ESO Champion Point System Update

AcadianPaladin · July 2019

CP1200 solo player here. I worked long and hard to feel powerful and I enjoy it - that includes overworld adventuring and questing. My 'end game' is a large number of alliance zone WBs and a smaller number of alliance zone normal group dungeons. Weakening my character with nerfs to skills or CP simply lowers the level of content that I can manage which is very irritating.

As far as gear goes, there are few things I dislike more than having to change gear once I have gear that works and I like.

Starlock · July 2019

I wouldn't expect to see anything on this until next year, at the earliest.

Shantu · July 2019

Personally I think CP gets a bad rap. I know far more 810 CP players who can't master a rotation and/or deal with vet content than I do players who are considered elite. I like the feeling of power that comes with vertical progression. It feels like something I've earned through thousand's of hours of playtime. CP's do not make you a great player. They do, however, provide a good foundation for getting better.

It does irk me though that I continue to earn CP's (1260 and counting) that are pretty much meaningless at this point. ZOS has already labeled CP's as a "problem", so this disturbs me. I know one thing, if they end up trashing everything over 810, that may be the final nerf that broke the camel's back.

I always enjoyed those moments of getting to allocate a new set of 30 CP's. While I know it won't happen, I do wish they would just leave the system alone. In reality, given the near constant influx of nerf bombs over the last year, whatever they have in mind, I have come to a feeling of dread about it. Kind of sad really. Whereas I used to have a feeling of anticipation and excitement about something new, I now expect disappointment. A casualty of the nerf knife, I suspect.

barney2525 · July 2019

LegacyDM wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

I have no issues with steamrolling old content as long as there is new content.

It's mad fun being a demi-God; we earned it.

If it presents an issue in PvP there is no CP content. In PvE, if content is too easy, you don't have to use CP, or can use fun off-meta gear.

I know this CP re-balance is happening anyway, but I think most people are going to be disappointed by it.

If everyone’s a Demi-god are we all still Demi-gods?

Who is this ' Demi ' person?

Cleveland521 · July 2019

I believe Zos needs to return to the Veteran point system, start Vet-1 through Vet-50. After reaching lvl 50 you start Vet-1 and cap at 50.

Vlad9425 · July 2019

CP system will no doubt be replaced with something less powerful so it's probably just a nerf waiting to happen.

BigBragg · July 2019

Skwor wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

In PvE, if content is too easy, you don't have to use CP, or can use fun off-meta gear.

That is really only applicable in vMA or when soloing World Bosses. Would be rude to gimp yourself in situations where groups depend on you performing a role.

Find a like minded group, if CP is so hated that should be easy to do.

Truth is it is not because CP is not the issue so many try to make it be.

I do. I play NoCP PvP.

It isn't the only issue causing power creep, but it definitely is a contributing factor. Hence the review of the system as stated by the people at ZeniMax.

Donnasnowheart_ESO · July 2019

Story in this game is personally dead for me not because of the story telling part but the combat is insanely easy unless your using horrible gear and no cp. That whole process is horribly backwards imo and Cp is without a doubt the largest contributor to the issue.

Darkmage1337 · July 2019

Perhaps the new leveling/progression system will be a hybrid between the return of Veteran Ranks merged with a weaker, re-designed Champion Point system?

I personally wasn't particularly fond of the Veteran Rank system in comparison to the Champion Point system, in which the CP system is much more rewarding though now overpowered and imbalanced. (I also had 5 or 6 VR 12-16 characters before it turned into CP, way back when, but that was far too time-consuming for little gain/reward.) I greatly enjoyed the CP progression system far more, but it certainly became less fun when I (and others) greatly surpassed the CP cap and the rate of quarterly incremental CP cap increases.

ZOS obviously put the brakes on the CP system due to Power Creep (players becoming too strong with so much CP), but that is what happens when there is a 1:1 scaling ratio between players level/gear and PvE zone content being scaled to you -- CP simply becomes free, unmitigated extra bonuses in that equation. Yeah, we earned that CP (myself included in 1,000+), but I can't help but feel the loss of thrill and being unchallenged.

The CP catch-up system is too slow for newer players; and, conversely, at 1,000+ CP, far beyond the CP cap, I should not still be receiving 'enlightenment' bonuses for further faster CP gain. The enlightenment bonus effect should be greatly increased for lower-level CP players and drastically decreased, or eliminated altogether for players well beyond the CP cap (200+ CP over the cap, in my case.)

I don't think ZOS will remove the Champion Point system entirely, but I do think ZOS will greatly rework the system by reducing the CP effects and bonuses or even changing them altogether. They've nerfed CP effects and passives in the past.

Just like Veteran Rank 16 became Champion Point 160, we can only wonder what Champion Point 810 or 1,000+ will turn into.
Hopefully our character and account progress won't be completely wasted and wiped out with whatever ZOS comes up with.
I'd also feel bad for all those players currently grinding up to CP 810, just for their progress to get scraped right as ZOS switched the system. Again. Lol.

If we don't hear a squeak of news about the Champion Point system re-vamp during QuakeCon, I suppose we'd probably expect to see or hear a reveal of the revamp around New Years in the Game Director/Creative Director Road Ahead / Letter to the Community or the 2020 Q1 update, which would be a shame because that would be roughly an entire year (10 months) from when ZOS hit pause on the CP progression in February 2019.

I just hope we don't have to end up waiting that long. I, like many others, have 200+ CP we've been waiting to use.

Cleveland521 · August 2019

I agree, seems like at first Vet ranks were broken and CP introduced only to become broken. A even balance allowing low levels to rapidly progress and a slowing of cp gain for 1K plus players, myself included over 1200 cp would help a lot.

mateosalvaje · August 2019

So there's a total of 3,600 unlockable CP, right? In my opinion, I think they should halve the max (100 point per slot) percentage buffs, and continue unlocking the CP cap 30 per season or year or whatever. I don't think there are a ton of people who are even half way to CP 3,600, (only 1,018 personally.) That would give us all something to look forward to as well as purpose and meaning to level progression continuing.

ZOS_GinaBruno · August 2019

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Cleveland521 · August 2019

Sounds like a negative ghost rider.

Rungar · August 2019

i actually think the best way forward is to get rid of most of the extra calculations and just give flat mag/stam/health.

it achieves the same goal but in a high performance general way.

there is a value of magicka that can equal 3 or 4 or more other modifiers. If were honest about the choices in the cp system now we know there are no choices to make. Do i go with 20% crit dmg or 21%?

thats not really a choice. Everyone ends up with the same formula based on your role.

im actually thinking that the flat stat, as long as its equal amounts of health/mag/stam would be far more beneficial.

an alternate cp system that only gives flat stats but offers many choices for utility might be preferable.

Ardaghion · August 2019

If the plans to re-evaluate the CP are a ways off, it might make sense to up the limit a little bit. Not that it matters to me, I've been playing a bit over two years and my CP is at 792. At the rate I make progress it will take a few more months just to hit 810. I've been playing catch-up on CP since the day I started.

Waffennacht · August 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Though not the answer many of us wanted, ty so much for communicating with us @ZOS_GinaBruno

MrGhosty · August 2019

I don't honestly know what would be best to do with the CP system, but I will say that I like it even being a character well under the cap. One idea that comes to mind would be some sort of utility/horizontal progression options that could be added to the CP system. If we keep the cap at 810, put in a new set of constellations or some sort of celestial thing that unlocks at that points which allows points to be spent on utility upgrades. These upgrades could be perks akin to the treasure hunter perk, where it provides no clear advantage over other players but has enough value on its own.

Some of these perks could be stuff like unlockable housing items like resource nodes, passive boosts, double reward chests from events, etc.

The new "trees" could be divided up between the various aspects of the game so you could have a PvP , housing, trials, world boss, delve, daily events trees that provide boosts to those activities. These would all need to balanced so that they were worth chasing but not so amazing that newer players felt like they were missing out (a fine line to walk, I know). They could also offer upgrades that could be shared, like a flag memento that could be placed at certain points in dungeons/trials that when interacted with refilled ultimates and granted some sort of bonus loot drop maybe? Having some aspect of group interaction would allow for high cp rank players to help out newer players.

These things are just off the top of my head of course, but the general idea behind them is an attempt to create value for veteran players without punishing newer players. That balance between the two wouldn't need to be as pronounced if they also introduced a more robust cp point catch up system.

Bottomline is I would be very disappointed if they scrapped the CP system or greatly nerfed it. Both from the perspective of the veteran players whose time investment would feel wasted and for newer players currently grinding towards the goal. Vet ranks were awful and segmented the population horribly before one tamriel dropped. I still remember the struggle to complete world bosses or do events where people were needed but the zones were like ghost towns. If players want challenge, then perhaps they could look into the ability to set delves and public dungeons to veteran levels within the zones so that those who want the really tough challenge can do so there. I think any system that segregates the player base again will be a bad idea, though I speak from bias in that regard as part of the reason I came back to ESO was the fact that I can play anywhere at anytime and wouldn't like zones to be locked off from me, or get isolated based on my level.

KerinKor · August 2019

[quote="Waffennacht;c-6250061"Though not the answer many of us wanted[/quote]
But the one anyone who's been reading these forums for only a few months should have expected, ZOS are clueless how to deal with the CP problem their knee-jerk reaction to the hate of the VR system created.

Skwor · August 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Thank you for the update. Unfortunatly the way you stated it I am left with the understanding that all upward growth is now stalled with no expected change nor any even planned, not even a plan for a plan.

Your quote says you are not even looking at it right now? Seriously?!.

Cleveland521 · August 2019

Still planning to re evil the system sometime in the future means “we will get to it when we get to it” ?

idk · August 2019

Cleveland521 wrote: »

Sounds like a negative ghost rider.

Yep. No real reason to incrase the cap until they know what they will do with the CP system. Besides, the increase is CP is pretty negligible. I noticed the last increase as much as I have noticed the last two updates without an increase.

therift · August 2019

Waffennacht wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Though not the answer many of us wanted, ty so much for communicating with us ZOS_GinaBruno

It's going to take a lot of thought to rework CP, and it probably should wait until the combat audit is complete so they have a solid baseline from which to work. I can wait

WeerW3ir · August 2019

we will lose cp

Casul · August 2019

Kill CP. Less calculations, less lag, less problems.

Tommy_The_Gun · August 2019

WeerW3ir wrote: »

we will lose cp

If some one would tell such a joke last year, I would indeed consider it "a joke". But... looking what they are doing with this game right now, It might actually be truth...

jaws343 · August 2019

Skwor wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Thank you for the update. Unfortunatly the way you stated it I am left with the understanding that all upward growth is now stalled with no expected change nor any even planned, not even a plan for a plan.

Your quote says you are not even looking at it right now? Seriously?!.

That's probably a good thing though. They are systematically making balance passes across gear sets, classes, weapons, and passives. And that is all going to be followed up with massive performance patches next year. Waiting to worry about changing the CP system, potentially until after all of those things are ironed out, is a very good thing. There is not point trying to shoehorn a replacement to CP in before they are even done with their balance pass and performance upgrades.

No_Division · August 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Thank you for the update. Unfortunatly the way you stated it I am left with the understanding that all upward growth is now stalled with no expected change nor any even planned, not even a plan for a plan.

Your quote says you are not even looking at it right now? Seriously?!.

That's probably a good thing though. They are systematically making balance passes across gear sets, classes, weapons, and passives. And that is all going to be followed up with massive performance patches next year. Waiting to worry about changing the CP system, potentially until after all of those things are ironed out, is a very good thing. There is not point trying to shoehorn a replacement to CP in before they are even done with their balance pass and performance upgrades.

yup. can't look at CP if the skills we currently have, were adjusted because of CP in the past.

Cleveland521 · August 2019

Yep, looks like we are lost in the Zos. Lol

Skwor · August 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Thank you for the update. Unfortunatly the way you stated it I am left with the understanding that all upward growth is now stalled with no expected change nor any even planned, not even a plan for a plan.

Your quote says you are not even looking at it right now? Seriously?!.

That's probably a good thing though. They are systematically making balance passes across gear sets, classes, weapons, and passives. And that is all going to be followed up with massive performance patches next year. Waiting to worry about changing the CP system, potentially until after all of those things are ironed out, is a very good thing. There is not point trying to shoehorn a replacement to CP in before they are even done with their balance pass and performance upgrades.

Except Gina's statement sounds more like they have given up and are kicking the can down the road. The idea of being strung along for years waiting for some form of vertical growth to come back to ESO is not healthy for the game and will not retain players.

jainiadral · August 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Champion Point Update
The Champion Point cap will not be increased for Update 21, or subsequent updates, until further notice. We are currently investigating the best direction to take the system to have healthier balance overall for the game.
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on February 25, 2019 12:01PM

Posted/quoted from the Wrathstone DLC update patch notes, back in February: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5851010#Comment_5851010

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert now that it has been 5 months and 2, almost 3, quarterly content updates have passed without an incremental CP cap increase. Is it possible for either of you to give us, the players, an update on the status of the 're-evaluation' of the Champion Point system? Any new communication or dialogue to share, at all?
Will there be any news or update regarding the Champion Point system at QuakeCon later this week?

Patiently waiting.

Yours truly,

-Every ESO player above and beyond 1,000+ CP

No real news at this time, but we are still planning to re-evaluating the system sometime in the future.

Please take your time

Pretty please, with sugar on top?

I like the system as is. I like that it now has a cap so I have a prayer of getting there at some point very soon (12.5 points to go). I'm also glad that this isn't a top priority so I can actually experience having a maxxed character before the system gets gutted to oblivion.