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Why are players dropping like flies?
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just because they release new content does not mean it’s not lacking....
I have played since Xbox release when veteran zones rewarded long play times with harder quest and enemies to fight. Now quest are all but meaningless.
I understand they want NEW players buy the game and experience all the NEW content. But once you have done one zone quest they rest are all the same. No progression no growing in power to beat a boss because they all stay the same power......in fact a death hint is ‘level up or get better gear’. When in fact leveling up does nothing or worse if you keep the same gear you are less powerful..lmao
I personally do not purchase these quest only dlc’s as they offer nothing to a long time vet.
New content should be something you WORK toward it should not be like Glenumbra quests.
TLDR
Just becuause there is a lot of content doesn’t mean it’s good content.
I thought the southern Elseweyr quests contributed more to your character's progression than say the Murkmire quests did. At least they unlock a crafting station (and an achievement vendor if you are into that kind of thing). I also seemed to have gotten a lot more skill points out of them. The story itself was pretty good too, though I guess that's a matter of tastes.
I would agree with you though that the landscape content needs a higher level of difficulty that challenges your character. Currently, it's just way too easy. Outside of Dragons - and some cheesy world boss with an OP kill shot - everything else just dies too easily. They need to introduce veteran content for the landscape as they do with dungeons.Edited by Jeremy on November 4, 2019 10:32PM1 -
whitecrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think people just get burnt out. I've been playing every day since 2016 and I've been feeling it for a while now. I play when there's new content but other than that I just log on for rewards and maybe mess around for a little bit. I used to run trials every other night with a trials guild but I got burnt out on that and now that guild has gone into suspended animation due to lack of interest. Only one of my five guilds is still somewhat active. Currently I am trying to make S. Elsweyr last by focusing more on the event.1 -
_Salty_✭✭✭✭✭I played for the first time since August on Saturday. After 10 to 15 minutes I turned it off and put Black Desert Online back on.
While Zos Has created an amazing World to get lost in but the constant changes to mechanics and combat has made the game stale.
Also back to back Aldemeri chapters and force feeding dungeon packs on us through 1 year story arcs doesn't sit well with me.
Even a well deserved trip to Skyrim might not be enough to get me back full time.Psn l---Salty---l
Patiently waiting to make a Stankcromancer.6 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Funny how alcast called what games people went to. I def went to destiny 2.
Come Tuesday it might drop even more, red dead 2 online coming out4 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Because zos is trashing the game. It's that simple to explain why.
They can't a game like that.4 -
StrykerGamingSoul ShrivenSome streamers are moving on to other games.
Well, I'm not moving on to other games. ESO is one of my favorite games I enjoy streaming. It's superior to the other fantasy games like 'Neverwinter' or 'Dungeon and Dragons Online.'4 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭another one that keeps yelling in the middle of the street that "THE END IS COMING!"...King Emeric shouldn't had dismantle that guillotine
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shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭Maybe they'll come back after the performance fixes in 2020. Personally, I don't see myself being more than casually logging on to do random things in game as I'm done with the constant combat changes and useless nerfs. It's just like the racial passives, they create unnecessary changes and shuffle things around without actually solving anything, it's just nonsense. They go buff one thing then nerf it to bits immediately next patch, and they nerf multiple things at a time so we don't know what's effective. Maybe there will be a new class next expac. I'm waiting for the level 50 character boosts to go with the skyshards and skill lines packs so I can just roll a new alt like it's pts but you know, paid for with IRL money and on live.1
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Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭OMG can they please close this thread.
Everyone playing a handful of broken/exploiting cookiecutter builds made this game broken and bland. They fixed it, get over it, and move on.
80-100k dps burning through vet content to the point that you don't need heals or tank is broken. Nuff said it got nerfed. Get over it.7 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭StrykerGaming wrote: »
^This^
No other MMO gives you more lore than ESO. No other MMO let's you play as a werewolf or Vampire. No other MMO looks nearly as good or has better combat mechanics as ESO.
The all screaming "The End is Nigh!" Will be the first to preorder the next expansion
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siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OMG can they please close this thread.
Everyone playing a handful of broken/exploiting cookiecutter builds made this game broken and bland. They fixed it, get over it, and move on.
80-100k dps burning through vet content to the point that you don't need heals or tank is broken. Nuff said it got nerfed. Get over it.
[snip] No one, not a single person said it's because of nerfs. [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on December 29, 2024 1:48PM"Knee-jerk reactionist."
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MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭A lot of top players have dwindled on Xbox EU. End game capable are down to the same 150 people or so I would say.
People are sick of the nerfs1 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StrykerGaming wrote: »
^This^
No other MMO gives you more lore than ESO. No other MMO let's you play as a werewolf or Vampire. No other MMO looks nearly as good or has better combat mechanics as ESO.
The all screaming "The End is Nigh!" Will be the first to preorder the next expansion
Warcraft lore is more fleshed out and character driven (lore where it matters). Eso has more side lore.
Current wow easily holds its own against ESO, its a different art style, but nothing in ESO can touch the grand scale of Suramar or Boralus. Eso trades a higher poly count for increased fidelity at the cost of large group play, city size, and computing resources. Wow uses a lesser poly count to increase the players in a zone, larger group play, larger cities and more content inside a zone.
You can play a Worgen in wow (a werewolf) and transform at your leisure between human and worgen. You can also play most classes.
No playable vampires in wow.
I would argue that combat mechanics feel more unique in wow. In eso it feels like everything is the same. Wow has am MUCH higher spell count/ability count than ESO. Heck one wow class has more spells than 3 ESO classes combined.
I play both games. I like ESO for housing and it pretty much stops there. Everything else I prefer in wow. That is not to say I don't have my criticisms about wow, I very much do but to say there are no other MMO's that compete with ESO, when in fact ESO is not even near the top is just laughable.3 -
mimisapje✭✭✭I had a short eso break when scalebreaker dropped. I main a healer, and running vet dlc dungeons wasn't fun anymore. I felt useless with my current setup. All i did was do ele drain and combat prayer. The dd's self care was more than enough the sustain the whole group. So it was just boring for me. I like having a challenge while healing, and with that patch it was gone (for me at least)
Playing another was an option, but i was just so frustrated that i couldn't play my main properly, that I needed a break.
Questing was also no option, as i did all that already on my main char.
A week after dragonhold dropped to PC I came back, and i'm enjoying it again with my healer.
I personally don't mind changes to classes and skills that much, cause it gives us some change of gameplay. Ofcourse I'm not happy with all of the changes, but that won't stop me completely from playing this game. I'll groan& whine, but i'll adapt.
If PVE is changed to much too my liking, i'll play a bit more PVP, and vice versa.PC EU
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Odovacar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭First off for me ....I've done too much in this game to just up and leave, regardless of the craziness. In fact, I'll be the last PS4 player in Mournhold before they turn these servers off for good whenever that day comes, lol.
As for players leaving... my only take on it is from the folks I have played with who left. I've had some PS4 friends who were some of the best players I've ever ran with just hang it up like nothing. We all ask ...so why are you leaving? Some left for PC (good choice, lol) some have left because they cannot dedicate themselves to it like they used to (also very good life decision) and quite frankly some left because they were bored.
At the end of the day we will never know players TRUE reason for leaving but one thing I do know (and ZOS) is at the moment this game is a revolving door. Some leave more join the adventure.0 -
JahneeO✭✭✭Xbone NA here. And I don’t know man. I’m in 4 guilds, two have a waiting list one is over 450 and the other is over 400. I personally don’t see people leaving in droves. Almost always lfg posts in group chat. But, I am also a PvE guy with like guilds maybe it’s different for PvP idk. Most zones seem pretty active to me as well during the Witches Festival. Game seems pretty healthy from my recliner. *shrug*1 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭Good players are leaving the game,
Bad players are doing the same,
My opinion on it
is this game is [snip]
Potential was there, what a shame.
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on December 29, 2024 1:47PMII Blinkin II
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"A man without the sauce is lost, but the same man can become lost in the sauce."5 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭StrykerGaming wrote: »
^This^
No other MMO gives you more lore than ESO. No other MMO let's you play as a werewolf or Vampire. No other MMO looks nearly as good or has better combat mechanics as ESO.
The all screaming "The End is Nigh!" Will be the first to preorder the next expansion
Warcraft lore is more fleshed out and character driven (lore where it matters). Eso has more side lore.
Current wow easily holds its own against ESO, its a different art style, but nothing in ESO can touch the grand scale of Suramar or Boralus. Eso trades a higher poly count for increased fidelity at the cost of large group play, city size, and computing resources. Wow uses a lesser poly count to increase the players in a zone, larger group play, larger cities and more content inside a zone.
You can play a Worgen in wow (a werewolf) and transform at your leisure between human and worgen. You can also play most classes.
No playable vampires in wow.
I would argue that combat mechanics feel more unique in wow. In eso it feels like everything is the same. Wow has am MUCH higher spell count/ability count than ESO. Heck one wow class has more spells than 3 ESO classes combined.
I play both games. I like ESO for housing and it pretty much stops there. Everything else I prefer in wow. That is not to say I don't have my criticisms about wow, I very much do but to say there are no other MMO's that compete with ESO, when in fact ESO is not even near the top is just laughable.
I played wow since beta up until
the end of Cataclysm. It is no unique at all. There are MANY mmo that use the same fighting mechanics as WoW (Everquest,COH/COV, Champions Online, Warhammer Online, ect ect.)
Lore in Wow is not nearly as fleshed out. When the game came out there was hardly any lore. Infact in took them 6 years to figure out who came first the Night elves or the Trolls. And as for book wise there are more Elder scrolls books than WoW by a mile.
Worgen vs Werewolf in eso is not even a comparison. Worgen in WoW is a race and very limited in what it can do. Not once in did I feel like a werewolf. You can shift between Worgen and human anytime you want true, but when combat happens you revert to worgen automatically with no difference in buff or damage compared to you human form. It is bland. Eso werewolf is a template that can be added to any race while still giving you a option to fight as your class and race while still having the werewolf as a optional playstyle anytime you want it.
Wow does have a higher spell count, but is still severely limited. In wow there is only what 3 classes that can play all three roles(Tank, Healer,Dps) and a lot that can perform only 1 role (Mage, Warlock,Rogue, Hunter). If you wanted to do side by side comparison to a Wow Mage vs Eso Sorcerer the Sorcerer is more versatile with fewer spells than the Wow mage can ever be. Not only can it be a Fire, Frost, and Arcane mage it can also fill the rolls of tank, healer and dps while still having variations of Fire, Frost, and Arcane for those roles. Further more it can go on to be a warrior type and choose to use a mix of magicka and stamina abilities.
Wow is a great game. I played both as I said., but it still can not offer what ESO does.
As for myself I got sick of the rat race that is wow and moved to eso to get away from it. Never looked back too.
Getting gear to get more gear to get more gear is not a fun time. Plus not to mention that 90% of WoW raids require 3rd party add ins to be able to finish said raid. No thank you.
P.S. Also like to mention that though ESO has nerfed/changed class skills and abilites(which WoW has done, but more severely)it has never straight up removed MANY skills from the game, Unlike WoW has.Edited by Rampeal on November 6, 2019 7:22AM3 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭After I unlocked all skills on my character I lost motivation to play. I like making new builds is all.
Been playing destiny 2 since ti went free to play last month.
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭Most people I know in PC EU (including myself) took a break and waiting for the Q1 2020 improvements that have been promised by ZOS. We like the game very much but current server stability issues and constant balance changes forced us to take a break. I'm OK with balance changes, they can be good or bad but it can't happen every 3 months.1 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭OMG can they please close this thread.
Everyone playing a handful of broken/exploiting cookiecutter builds made this game broken and bland. They fixed it, get over it, and move on.
80-100k dps burning through vet content to the point that you don't need heals or tank is broken. Nuff said it got nerfed. Get over it.
[snip] No one, not a single person said it's because of nerfs. [snip]
Literally the first page I found 4 complaining that people were leaving because nerfs. Even the OP mentioned it.
[snip]
[edited for flaming & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on December 29, 2024 1:49PM2 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OMG can they please close this thread.
Everyone playing a handful of broken/exploiting cookiecutter builds made this game broken and bland. They fixed it, get over it, and move on.
80-100k dps burning through vet content to the point that you don't need heals or tank is broken. Nuff said it got nerfed. Get over it.
[snip] No one, not a single person said it's because of nerfs. [snip]
Literally the first page I found 4 complaining that people were leaving because nerfs. Even the OP mentioned it.
[snip]
Lol, this is where you prove my point. I am the OP, you didn't even know that. Everyone says it's not the nerfs, it's the directionless attitude of ZOS.
But no, tell me more.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on December 29, 2024 1:50PM"Knee-jerk reactionist."
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GraphicArtistYT✭✭✭So, what's the plan? All the big guilds seem to be disbanding or have disbanded on PS4, I have heard of an exodus pre dragonhold on PC as well. All the veteran players seem to have lost interest or just stopped bothering.
It's getting harder to find a good group to even do vSS. Forget vCR. Yes, there are a few groups running around doing the hardest content but it seems a huge number of population has given way.
Is this the beginning of the end? I've played on PC since 2015 and on PS4 since 2018. Things haven't been so dismal in the past 4-plus years.
P.S, I understand dps dropped considerably this patch making the end game harder than before. But most of that content was being done with even less of a damage output when it came out.
Is it perhaps because of the absolute clueless attitude of ZOS? Like triggering people because they can't figure out what they are doing patch after patch?
I'm just trying to figure out if I should invest more time and money or maybe finally move on and wait for a new Elder Scrolls
Edit: no this is not a I quit thread. I still love this game and hope that I am wrong about my feelings.
They ruined the DPS. Rip ESO0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just becuause there is a lot of content doesn’t mean it’s good content.
I do not think content has anything to do with it. Heck, Zos has provided the best quality new PvE content over the past few years compared to the current major MMORPGs active today. Granted, that does not mean it meets everyone's interest but is has been better than what WoW and FF have provided by far.
With playing ESO there has been a high degree of change in combat each year because Zos has not been able to make up their mind. This past year Zos has been pushing the limits of the amount of change player can handle and it has caused heavy change fatigue. As someone who has played this game for almost 6 years I can say I am tired of all these changes.3 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭Just becuause there is a lot of content doesn’t mean it’s good content.
I do not think content has anything to do with it. Heck, Zos has provided the best quality new PvE content over the past few years compared to the current major MMORPGs active today. Granted, that does not mean it meets everyone's interest but is has been better than what WoW and FF have provided by far.
With playing ESO there has been a high degree of change in combat each year because Zos has not been able to make up their mind. This past year Zos has been pushing the limits of the amount of change player can handle and it has caused heavy change fatigue. As someone who has played this game for almost 6 years I can say I am tired of all these changes.
I do not Blame ZoS as much as I blame the Meta. When these streamers and youtubers come out and say that only these X,Y,Z sets are Viable and Only these X,Y,Z skills are Viable and their fan base follow the cookie cutter builds.
Soon everyone starts running the same sets and skills not only dominating pvp with them in PvP, But also PvE. And in this lies the problem. The community starts to demand you run these builds and shame you for playing your own build. It starts to alienate a majority of the community, because many don't like to be told how to play.
So ZoS comes in tries to Balance it with other skills, but they over do it so have to adjust and we get forums like this with the Cookie Cutter players complaining and it starts all over again.
It has been going this way since the first patch and will continue until the end of the game. No different than any other MMO. If you really don't like it than maybe MMOs are not for you. Because this is the nature of the beast.0 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So, what's the plan? All the big guilds seem to be disbanding or have disbanded on PS4, I have heard of an exodus pre dragonhold on PC as well. All the veteran players seem to have lost interest or just stopped bothering.
It's getting harder to find a good group to even do vSS. Forget vCR. Yes, there are a few groups running around doing the hardest content but it seems a huge number of population has given way.
You may know a few cases but why do you generalize this? Your assumptions are wrong. Way wrong.
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just becuause there is a lot of content doesn’t mean it’s good content.
I do not think content has anything to do with it. Heck, Zos has provided the best quality new PvE content over the past few years compared to the current major MMORPGs active today. Granted, that does not mean it meets everyone's interest but is has been better than what WoW and FF have provided by far.
With playing ESO there has been a high degree of change in combat each year because Zos has not been able to make up their mind. This past year Zos has been pushing the limits of the amount of change player can handle and it has caused heavy change fatigue. As someone who has played this game for almost 6 years I can say I am tired of all these changes.
I do not Blame ZoS as much as I blame the Meta. When these streamers and youtubers come out and say that only these X,Y,Z sets are Viable and Only these X,Y,Z skills are Viable and their fan base follow the cookie cutter builds.
Soon everyone starts running the same sets and skills not only dominating pvp with them in PvP, But also PvE. And in this lies the problem. The community starts to demand you run these builds and shame you for playing your own build. It starts to alienate a majority of the community, because many don't like to be told how to play.
So ZoS comes in tries to Balance it with other skills, but they over do it so have to adjust and we get forums like this with the Cookie Cutter players complaining and it starts all over again.
It has been going this way since the first patch and will continue until the end of the game. No different than any other MMO. If you really don't like it than maybe MMOs are not for you. Because this is the nature of the beast.
This happens for every MMO. However, the other MMOs manage to avoid the continuous fail-roller-coaster that happens in ESO.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Still no genuine stats to back up the premise of this post.
It’s all apocryphal and, thus, irrelevant. Only ZOS know the reality of player numbers and you sense that even they don’t trust the data as they would surely ensure that the servers were capable of meeting demand if they did.
Just to refute the basic assumption that fewer people are playing. You will always notice when someone around you, who you are familiar with, leaves. You will only rarely notice when a new player joins.
The same with guilds. You will notice when a guild you are familiar with closes, you won’t necessarily notice the new one(s) that take its place.
The guilds I was in saw a massive surge in members when guild finder was introduced. They’ve all been at near capacity ever since and there is a very regular culling of inactive players to free up guild slots.
TL:DR show me the numbers3 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Still no genuine stats to back up the premise of this post.
It’s all apocryphal and, thus, irrelevant. Only ZOS know the reality of player numbers and you sense that even they don’t trust the data as they would surely ensure that the servers were capable of meeting demand if they did.
Just to refute the basic assumption that fewer people are playing. You will always notice when someone around you, who you are familiar with, leaves. You will only rarely notice when a new player joins.
The same with guilds. You will notice when a guild you are familiar with closes, you won’t necessarily notice the new one(s) that take its place.
The guilds I was in saw a massive surge in members when guild finder was introduced. They’ve all been at near capacity ever since and there is a very regular culling of inactive players to free up guild slots.
TL:DR show me the numbers
Tldr, just look at PvP. It doesn't take much to realize half the game, the PvP side, the side they advertise super hard at release is shriveled up and dying.
Another post saying there is no proof from you position with your head under a rock and buried in the sand8