Are you okay with ESO getting on path of P2W model?

ACaptiveMind · November 2019

No

I do not approve of it, and an itty little bit of P2W is still P2W. If it becomes a regular feature then it can only get worse. IMHO.

Chicharron · November 2019

Woodoochill wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Right now in Craglorn zone chat.

LF 5 DPS vCR +3 CP600 and New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns, Discord needed.

Trolls gona troll , sadly those ppl are either geniuses who has their "thing" thought through and through or folks who are unable to give it thought reaching deeper than their pupils and in my experience its mostly the second version.

They are here to make money, whether you like it or not the way they do it.

Do you want to be a better DPS in PVE?

You need False God/Lokkestiiz, you need to buy Elsweyr, I don't see anyone crying for that.

You want to see something P2W go play World of Tanks.

I used to play it but the P2W was so much that I quit, and I will do the same when ESO follows that line, I don't see the need for a drama.

You do not like? Do not play/pay it.

ChunkyCat · November 2019

Yes

I’m rich

RefLiberty · November 2019

No

I am and I will always be for subscription based games where all or most of the items can be acquired through game achievements, drops or any other gameplay related way (including most of the mounts and such items).
Premium store should be for vanity items only, as fancy clothing or as we have in ESO, fancy homes or such.

Any character boosting items that are going through store are immediate subscription cancellation and uninstall.
And by that I mean that I will be uninstalling at the same time while I clicking cancel subscription.

And just a word about obligatory sub. Subscription is clear and honest way to provide steady income for developers for they monthly paycheck and future game improvements, vanity items in store are income bonus and that is fine. I have nothing against sub.

Models like Free to play + store or simillare F2P combinations are ***, nothing on this world is free.
It always ends up that items that are worth something and items that give advantages to players are put in store with ridiculous prices. This never ends well.
Usually company owners are getting greedier and greedier, and often player base smaller and smaller as players notice that they are milked and eventually leave.
Once you get a bad reputation as Pay to Win you are more or less screwed forever.

So in short. Put monthly subscription to get steady income and put the store with Vanity items for players that want to spend a little more if they want to be noticed or it makes them happy.
But when more items (that are interesting) are in store, and by actually playing the game, you can get only duct taped crap, then it is a clear sign that company is sinking into worshiping a Greed God, which will by my humble opinion, on the long run just make the people leave.

If the OP is referring to that Pig pet and bank space. Yes I'm against it, as it is character altering premium feature, regardless it is just a 5 bank slots.

What will be next month? Will there be a weapon with "just a small" improvement on some stat?

Let me just remind you about notorious World of Tanks and when they sunk into Greed God realm and introduced "Gold ammo" and endless premium tanks
They will never be able to recover from being perceived as greedy company with a bonus of extremely toxic community as they are losing money with every premium shell fired. Bad, just bad...

Woodoochill · November 2019

No

Chicharron wrote: »

You want to see something P2W go play World of Tanks.

I have been playing Black Desert Online for some time so I know how much harm it can do.

Chicharron wrote: »

You do not like? Do not play/pay it.

This argument is as sentence of 5 year old child who is unable to come up with something constructive. In more adult way it can be translated to politics area as "Hey politician, you do not like that new law, huh? Then don't go to parlament on monday and do not vote on it" (Ofc we as players do not get payed for it atleast most of us but in your words its same as "You dont like that new law? Move to another country") anyway forum is a place to express what you like and dont and have atleast smallest chance to prevent something you do not want to happen in future which is point of this poll - To NOT end up with 100 inventory slots available only for real money.

richo262 · November 2019

It was an outrage, I was in PvP and was killed by the non-combat pet. I then bought the non-combat pet myself and solo'd vSS. /s

Loaded question, and completely wrong on P2W.

5 inventory spots doesn't help you win. It might save you an emergency trip to a vendor / decon station, but that is not winning, that is QOL.

If you were in a fight with somebody that has an INFINITE inventory, that would still not give them any combat advantage over you in PvP nor in any trial.

Iluvrien · November 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.

Its pay 4 convenience.

@ArchMikem do you honestly believe that this is going to stop at a single item that grants only 5 slots?

RefLiberty · November 2019

No

Iluvrien wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.

Its pay 4 convenience.

@ArchMikem do you honestly believe that this is going to stop at a single item that grants only 5 slots?

This.

thermatico · November 2019

People who think ESO is p2w have obviously never played an actual p2w game.

Woodoochill · November 2019

No

RefLiberty wrote: »

If the OP is referring to that Pig pet and bank space. Yes I'm against it, as it is character altering premium feature, regardless it is just a 5 bank slots.

What will be next month? Will there be a weapon with "just a small" improvement on some stat?

I am refering to a fear of what will come next once ZOS sees the statistics of how much this little "convinience improving stats while available only for real money" earned them.

As for skyshard and skillines It seems reasonable to firstly play it on atleast one char. Many players (including me) do not enjoy passing through anything for the second time but ofc I would much prefer TES like model, where I do not have to create alts to experience another class but that is long lost topic.

Chicharron · November 2019

Woodoochill wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

You want to see something P2W go play World of Tanks.

I have been playing Black Desert Online for some time so I know how much harm it can do.

Chicharron wrote: »

You do not like? Do not play/pay it.

This argument is as sentence of 5 year old child who is unable to come up with something constructive. In more adult way it can be translated to politics area as "Hey politician, you do not like that new law, huh? Then don't go to parlament on monday and do not vote on it" (Ofc we as players do not get payed for it atleast most of us but in your words its same as "You dont like that new law? Move to another country") anyway forum is a place to express what you like and dont and have atleast smallest chance to prevent something you do not want to happen in future which is point of this poll - To NOT end up with 100 inventory slots available only for real money.

Compare a video game with real life is as sentence of 5 year old child, ESO is just a game, not a second life.

No matter, we are running in circles here, this will be my last answer.

I will enjoy the game, while you continue worry if it is P2W.

Good luck.

Woodoochill · November 2019

No

richo262 wrote: »

It was an outrage, I was in PvP and was killed by the non-combat pet. I then bought the non-combat pet myself and solo'd vSS. /s

Loaded question, and completely wrong on P2W.

5 inventory spots does help you win. It might save you an emergency trip to a vendor / decon station, but that is not winning, that is QOL.

If you were in a fight with somebody that has an INFINITE inventory, that would still not give them any combat advantage over you in PvP nor in any trial.

Trying to be funny huh?

Sorry to announce you such sad thruth but you did not understand a single thing about topic.

Facefister · November 2019

No

Chicharron wrote: »

Woodoochill wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

You want to see something P2W go play World of Tanks.

I have been playing Black Desert Online for some time so I know how much harm it can do.

Chicharron wrote: »

You do not like? Do not play/pay it.

This argument is as sentence of 5 year old child who is unable to come up with something constructive. In more adult way it can be translated to politics area as "Hey politician, you do not like that new law, huh? Then don't go to parlament on monday and do not vote on it" (Ofc we as players do not get payed for it atleast most of us but in your words its same as "You dont like that new law? Move to another country") anyway forum is a place to express what you like and dont and have atleast smallest chance to prevent something you do not want to happen in future which is point of this poll - To NOT end up with 100 inventory slots available only for real money.

Compare a video game with real life is as sentence of 5 year old child, ESO is just a game, not a second life.

No matter, we are running in circles here, this will be my last answer.

I will enjoy the game, while you continue worry if it is P2W.

Good luck.

Well this video game consumes real time and money, so your point is moot.

Woodoochill · November 2019

No

thermatico wrote: »

Compare a video game with real life is as sentence of 5 year old child, ESO is just a game, not a second life.

No matter, we are running in circles here, this will be my last answer.

I will enjoy the game, while you continue worry if it is P2W.

Good luck.

Once you make friends in such game, with whom you eventually end up going to meetings and enjoy time even in real life it becomes more than a game.

Anyway I agree that we disagree. Good luck to you too.

TheNightflame · November 2019

Yes

they can do what they want

it's a shame they're killing the fun gameplay elements, but if they're making money so what, we have other things to do and other ways to improve our lives

RefLiberty · November 2019

No

Woodoochill wrote: »

Trying to be funny huh? Sorry to announce you such sad thruth but you did not understand a single thing about topic.

Indeed, he is somewhere else currently.

Btw I would like to share this link, it is hilarious, I was crying on Claus making fun over P2W and wot crap.
The initial story is that the guy is using Russian tank and missing all the time, then it culminates at 15 minute mark.
Here you go, enjoy: https://youtu.be/AZO_Ri-Gdgg?t=956

kirgeo · November 2019

No

The pet itself is not a big deal, I’d buy more if they released them. Bethesda is known to take baby steps to full P2W. If ZOS keeps its nose clean all good but I don’t trust big game publishers to not be greedy,

Skoomah · November 2019

I didn’t know people could die to inventory slots.

Ardan147 · November 2019

No

I got the pig, but I'll admit that it probably shouldn't exist.

bmnoble · November 2019

All I can say is LOOK OUT I AM GOING TO DOMINATE IN CYRODIIL NOW, WITH MY 5 EXTRA INVENTORY SPACES ON EACH OF MY CHARACTERS.

Unfortunately I didn't think the pig was that much of a big deal so I didn't buy it, all you PVP players are safe from me for now

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

Woodoochill wrote: »

Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.

Following that logic, If indeed 5 slots per character was P2W, then every one using ESO+ would be a P2W player right ?

What is P2W imho is:
- DLC dungeon / trial / arena gear that access to, is locked behind a paywall. It is not tradable and it is far superior to base game gear or DLC / Chapter tradable / craftable gear.
- Access to skill lines (such as Psijic order) also happens to be locked behind additional payments.
- Being able to buy entire fully maxed skill line on an alt (if you have it maxed on other character) is a P2W imho, as it creates additional advantage, especially in low level PvP (There is simply no way you could max out those skill lines and still be low level in any other way).

So do I support P2W ? No. I dont. I also don't like "time-savers" as it only encourages game to be more and more grindy by design, so more people will buy those "time-savers"

BomblePants · November 2019

So... if you sub - real money - bottomless crafting bag - it’s p2w? 🤔

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2019

[snip] We gave in to these tactics and participated with our wallets by purchasing containers so we could have more item slots. But this is not P2W.

[edited for bashing]

eklhaftb16_ESO · November 2019

I wanted to vote "no", but thinking about it, it doesn't really affect me. Cosmetics are my endgame, together with open world - so, technically, I've been "paying to win" for a long time, because paying is the only way to get the stuff I'm interested in. I would probably buy the pig sooner or later even if it didn't have any inventory on it.

Note to ZOS: please make more character slots. I need a new Orc to go with that pig.

Gilvoth · November 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.

Its pay 4 convenience.

exactly

NyassaV · November 2019

You can buy crowns using gold AND it's really only 5 spaces...

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

You can buy crowns using gold AND it's really only 5 spaces...

Officially ?

idk · November 2019

Woodoochill wrote: »

idk wrote: »

OP is incorrect in their definition of advantage.

P2w has long been considered when you can buy items in the crown store that make your character stronger in combat than the character can be with items obtained in game.

So storage is not going to make a character stronger by any definition

There is the definition for you... Lets put aside the subject of pet for now and take the golds(which you can make more from having bigger inventory btw). As many knows you can get golds for selling crowns - these golds can be used to buy items for improving weapons to gold quality which is kinda huge boost over purple ones - now tell me, do the person with gold gear have advantage over purple geard in pvp and higher dps in pve?

idk wrote: »

Edit; Since OP has not only biased the poll but in doing so actually ruined the poll since yes and no are not clear

Sorry but title is very self explenatory without need of another word-play and it seems you found in it something which is not even there.

1. Your new argument you posted here on P2W is still very false. If I gold out my gear from gold I acquired in game the benefits are the same regardless of how I obtained the gold tempers. They get no added value because someone purchased them from a guild trader after trading crowns for gold.

P2W, as I stated before and you conveniently edited out, is when you can buy something from the cash shop that will make your character stronger in battle than it could be with what is obtained in game.

2. You are equally wrong that the answers are self explanatory. With discussing the pet and falsly equating it as P2W some will answer yes that they are fine with the pet and others will answer no that they are not fine with Zos going P2W. Again, you conveniently edited out my previous explanation as it was inconvenient to your opinion.

I will suggest that if this new pet is this much of an issue for you that you find a different game that is not an MMORPG.

idk · November 2019

richo262 wrote: »

It was an outrage, I was in PvP and was killed by the non-combat pet. I then bought the non-combat pet myself and solo'd vSS. /s

Loaded question, and completely wrong on P2W.

5 inventory spots does help you win. It might save you an emergency trip to a vendor / decon station, but that is not winning, that is QOL.

If you were in a fight with somebody that has an INFINITE inventory, that would still not give them any combat advantage over you in PvP nor in any trial.

Love this reply. Both humorous and so correct.

SodanTok · November 2019

5 slots for pet is no different (its even better actually) to locked costume dye, double house size, double bank size, double transmutation capacity, ... from ESO+ which is btw paid with money, monthly and cant be even acquired (within TOS) thru crown selling like the permanent pet is.

It literally doesnt matter what your definition of P2W is. Either ESO was and is p2w for years or its still not, because nothing changed.

Gear that enables winning is literally locked behind paid by money content in this game and people go crazy over 5slot pet :facepalm: