@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Happy Thanksgiving, ZOS!

Any news to share on ESO's year-long Champion Point System freeze?
Any news on where there will be news?

It sure would be nice to see players receive their missing 120 Champion Points since Q4 2018.
CP 810 (Q4 2018) > 840 (Q1 2019) > 870 (Q2 2019) > 900 (Q3 2019) > 930 (Q4 2019).

It has been shown, time and time again, that new, over-tuned P2W set-gear locked behind every newly released DLC as well as combat ability buffs & nerfs have greatly effected 'power-creep' and vertical progression far more than tiny +1%s in Champion Point jump-points category passives.
At CP 1,100+, on multiple accounts, ESO is getting very, very stale.
It has been well over an entire year, now, since The Great Freeze.

When can players expect to see and enjoy the return/revamp of the Champion Point System?

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Happy Thanksgiving, ZOS!

Any news to share on ESO's year-long Champion Point System freeze?
Any news on where there will be news?

It sure would be nice to see players receive their missing 120 Champion Points since Q4 2018.
CP 810 (Q4 2018) > 840 (Q1 2019) > 870 (Q2 2019) > 900 (Q3 2019) > 930 (Q4 2019).

It has been shown, time and time again, that new, over-tuned P2W set-gear locked behind every newly released DLC as well as combat ability buffs & nerfs have greatly effected 'power-creep' and vertical progression far more than tiny +1%s in Champion Point jump-points category passives.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-championpoints-jumppoints/

At CP 1,100+, on multiple accounts, ESO is getting very, very stale.
It has been well over an entire year, now, since The Great Freeze.

When can players expect to see and enjoy the return/revamp of the Champion Point System?

There won't be any update till next year. I think it was Wheeler or Rich that posted something about mood wanting to do the CP rework until the skill audit had been gone through.

Gina posted it as part of a Q&A, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490953/u23-combat-q-a

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

When do you expect to start reworking/auditing the Champion Point system?
We’re actually working on it internally right now, but in terms of when we’re going to get something out publicly, that’s not anytime soon.

This was posted on August 24th, 2019.
Today is November 28th, 2019.

3 full months is plenty of time for a news update.
Even if the news is that there is still no news...

Huh an Update would be nice ^^
I mean... They may have pushed the whole cp rework aside because they had to repair the servers first.
Or they simply forgot about it. ^^

idk wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Keburisu wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Got to love people who think CP is the largest culprit to power creep and un-balance.....just lmao

It is stunningly clueless. I have no intentions of dumping anymore money or continuing my subscription for a game that offers no growth.

Gear sets are just a hamster wheel where we chase the nerf carrot.

But isn't CP the hamster wheel for people who constantly need to see +1 +1 +1 +1s everywhere to be engaged with the game?

People do generally need to see some sort of vertical progression in a game to continue to be engaged, yes.

Not really.

Granted, some people might need to regardless of how meaningless it is, and 30 CP has little meaning. However, most people are more into the game itself. They enjoy the game and playing the game with friends. We have not missed much since CP was frozen.

Edit: Zos has given us an update on CP since they froze it. I expect they will give us another update when they have something to day. I’d rather they do it right than rush it.

Honestly, whatever Champion Point re-work that ZOS proposes, regardless if it is simply changing a few numbers and moving some CP passives around or if it is a new system entirely -- either way, it should not have taken an entire full year to develop and implement it. (And I doubt many players will be surprised when we finally see the new CP progression system/version).

It has already been a full year and there has been no news on whether the Champion Point system in general will remain intact (with some stats/passives/categories changed or removed and replaced) or an entirely new progress system.

The most active & most knowledgeable ESO players (regular & hardcore PvP & PvE players, ESO class-reps, ESO streamers, ESO guild leaders, etc.) could have collectively redesigned & revamped the Champion Point system in a few hours or a few days. ZOS takes over a full year. How depressing and embarrassing. That's all I'm saying. Lol.

I am so eager to see what ZOS announces in 2020, I can hardly wait...

Please don’t increase the Champion Point cap ZOS. Power creep was getting insane and I’m so close to 810 now, it was really disheartening to see the goalpost moved every patch.

I still say they should unlock the whole system and level the game to max CP's. Use Battle Spirit to buff players who aren't max out in CP's. This will allow some character progression between DCL drops and updates.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Does this mean that ESO Is pumping out content with no intentions of actually doing the fixes they them selves annouced long ago. I see Chapter from chapter being put in the forefront, with everything else being stalled.

idk wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Keburisu wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Got to love people who think CP is the largest culprit to power creep and un-balance.....just lmao

It is stunningly clueless. I have no intentions of dumping anymore money or continuing my subscription for a game that offers no growth.

Gear sets are just a hamster wheel where we chase the nerf carrot.

But isn't CP the hamster wheel for people who constantly need to see +1 +1 +1 +1s everywhere to be engaged with the game?

People do generally need to see some sort of vertical progression in a game to continue to be engaged, yes.

Not really.

Granted, some people might need to regardless of how meaningless it is, and 30 CP has little meaning. However, most people are more into the game itself. They enjoy the game and playing the game with friends. We have not missed much since CP was frozen.

Edit: Zos has given us an update on CP since they froze it. I expect they will give us another update when they have something to day. I’d rather they do it right than rush it.

Honestly, whatever Champion Point re-work that ZOS proposes, regardless if it is simply changing a few numbers and moving some CP passives around or if it is a new system entirely -- either way, it should not have taken an entire full year to develop and implement it. (And I doubt many players will be surprised when we finally see the new CP progression system/version).

It has already been a full year and there has been no news on whether the Champion Point system in general will remain intact (with some stats/passives/categories changed or removed and replaced) or an entirely new progress system.

The most active & most knowledgeable ESO players (regular & hardcore PvP & PvE players, ESO class-reps, ESO streamers, ESO guild leaders, etc.) could have collectively redesigned & revamped the Champion Point system in a few hours or a few days. ZOS takes over a full year. How depressing and embarrassing. That's all I'm saying. Lol.

I am so eager to see what ZOS announces in 2020, I can hardly wait...

I can bet anyone that whatever ZOS does, it won't be something that a player hadn't already thought of during this past year of The Great Freeze.

One can have the opinion that it should not take a full year but I respectfully disagree with very valid reasons. First off Zos is clearly busy revamping combat in the game which is itself taking more than a full year (fact) and is clearly a major project so the same people that would be key in the redesigning CP.

Second, when Zos designed CP they rushed designing and implementing it. They did not think it through very well. A clear indication of this was the only cap on CP when it was released several years ago was the max 3600 points even though we informed Zos it was like god mode. We pawned SO on the PTS. Zos did a knee jerk reaction to add the soft cap when they finally realized their mistakes.

So while you want the CP update rushed (being you think it should take only a few hours or days) I would prefer a well though out change what changes Zos were to make and understand it is not as simple as some people seem to pretend it to be.

An entire year of frozen vertical progression is unacceptable from a multi-billion dollar company, brand, and holy-trinity MMORPG of the modern era. Especially when new gear sets locked behind paid DLCs are more meta-changing and balance-breaking than a percent-of-a-percent of CP passive bonuses. The CP cap hasn't changed in over a year, but game-balance, performance, meta, power-creep, etc. all certainly has.
ZOS may be busy revamping and redesigning other features/systems, yet those teams working on said features/systems do not have to be mutually-exclusive. AND, those features/systems were also heavily plagued with numerous game-breaking bugs. Such as the Activity Finder: or the infamous and laughable weapon-swapping & mounting bug: and so on.

When designing the CP system and passives, it doesn't take a genius to realize that combat-related passives needed to be toned down while non-combat CP passives needed to be enhanced and/or expanded (e.g. double-harvesting from resources nodes, crafting inspiration, etc.) There are numerous non-combat related systems and activities in ESO that could be turned into a CP passive to enhance the CP system and give players more variety and something other than Penetration and Fire/Magic damage resistance increases. I also highly doubt that anyone at ZOS has been actively working on revamping the CP system since it has been frozen over a year ago. The CP revamp system is probably on a backlogged itemized to-do list and not being actively worked on. Like most things.

I mean, just look at ZeniMax Online Studios' career page: There are plenty of open positions available. Get to work and update the CP system already.
Clearly the Crown Store Team/Department is doing very well... Perhaps additional Combat Designers and Quality-Assurance testers should be hired from the revenue generated from the ridiculously overpriced Crown Store virtual goods. Just a thought. Or, maybe hire some of the many passionate ESO players, such as add-on developers or even streamers, who put more time and passion into ESO than some developers themselves. Just a thought. It's almost as if certain ESO employees and developers have never actually played ESO. That is beyond asinine.

Hopefully 2020 will yield better communication, systems/features, performance, and positive results than 2019 for ESO.
It is my view that the ZOS development team is severely stagnating in the combat, quality-assurance, and performance departments and over-compensating in the marketing, monetization, and Crown Store/virtual-goods departments.
We all just want the best for ESO, after all.

jainiadral wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Please take your time Pretty please, with sugar on top?

I like the system as is. I like that it now has a cap so I have a prayer of getting there at some point very soon (12.5 points to go). I'm also glad that this isn't a top priority so I can actually experience having a maxxed character before the system gets gutted to oblivion.

Wait until you’ve been sitting at 810 for a year, while you push CP 1000 : ) I’m actually pushing 1200 and play about half as much. No progression, nerfs, etc. Just not that much fun any more. I just get on a couple times a week to run trials with my group.

Guess we'll find out in 2 weeks, at the 2020 announcements.

Be careful what you ask the developers to produce or change in the game. In all MMOs I have played players request X and Y was delivered. Y included some of X ideas the players wanted but Y was so vastly different that it resulted in a massive exodus of players.

I like the CP system but I can see it getting fine tuned. I rather see that than the system go away and a new system taking its place; usually when that happens, well see my first paragraph.

jaws343 wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Keburisu wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Got to love people who think CP is the largest culprit to power creep and un-balance.....just lmao

It is stunningly clueless. I have no intentions of dumping anymore money or continuing my subscription for a game that offers no growth.

Gear sets are just a hamster wheel where we chase the nerf carrot.

But isn't CP the hamster wheel for people who constantly need to see +1 +1 +1 +1s everywhere to be engaged with the game?

People do generally need to see some sort of vertical progression in a game to continue to be engaged, yes.

Not really.

Granted, some people might need to regardless of how meaningless it is, and 30 CP has little meaning. However, most people are more into the game itself. They enjoy the game and playing the game with friends. We have not missed much since CP was frozen.

Edit: Zos has given us an update on CP since they froze it. I expect they will give us another update when they have something to day. I’d rather they do it right than rush it.

Honestly, whatever Champion Point re-work that ZOS proposes, regardless if it is simply changing a few numbers and moving some CP passives around or if it is a new system entirely -- either way, it should not have taken an entire full year to develop and implement it. (And I doubt many players will be surprised when we finally see the new CP progression system/version).

It has already been a full year and there has been no news on whether the Champion Point system in general will remain intact (with some stats/passives/categories changed or removed and replaced) or an entirely new progress system.

The most active & most knowledgeable ESO players (regular & hardcore PvP & PvE players, ESO class-reps, ESO streamers, ESO guild leaders, etc.) could have collectively redesigned & revamped the Champion Point system in a few hours or a few days. ZOS takes over a full year. How depressing and embarrassing. That's all I'm saying. Lol.

I am so eager to see what ZOS announces in 2020, I can hardly wait...

I can bet anyone that whatever ZOS does, it won't be something that a player hadn't already thought of during this past year of The Great Freeze.

One can have the opinion that it should not take a full year but I respectfully disagree with very valid reasons. First off Zos is clearly busy revamping combat in the game which is itself taking more than a full year (fact) and is clearly a major project so the same people that would be key in the redesigning CP.

Second, when Zos designed CP they rushed designing and implementing it. They did not think it through very well. A clear indication of this was the only cap on CP when it was released several years ago was the max 3600 points even though we informed Zos it was like god mode. We pawned SO on the PTS. Zos did a knee jerk reaction to add the soft cap when they finally realized their mistakes.

So while you want the CP update rushed (being you think it should take only a few hours or days) I would prefer a well though out change what changes Zos were to make and understand it is not as simple as some people seem to pretend it to be.

An entire year of frozen vertical progression is unacceptable from a multi-billion dollar company, brand, and holy-trinity MMORPG of the modern era. Especially when new gear sets locked behind paid DLCs are more meta-changing and balance-breaking than a percent-of-a-percent of CP passive bonuses. The CP cap hasn't changed in over a year, but game-balance, performance, meta, power-creep, etc. all certainly has.

Either CP's provide meaningful vertical progression, or they are useless "percent-of-a-percent" increases. You can't have it both ways. If they are useless increases, then clearly it doesn't really matter that we haven't had a CP increase.

but here lies the problem. no game can retain a long term player base with out a solid vertical character driven system. ESO has survived off a churn base population with regurgitated content. Games with a fraction of the budget were able to maintain vertical progression increases, add new game enriching systems , classes, races . While still adding content for end game and brand new players . ESO has done none of the above in any meaningful manner other then a half ass justice system , 2 broken classes one of which was actually already in game in alpha. ESO has not put money back into the game they just make it bigger with cut and past content and charge a premium. the CP system was by far the biggest missed opportunity. it should have had several layers to it by now with class specfic trees , and actives. all the CP system was is the VR system that you buy passive increases with. Both systems are bad but if i had a choice the game played better with the VR system