focused real boss killing just one clone.
Because whole dungeon seemed not so hard, I went there with slightly weaker group. Not much issues, but King Narilmor was like hit with a wall and we had to quit.

Any tips to beat that guy if dps is lower? If we ignore Tharayya, clones are up the moment all of them are down - almost no damage on main boss. If healer will try to keep Tharayya alive, she can't focus on us and those fire stuns are brutal. If we focus on main boss only, boss will spawn like 8 clones and it's over.
Please advice

I know exactly what you mean and the trick is to find the "correct" copy and dps only that one. No need to stack or move them. YOu can perfectly have your tank stay in dead center while taunting all 4 and dealing with all the aoe and dmge. If he's good he can even use crushing stock on top of that to prevent some of their specials.

Dps can just go attack and 'test' each copy clockwise until they find the 'correct' one which will drop health boss. Extra copies will dissapear.

Since the tank at center absorbs all blows while dancing to avoid the aoe the healer should have no problem healing both Tharayya and whatever dmge still reaches dps so that dps can focus 100% on running their square movement box (clockwise from copy to copy)

go again and watch the boss' healthbar closely as your duo of 2 dps 'tries' out each copy to find out if it's the 'correct' one or not. Once you get it and see the difference with your own eyes you'll come back here and have a good laugh

Good luck and have fun !

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

So, I did vDoM with 'core' group in my guild just to walk through it and get the skin. We cheesed through all with minimal amounts of deaths due to overal high group dps - even templar healer damage was above 30k keeping us alive just with springs or BoL. On King Narilmor boss fight, we ignored Tharayya and just focused real boss killing just one clone.
Because whole dungeon seemed not so hard, I went there with slightly weaker group. Not much issues, but King Narilmor was like hit with a wall and we had to quit.

Any tips to beat that guy if dps is lower? If we ignore Tharayya, clones are up the moment all of them are down - almost no damage on main boss. If healer will try to keep Tharayya alive, she can't focus on us and those fire stuns are brutal. If we focus on main boss only, boss will spawn like 8 clones and it's over.
Please advice

I know exactly what you mean and the trick is to find the "correct" copy and dps only that one. No need to stack or move them. YOu can perfectly have your tank stay in dead center while taunting all 4 and dealing with all the aoe and dmge. If he's good he can even use crushing stock on top of that to prevent some of their specials.

Dps can just go attack and 'test' each copy clockwise until they find the 'correct' one which will drop health boss. Extra copies will dissapear.

Since the tank at center absorbs all blows while dancing to avoid the aoe the healer should have no problem healing both Tharayya and whatever dmge still reaches dps so that dps can focus 100% on running their square movement box (clockwise from copy to copy)

go again and watch the boss' healthbar closely as your duo of 2 dps 'tries' out each copy to find out if it's the 'correct' one or not. Once you get it and see the difference with your own eyes you'll come back here and have a good laugh

Good luck and have fun !

We noticed that placing ele drain on real before it splits makes it stay on real one. If refreshed, we always know where real is. We tried to get rid of the copies first, but he splits the moment last clone dies, without any window to damage real one. If ignored, he multiples the copies.

So we should bother with the clones or not?

From my experience and my understanding after my runs of the vet version.

Boss splits.
All clones and boss have a shield.
Clones disappear when their shield drop.
Boss splits when all the clones are down.
Boss summons new clones regularly anyway if there are clones left.
If Tharayya loses her fight against the ghost, all enemies get an extra shield.

So basically you need to:
Try and find the enemy that doesn't disappear when his shield goes to 0.
Focus him.
Never kill all the clones.
Deal with the extra clones sometimes in order not to get overwhelmed.
Make sure to heal Tharayya so the clones don't get a shield.

robpr wrote: »

Any tips to beat that guy if dps is lower? If we ignore Tharayya, clones are up the moment all of them are down - almost no damage on main boss. If healer will try to keep Tharayya alive, she can't focus on us and those fire stuns are brutal. If we focus on main boss only, boss will spawn like 8 clones and it's over.
Please advice

So, we have done it today with a group with lower dps (I am one of the dps-chars). After a few deaths we killed him and I would recommend the following: interrupt them. Interrupt all of them and damage all of them. Especially interrupt them when they appear. I was spamming Crushing Shock, changing the target every time (on top of that light attacks and ultas - I am using Shooting Star).

Thanks for all replies, we did it last week.
In half of the fight, Tharaya bugged out and refused to combat her husband, but marking real one with ele drain, killing 2 clones and keeping one alive then switching to the real king while occasionally sending a Crushing Bitchslap to the clone to have fewer mechanics worked.

It's thread from March and we did it already, but stacking in the corner is the most viable strategy. Back then we kept one clone alive and just tickle the boss to death.

DLM wrote: »

they want you to lose the boss. And if they want you to lose him, that's because he is the only one that matters.

Well, this seems to be logical. We'll give it a try again. The rest of the dungeon up to this point wasn't frustratingly difficult at all. It dodn't feel like our dps was low. We wiped once or twice learning the previous bosses and with our first encounter with the watchers until we realised they needed focussing. I think we were just tired and there is so much conflicting advice on this dungeon that we really didn't have any direction. As a healer I can't believe how much healing Tharayya takes. They say one or two springs and combat prayer. I empty my heals into her exclusively and neglect the group to keep her healed. Ah well, we'll see how it goes.

all advices here like "out tank, our x, our Y, then we burn him" are for pretty strong premades... so kinda meh for you )
With low DPS you will be outnumbered by clones.

Nothing can help other than doing more damage. This boss is lazy DPS check on vet mod, like tree boss in vLoM and first dragon there too (dealing with ton of stranglers).

ccfeeling wrote: »

Before patch , tank is possible to taunt all targets and stay at corner , all they move to tank , dps and healer are easy to control the fight , hold and burn .

After patch , all clones lose control , they may follow tank , but it takes very long time , there are 7-8 clones in the same room ,
I don't think the tank could taunt all of them each 15 seconds
lighting aoe , ice pillar , Radiant Destruction ...
Roll dodge , bash could say your lifes and this fight burn your stam , this boss is PUG killer .

Thats how I did it the first time. The other times i've run it have not been that rough tbh.

Taunt the 4 bosses, go into a corner, they will stack on a line, go to the next corner and they will stack in the same spot, then they die to aoe

AndyMac wrote: »

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

Last question. Again what is the minimum dps required? If we had a target we could work towards it.

You need at least 30k for vet DLCs, imo. Preferably a whole lot higher lol.

As with this fight, if damage is too low, you’ll run into serious problems.

When I have pugged this dungeon, this is where DPS get kicked.

Agreed, dps should be aiming for that consistent 30k minimum, each for vet dlc dungeons, preferably much higher. Ideally each dps will be pulling 40k + and the healer will add 10-20k.