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One-Hand and Rune When?
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So many people want 1h and rune...I'm curious what the vision is for the skill line. Do the skills change function based on the rune equipped? What does the rune add?2 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why do people want a hybrid weapon when they aren't using hybrids right now?
What is this skill line supposed to accomplish?
just because a sword is involved doesnt mean physical damage...i think ppl just want a more melee focused magicka weapon with lower distance spells such as flame thrower, magicka buffs (buff your sword with elemental damage etc) and self buffs/shields etc.... basically the way a lot of people played Skyrim...which would fit a skyrim chapter13 -
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Soon, I would hope!Darkstorne wrote: »One-Hand and Rune When?
That as well.Imperial_Voice wrote: »Id prefer a spear
At least magica builds get four different flavors of staff.Stamina peeps have
●dual wield
●2 handed
●1 hand shield
●Bow
And what do mag peeps have?
....staff boooty
Melee stamina builds have a wide range of choices, but... ranged stamina builds? Only bows, which is even sadder then magica builds...
It would be a logical progression. If we have a magical rune as offhand, it would only make sense to have them as two-fisted magic-slinger skill line as well!TelvanniWizard wrote: »Also, double rune would be nice.
...and questions like those are why I spent time thinking about...Sandman929 wrote: »So many people want 1h and rune...I'm curious what the vision is for the skill line. Do the skills change function based on the rune equipped? What does the rune add?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Why do people want a hybrid weapon when they aren't using hybrids right now?
What is this skill line supposed to accomplish?
just because a sword is involved doesnt mean physical damage...i think ppl just want a more melee focused magicka weapon with lower distance spells such as flame thrower, magicka buffs (buff your sword with elemental damage etc) and self buffs/shields etc.... basically the way a lot of people played Skyrim...which would fit a skyrim chapter
People have also been complaining that melee magicka (DK and Templar) sucks ever since release.
Don't get me wrong, spellsword playstyles sound like fun, but they don't work with ESO's current system, at all. We'd need much more substantial changes to get something like that going, just another skill line won't do.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭idk if the engine can handle it. and i dont think zos will do that anytime soon even if it's possible.
The weapon type is literally in the game right now on a number of NPCs.
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Why do people want a hybrid weapon when they aren't using hybrids right now?
What is this skill line supposed to accomplish?
just because a sword is involved doesnt mean physical damage...i think ppl just want a more melee focused magicka weapon with lower distance spells such as flame thrower, magicka buffs (buff your sword with elemental damage etc) and self buffs/shields etc.... basically the way a lot of people played Skyrim...which would fit a skyrim chapter
People have also been complaining that melee magicka (DK and Templar) sucks ever since release.
Don't get me wrong, spellsword playstyles sound like fun, but they don't work with ESO's current system, at all. We'd need much more substantial changes to get something like that going, just another skill line won't do.
While it's true we could use some more substantial changes for magicka-melee, it's not really accurate to suggest it doesn't work currently. Some players have definitely gotten it to work - myself included - and it makes for a distinctive, fun play style that can be quite a challenge sometimes. In a way, being able to recover magicka through heavy attacks would take away some of that challenge, but I'd rather have the option to be able to do that than not.1 -
Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »
I remember months ago I was pick pocketing a dark elf in Vivic city member for the thieves guild and the guy caught me. Dude summoned a blue glowing sword and started attacking me. I was very much surprised because I had never seen that in ESO. I knew right then that we'd get that as a weapon skill line eventually. I'm willing to bet the new big thing in the upcoming Skyrim chapter will be conjured swords or 1-Handed + Runes learned at Winterhold College.5 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s already in the game for npcs.
her name is Henneque Chamrond in Daggerfall
edit: here's another i just got today
in Elden Root npc name Gerinien, no sword on her character model before she attacks so the sword might be a summoned spell itself. #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Salix_alba✭✭✭✭well with Skyrim being the next chapter if they chose to add a new class it'll prob be drunk naked barbarian bare handed bear wrestler with milk drinker morphs. But I would love a non-magical stave weapon, spear or 1h and rune class or skill line please.0 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »Also, double rune would be nice.
Add unarmed while we're at it
If they did unarmed what would go in hour weapon slot would they had fist weapons or just invisible stat stickDC PC NA
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TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That would be great to have. Something for a true spellblade style gameplay. I know that would fit great on my magblade.
Anyway, I wouldn't hold my breath. If it eventually comes, it will most likely be with a new chapter, so at least one year of waiting.
A heavy armor spell sword is what i have played in TES since forever, a shame it isnt in this game yet
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Salix_alba✭✭✭✭lucky_Sage wrote: »TelvanniWizard wrote: »Also, double rune would be nice.
Add unarmed while we're at it
If they did unarmed what would go in hour weapon slot would they had fist weapons or just invisible stat stick
It would be an enchanted flagon that counts as both slots that could be paired with set pieces by pouring mead on a set table or maybe brass knucklesEdited by Salix_alba on December 16, 2019 9:28PM0 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
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Great screenshots! Thanks for posting theseIt’s already in the game for npcs.
her name is Henneque Chamrond in Daggerfall
edit: here's another i just got today in Elden Root npc name Gerinien, no sword on her character model before she attacks so the sword might be a summoned spell itself.
All aboard the One-Hand-and-Rune for Skyrim hype train!3 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so far they have alternated a new class and a new skill / crafting line which means its time for a skill and/or crafting line...everyone and their mother is expecting to see winterhold in skyrim and i doubt they can leave it out... And that means that a winterhold themed skill line seems likely which means 1h+spell or spell crafting could be a thing...1 -
MaleAmazon✭✭✭✭✭
✭People have also been complaining that melee magicka (DK and Templar) sucks ever since release.
Don't get me wrong, spellsword playstyles sound like fun, but they don't work with ESO's current system, at all. We'd need much more substantial changes to get something like that going, just another skill line won't do.
I don´t think that´s correct, there have been at least some patch versions when magDKs were pretty great (anything that kills me is per definition great and OP). And regen spamming templars have not been seen as weak afaik.
I guess some people just don´t like it since in melee you spend more of the stamina resource when blocking and rolling?
Anyway, 'melee magicka' is the archetype that is missing from ESO (well, that, and spears, and flails, and, and...). It is a bit boring to rely so heavily on the staff which is of course also fundamentally a ranged weapon.
I would love to see a magicka melee fighter, with a ward for blocking and a magical weapon. They were fun to play in Skyrim. Wouldn´t be too hard to implement anyway since the animations are already there, they just have to create magical objects to go with them.3 -
DreamsUnderStars✭✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Id prefer a spear
I'd prefer both. I am so sick of playing staff if I want to be a caster, and dual and sword and board aren't cutting it.1 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Oh man a magicka melee skill line would be awesome. And you dont even need to conjure weapons, all it needs is to let the rune change the main hand melee weapon to return magicka as while light or heavy attack and we're good to go.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Spellcrafting has been datamined years ago, yet it’s only existing in the game files. So I’d say sometimes between now and never... unfortunately.Imperial_Voice wrote: »Id prefer a spear
The game needs more Magicka weapons and Spear clearly wouldn’t be one.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hybrid builds are dead. I doubt ZOS care to ever bring it back, this image is likely from a scrapped mechanic planned for original launch.
It's the sad reality of the current combat mechanics, numerically speaking, to bring back stat hybrids propperly you need another tamriel-unlimited level reshuffle of the equations.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
Spellcrafting has been datamined years ago, yet it’s only existing in the game files. So I’d say sometimes between now and never... unfortunately.Imperial_Voice wrote: »Id prefer a spear
The game needs more Magicka weapons and Spear clearly wouldn’t be one.
What if a spear was actually a magical catalyst like a staff that could be used for close combat too. You just lack imagination :PEU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
Spellcrafting has been datamined years ago, yet it’s only existing in the game files. So I’d say sometimes between now and never... unfortunately.Imperial_Voice wrote: »Id prefer a spear
The game needs more Magicka weapons and Spear clearly wouldn’t be one.
What if a spear was actually a magical catalyst like a staff that could be used for close combat too. You just lack imagination :P
This game really doesn’t need more melee stuff either. Magicka / healing / tanking weapon with ranged combat is what we need. More than enough melee stuff in game already.
I know 1h + Rune might be Melee as well but... Magicka melee weapon wouldn’t be the worst honestly. So yes a Spear could work in that regard, if it’s indeed Magicka Melee.Edited by Seraphayel on December 24, 2019 2:19PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭They aren’t suggesting a hybrid build, they are suggesting a magicka build designed for close range.
And why not do it? Options are always nice.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest8 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭not sure why this would be so hard to comprehend... its a melee / close range weapon that does magicka damage - same as staves but closer range... not difficult6 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Based on that datamined pictures both restoration staff and 1h+shield does not exist in the game. It was not skill line that was datamined it's just 1 icon in old file. I think people created way too much fuss around one random datamined picture without any context. It may be also old design for the game where 1h+rune was initial idea connecting designs of resto staff and s&b but later ZoS scratched those plans and turned 1h+rune into 1h+shield and resto staff. There is many possible reasons why that icon is in the game files but people choose only one reason that it definietly has to be skill line which was and still is planned.Edited by Juhasow on December 24, 2019 9:11PM3 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Based on that datamined pictures both restoration staff and 1h+shield does not exist in the game. I think people created way too much fuss around one random datamined picture without any context. It may be also old design for the game where 1h+rune was initial idea connecting designs of resto staff and s&b but later ZoS scratched those plans and turned 1h+rune into 1h+shield and resto staff. There is many possible reasons why that icon is in the game files but people choose only one reason that it definietly has to be skill line which was and still is planned.
true...at the same time, devs usually have tried to implement things in the game that were requested often...they already said that a new weapon line would be difficult for a variety of reasons (one being that you would have to recreate new weapons for all the existing styles and it would change the loot tables) - but this is not the case for 1h+spell...as it could basically use existing 1h weapon models and simply work with passive bonuses / changes in the skill line if you dont equip another weapon in the second hand... so thats why i think IF we see a new weapon line, this one is most likely...
Also so far they always have alternated a new class with new crafting / skill lines for chapters...if they keep this up (and they seem to be falling into a certain rythm and keep doing the same type of content, etc.) than we would get a new skill line and or crating / weapon etc. this next chapter0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
Based on that datamined pictures both restoration staff and 1h+shield does not exist in the game. I think people created way too much fuss around one random datamined picture without any context. It may be also old design for the game where 1h+rune was initial idea connecting designs of resto staff and s&b but later ZoS scratched those plans and turned 1h+rune into 1h+shield and resto staff. There is many possible reasons why that icon is in the game files but people choose only one reason that it definietly has to be skill line which was and still is planned.
true...at the same time, devs usually have tried to implement things in the game that were requested often...they already said that a new weapon line would be difficult for a variety of reasons (one being that you would have to recreate new weapons for all the existing styles and it would change the loot tables) - but this is not the case for 1h+spell...as it could basically use existing 1h weapon models and simply work with passive bonuses / changes in the skill line if you dont equip another weapon in the second hand... so thats why i think IF we see a new weapon line, this one is most likely...
Also so far they always have alternated a new class with new crafting / skill lines for chapters...if they keep this up (and they seem to be falling into a certain rythm and keep doing the same type of content, etc.) than we would get a new skill line and or crating / weapon etc. this next chapter
Problem is You would still need to put something in Your second hand. Because without it You would have just one one-handed item in Your weapon slots and that would cripple that skill line the same way 2 handed weapons were crippled for long time and counted as 1 item which caused inability to for example wear 5-5-2 gear combos. ZoS would have to implement whole new mechanic that would recognize wheter You have one or two one handed weapons and would count it towards 1 or 2 item slots based on that or 1 handed weapons would have to be redesigned completly and always count as 2 items but then dual wield off-hand and shield slots wouldn't count as item slots. Both solutions sounds wierd.
To avoid them ZoS would have to add new items called runes that would fill second slot in 1h+rune combo. And that would also cause additional implementations , changes of drop rates , redesign of unique weapons in specific parts of content (like DSA , BRP etc.) and lot more. Sounds like a lot of mess. Also that would be wierd if we would have 1 handed weapons in 3 separate skill lines.Edited by Juhasow on December 24, 2019 9:10PM3 -
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✭None of these things would be as hard as adding a new class I suspect.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Now that i think about it hopefully never. Knowing them theyd just make it the new Magic Tanking weapon, and thatd be a huge bummer.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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