Ok here is all fee to play works in games of this quality, you like having normal exp you pay to keep up, you like exploring every area you pay , you like having more then a few skills you pay for the extra ones and so on. You want to open more then a simple chest pay for keys....could go on with how bad fee to play would be for a game like ESO....think DDO online times ten. :P

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Ok so for all of those defending ZOS that are not undercover agents... What you think you getting in return? A golden stallion? Or a free pet?

Ok so for all of those crying f2p that are not flamebait trolls... What you think you getting in return? A golden ticket? Or a free game?

Endolith wrote: »

Anyone trying to estimate player/subscriber numbers in either direction is foolish. There is just not a solid basis of information available.

Through careful scientific study, I have concluded it is: a lot.

Much like Rift... the day it goes free to play is the day I quit.

No thx.

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Hello ZOS I think we should just admit our mistakes here not a lot of people going to continue paying subs with the quality of service we've been receiving. If you make the game Free to play (F2P) I think the odds are more in your favor since people will actually want to pay $60 for the game. Right now everyone is upset because we paid for a broken product but if we don't pay anymore then we won't be so unforgiving. Take the example from FFXIV Square apologized and made it free and now they rise again with FFXIV RR.

Hahahahah you are a funny guy. FFXIV isn't free to play, I believe it was when they were making ARR, but it's $13 subscription. If you want F2P then don't complain when the devs keep putting new type of content so they can extort you out of your money and neglect other fun areas of the game, look at GW2, how slow are the updates for WvW and the balance patches. *** Story patches every two weeks and WvW patches every six+ months, how broken Coverage on WvW is, only the server with most people around the globe is the one who wins, not the one who out-plays the enemy during prime-time.

Good grief, it's so useless to try and discuss such a thing, we have no number of how many people wants it, how many people are stuck with bugs, how many people are actually playing and no proof besides "speculation" that F2P is the "best" option. Because "LOTRO, GW2, RIFT or whatever" did it is not enough proof, those games lack quality and enough content on the long run.

Unless you are talking about this game going free to play until they fix stuff and then revert to p2p... If you are your post is badly worded, but still never going to happen.

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Fanboi blocker activated.

Ok, thats it, this statement is uncontestable proof that you don't have the right mind for this type of discussion, we have the right to disregard any statement made by you.

starkerealm wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Like I said before for everyone having issues there are 1000s and 1000s who are not. Most of these issues only seem to affect a few people (access codes) and others are issues people brought on themselves (like paying for value shipping and expecting to play until the game arrives in the mail for free). This has been the smoothest launch of a MMO in recent history.

The Bank bug seems to be a lot more widespread than that... though, of course, we don't have access to hard numbers there.

I agree.

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Ok so for all of those defending ZOS that are not undercover agents... What you think you getting in return? A golden stallion? Or a free pet?

Jesus christ, bravo, well done, you made a flamebait thread and succeeded in making this thread 3 pages long already.

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Hello ZOS I think we should just admit our mistakes here not a lot of people going to continue paying subs with the quality of service we've been receiving. If you make the game Free to play (F2P) I think the odds are more in your favor since people will actually want to pay $60 for the game. Right now everyone is upset because we paid for a broken product but if we don't pay anymore then we won't be so unforgiving. Take the example from FFXIV Square apologized and made it free and now they rise again with FFXIV RR.

F2P is a crap business model that costs players more in the long run, either monetarily or in fun. You and anyone else who supports F2P should be ashamed of themselves.

PhenomMasaki wrote: »

It WILL be F2P in 6 months.

Ha, please remember you said that in 6 months.

I don't play Eveonline really any more but I still pay then £10 a month in subs (like I have for the past 6 years) to keep my character in training in case I do want to return one day. The reason for that is because it's probably the best game ever made. It's uncompromising and brutal and unforgiving, which conversely provides a sense of real achievement. It's also the only game that generates genuine adrenaline spikes. It's a great game because it's a subscription model. There are no and I mean NO gold spammers in the game because you can legally buy currency in a roundabout way and it goes straight into the world's economy and is taken out again when ships blow up.

This is the best model an MMO can adopt in my view. Real risk of loss of items/skills, subscription model, legal currency buying which actually benefits the game and economy.

The antithesis of this is propping up a meaningless game with a FTP/Pay to win model desperately selling the latest vanity pet to a shallow playerbase.

ESO is another meaningless themepark MMO and is therefore probably doomed to the same fate as all the others. The day it goes free to play will be my final day in ESO.

$$ suits are in charge, they don't care about the players at all, minimum support is all they have, not saying it's true, but it feels almost like 10 people running the support department only...

I would love a re-launch tbh, with a new release date and another early access, will it *** people off? I am 100% sure it will, but considering the various server "maintenance", bank bugs, lags, god knows what not (of which I suffered almost none btw), this game is screaming out loud for a re-launch.

Drazhar14 wrote: »

I hope it stays subscription and delivers quality content on a regular basis. I would much prefer that over a f2p cash shop. Although I will agree the number of bugs and customer support has been bad. We should at least be compensated an extra week of free game time for the mess that launch has been.

Which so far we got none.

starkerealm wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Endolith wrote: »

I doubt they will transition any time soon. Unlike some companies, I think ZOS will be content to ride out a lower subscriber base, which can still generate significant revenue.

Lower? Game has millions of people playing it. The only game with more people playing right now is WoW.

Okay, you've got my curiosity... where's that number coming from? The only population number I've seen was the beta signups, which was five million, and isn't the current game population, so far as I know.

Id bet about 1/3rd of the beta signups bought the game. The real test will come after the "free" 30 days are up.

raeece1337b16_ESO wrote: »

I Hope this game goes F2P. This game is the worst MMO I have ever played..I did sick all over my brand new Keyboard and now its ruined....all thanks to ESO. Come on Brothers..we will fight for F2P together or dine in Hell!!!!!

You seem a bit upset.

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Hello ZOS I think we should just admit our mistakes here not a lot of people going to continue paying subs with the quality of service we've been receiving. If you make the game Free to play (F2P) I think the odds are more in your favor since people will actually want to pay $60 for the game. Right now everyone is upset because we paid for a broken product but if we don't pay anymore then we won't be so unforgiving. Take the example from FFXIV Square apologized and made it free and now they rise again with FFXIV RR.

You have no idea how WRONG you are. It's the exact opposite!

Because ESO is a subscription game, it will attract players who wants to play this type of game which will evolve and keep getting developed!

The company needs the funds to pay good workers to keep making this world even more interesting. No free-to-play game, YET in MMORPG has been able to do this successfully.

IF this game was F2P, you wouldn't see half as many players right now as we have. I for one would not even play it if its was "free-to-play". Why play a game, invest a lot of time in it.....where it more then likely will not change? And to add to it, you can buy in game stuff from a gamestore for real money?

I am sorry if you did not know this, but there is a HUGE need for a game just like ESO. It is maybe not the kind of game that offers whoever wants everything at once and rather pay then earn their way in game. There are other games that does that just fine. Go play them.

Zenimax, keep up the good work and KEEP the subscription! As long as you do, you have at least 1 loyal costumer!