Toxic potatoes in dungeon finder

Goregrinder · October 2019

Yeah pretty much a typical PVEer. Will kick you because...why not?

DoonerSeraph · October 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’ve been “kicked” for being a dps who runs ahead and kills everything in a normal dungeon.

I’ve been kicked for a being a dps who wasn’t dps enough.

I’ve been kicked because I didn’t say hello when the group first formed.

I’ve been kicked right as we begin fighting the last boss for who knows what reason.

I cried every time.

The last one is to open space for one of their buddies, who needed either the clear, helmet or XP.

There's a special place in hell for people who do that.

Ksariyu · October 2019

Kurat wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

Nice attitude. I guess you rather wait 30 min for another tank than just get the dungeon done. But you are probably too low dps that you need tank's 2-3k input lmao. This is exactly why not many ppl wanna tank pugs, entitled dps teaches how to tank. If you are so great then why dont you tank yourself instead waiting 30 min in queue as dps.

Nice attitude. Obviously because someone plays DPS means they can't be annoyed when the other roles aren't doing their job.

I'm not saying DPS players can't cause issues (And admittedly most of the issues caused are by DPS, simply because there are SO many more of them), but half the responses in this thread show the tanks and healers are no better when it comes to being toxic and expecting other people to carry them. Role is irrelevant.

Let's be real here, the problem isn't the dungeon finder. It's people. People are trash for the most part, and I can't imagine anyone playing an MMO doesn't know this. And to the OP, get over it. The playerbase is dying, and for the most part it's only the trolls that are left.

StrandedMonkey · October 2019

Ksariyu wrote: »

Let's be real here, the problem isn't the dungeon finder. It's people. People are trash for the most part, and I can't imagine anyone playing an MMO doesn't know this. And to the OP, get over it. The playerbase is dying, and for the most part it's only the trolls that are left.

i want to see your support to this statement

mairwen85 · October 2019

You shouldn't make fries with those. Just saying.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · October 2019

Completely with you OP. I'm saying this as someone who is himself a potato DPS.

But that is why I switched to tank and now that I'm in a role I can actually make progress in...

Yeah.

I think a lot of ESO's group finder problems could be solved overnight if people just accepted that they play better as tank/healer.

I firmly believe most sub-par DPS players would perform quite well in tank/healer roles, if only they were willing to make the switch.

kargen27 · October 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’ve been “kicked” for being a dps who runs ahead and kills everything in a normal dungeon.

I’ve been kicked for a being a dps who wasn’t dps enough.

I’ve been kicked because I didn’t say hello when the group first formed.

I’ve been kicked right as we begin fighting the last boss for who knows what reason.

I cried every time.

You should be kicked for running ahead. The other players didn't join to be your cheerleaders they joined to participate.

kathandira · October 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’ve been “kicked” for being a dps who runs ahead and kills everything in a normal dungeon.

I’ve been kicked for a being a dps who wasn’t dps enough.

I’ve been kicked because I didn’t say hello when the group first formed.

I’ve been kicked right as we begin fighting the last boss for who knows what reason.

I cried every time.

You should be kicked for running ahead. The other players didn't join to be your cheerleaders they joined to participate.

PuG is the perfect environment for the chaos of 4 people 'Playing Their Way". If you want to play with like minded players, create your own group. If you join a PuG, you are at risk of someone not being like minded, and may do things in a way you dislike.

In Non-DLC Normal dungeons (and Some DLC ones) I will happily run ahead and slaughter everything. But! I wait at the bosses. That is my compromise. I won't take away a chance at Gear from the people, and If there is a quest, I stop at the check points and wait to see if anything is doing it. But I will burn through the trash because..well..it's trash. When I can kill Trash with nothing more than 2 quick AoEs, I'm not waiting.

Lady_Linux · October 2019

NERF Group finder. No more GF for anyone. Solo FG1 every day instead. Problem solved.

Casul · October 2019

I'll say this much. I was tank before this year. After doing DPS now my view has changed. I would expect 10-15k from tank.

Kurat · October 2019

Question for all smart dps here.

Ok we all know that tank is supposed to hold aggro, keep the boss as still as possible, debuff bla bla etc. Also tank is supposed to be self sustaining and stay alive without a healer.
Now alot of entitled dpslings here also expect tank to do fair amount dps (20k someone mentioned lmao). So the question is, why the f do I need you in the dungeon with me then? To act as my pet?

karekiz · October 2019

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

What class tank are you?

Where is your Major Fracture coming from Caltrops I guess? And Ele drain <If healer isn't casting?> Unless your a necro I guess and hope someone synergizes which in pugs isn't 100%. I have no idea why you would use Ransack in a Vet 4 man. The extra tankyness is hugely not needed.

ketsparrowhawk · October 2019

Was tanking vet Spindleclutch 1 one day. First mob pull, the cp 500+ magsorc DD is kiting/fighting individual mobs around the room.. then starts complaining that I'm not taunting them off of him. I politely explained that all he needs to do is stand close to the group and spam AOE and it'll be gucci. He Lolled at me and said I have no idea how tanking works. Continued fighting mobs in this fashion for the entire dungeon. I'm guessing a WoW transplant? Anyway.. dude could not be reasoned with. Simply refused to believe that I was fulfilling my role properly, and talked trash the entire dungeon.. which took like an hour because his DPS rotation consisted of: hard cast frags > hard cast frags > hard cast frags > etc. I suggested changing up the rotation, so he got mad and refused to fight at all on the final boss. The other DD was like CP 120 noob (no business in vet but whatev) so DPS was basically non-existent. It's an easy enough dung so me and the healer just powered through, but it took forever just because this dude thinks he's already a pro.

Anyway.. people, amirite?

kargen27 · October 2019

kathandira wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’ve been “kicked” for being a dps who runs ahead and kills everything in a normal dungeon.

I’ve been kicked for a being a dps who wasn’t dps enough.

I’ve been kicked because I didn’t say hello when the group first formed.

I’ve been kicked right as we begin fighting the last boss for who knows what reason.

I cried every time.

You should be kicked for running ahead. The other players didn't join to be your cheerleaders they joined to participate.

PuG is the perfect environment for the chaos of 4 people 'Playing Their Way". If you want to play with like minded players, create your own group. If you join a PuG, you are at risk of someone not being like minded, and may do things in a way you dislike.

In Non-DLC Normal dungeons (and Some DLC ones) I will happily run ahead and slaughter everything. But! I wait at the bosses. That is my compromise. I won't take away a chance at Gear from the people, and If there is a quest, I stop at the check points and wait to see if anything is doing it. But I will burn through the trash because..well..it's trash. When I can kill Trash with nothing more than 2 quick AoEs, I'm not waiting.

That is essentially my argument. You want to play your way create your own group. You wanna run ahead form a group of people that want to chase you. If you sign up to be a part of a group be a part of that group. You happily running ahead is denying others their chance to enjoy the experience. Might be time for you to step up to vet content if you can't wait for players that are not able to simply AoE trash on the way by.

Glurin · October 2019

karekiz wrote: »

I have no idea why you would use Ransack in a Vet 4 man. The extra tankyness is hugely not needed.

PUGs.

Those "elite" builds you see on youtube or other websites that everybody treats like some kind of sacred doctrine don't take PUGs into account. They're built for well oiled groups (or at least semi-competent) that can take full advantage of the teamwork. PUGs are different. You'll often find yourself in groups where you do need extra tankyness. Sometimes a lot of extra tankyness. Sometimes even if you're not actually the tank.

(For the record, I don't use Ransack. Just saying I can understand why someone would.)

NordSwordnBoard · October 2019

Member when you could choose all three roles for yourself?

Member when you had to form a group out of zone chat bc the finder was so much worse than now?

gatekeeper13 · October 2019

Glurin wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

I have no idea why you would use Ransack in a Vet 4 man. The extra tankyness is hugely not needed.

PUGs.

Those "elite" builds you see on youtube or other websites that everybody treats like some kind of sacred doctrine don't take PUGs into account. They're built for well oiled groups (or at least semi-competent) that can take full advantage of the teamwork. PUGs are different. You'll often find yourself in groups where you do need extra tankyness. Sometimes a lot of extra tankyness. Sometimes even if you're not actually the tank.

(For the record, I don't use Ransack. Just saying I can understand why someone would.)

Ransack is totally useless and its extra tankyness is not needed, in my opinion. The Major Breach loss has big impact in group DPS, especially if both your DDs are magicka based while the benefit you get from Minor Protection is not worth mentioning. You can still mitigate that dmg very easily with shields like Sun Shield or Igneous Shield or Defensive Stance or whatever and still apply Major Breach/Fracture with Puncture. Selfish tanks create more problem in a group than benefiting it. And I speak as someone whose main role is a tank and secondary a DD. Cause in a tough situation, extra dmg mitigation wont save you if the DDs are in huge stress and the boss doesnt die.

My opinion has nothing to do with what "elitists" and "youtubers" pass a sacred doctrine. Totally agree that their builds dont work in PUGs most of the time but only in well organized groups with good healers and good DDs that can actually communicate and cooperate. Try doing Moon Hunter keep with an "elitist's" tank build in a PUG where the healer is pure crap and see how it goes

srfrogg23 · October 2019

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Look at it this way, you don’t have to wait to requeue, and those trash dps won’t be getting a new tank any time soon

True, but already wasted 10+ minutes.

It's better than losing 2 hours to a group that can't be bothered to do mechanics and doesn't dps hard enough to skip mechanics.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

GallantGuardian · October 2019

Was tanking fungal grotto normal with a a group finder group two days ago... one dps who came in as a healer (which we didn’t need but he still did it just to get in faster you can already see what kinda player he was and no not a smart one)... ran ahead of the whole group and beat the final boss before we could catch up with him cause the other two players were low cp ... so I wanted to make sure they weren’t dying ...

He beats final boss we didn’t get credit ... no gold plunder etc..

Bottom line people are jerks ... Wish more people who joined a groups would understand they aren’t the only one there

kathandira · October 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

I'll say this much. I was tank before this year. After doing DPS now my view has changed. I would expect 10-15k from tank.

All I really expect from a Tank, is to group things up in a tight pack, and keep them taunted.

DPS Should do enough damage to kill thing

kargen27 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I’ve been “kicked” for being a dps who runs ahead and kills everything in a normal dungeon.

I’ve been kicked for a being a dps who wasn’t dps enough.

I’ve been kicked because I didn’t say hello when the group first formed.

I’ve been kicked right as we begin fighting the last boss for who knows what reason.

I cried every time.

You should be kicked for running ahead. The other players didn't join to be your cheerleaders they joined to participate.

PuG is the perfect environment for the chaos of 4 people 'Playing Their Way". If you want to play with like minded players, create your own group. If you join a PuG, you are at risk of someone not being like minded, and may do things in a way you dislike.

In Non-DLC Normal dungeons (and Some DLC ones) I will happily run ahead and slaughter everything. But! I wait at the bosses. That is my compromise. I won't take away a chance at Gear from the people, and If there is a quest, I stop at the check points and wait to see if anything is doing it. But I will burn through the trash because..well..it's trash. When I can kill Trash with nothing more than 2 quick AoEs, I'm not waiting.

That is essentially my argument. You want to play your way create your own group. You wanna run ahead form a group of people that want to chase you. If you sign up to be a part of a group be a part of that group. You happily running ahead is denying others their chance to enjoy the experience. Might be time for you to step up to vet content if you can't wait for players that are not able to simply AoE trash on the way by.

Thats what I meant about the chaos of “play your own way”. I want to play a certain way, but you also want to play a certain way. The two others may want to play their way. But in a PuG, it is basically “anything goes”. Out of 4 players, whos way should you play?

The answer most will choose is, their own way.

In a PuG you suck it up and go with the flow. Otherwise you can leave and create your own group.

kathandira · October 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Was tanking fungal grotto normal with a a group finder group two days ago... one dps who came in as a healer (which we didn’t need but he still did it just to get in faster you can already see what kinda player he was and no not a smart one)... ran ahead of the whole group and beat the final boss before we could catch up with him cause the other two players were low cp ... so I wanted to make sure they weren’t dying ...

He beats final boss we didn’t get credit ... no gold plunder etc..

Bottom line people are jerks ... Wish more people who joined a groups would understand they aren’t the only one there

That is where I draw the line on running ahead. I wait for quests, and bosses.

ForzaRammer · October 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

I'll say this much. I was tank before this year. After doing DPS now my view has changed. I would expect 10-15k from tank.

Lol I cleared vss hm and vcr hm on my actual pve tank with about 3k dps. So clearly tank doesn’t need that in easier content.

Bucky Balls · October 2019

I think many of difficulties described arise because some players imagine themselves to be more proficient in their role or more knowledgeable than they actually are( I have been here, too, but am thankful of those who took the time to correct my misconceptions). I don't think it's simply a pride or even arrogance issue, some of these genuinely believe they are 'better'. I find random groups populated with such individuals to be particularly difficult because of this error in their judgement and no amount of 'everyone familiar with mechanics here or should we discuss this a bit?' will help as they almost never answer except with some derogatory remark or just jumping right in.

On the odd occasion I've been kicked from such groups for not 'healing' (while 95% healing + tanking + 60%+ dps; and I'm terrible at dps so totals are desperately low) or not 'tanking' (while consistently scraping their squishy remains from the floor of the last giant red aoe they shouldn't have stood in) I take it as a blessing.

I don't mean this as a slur to such players, it's simply personal observation and, in fairness, such groups are actually very rare.

idk · October 2019

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Member when you could choose all three roles for yourself?

Member when you had to form a group out of zone chat bc the finder was so much worse than now?

Or from guild, But yes,

It was a dumb and pointless idea Zos had to restrict us to only one role we could queue for since many of us can perform multiple roles properly on the same character.

And I do remember how pitiful the GF was at launched. The first two people that queued for the same dungeon that could be put together were put together. Often it was two dps. It was like a failed intern project and I took that as a sign of the amazing leadership Matt Firor brought to Zos and ESO.

ForzaRammer · October 2019

Dalsinthus wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

BalmoraRatgirl wrote: »

This kind ofsituation IS annoying, but you were a bit rude and, honestly, as a healer, if the group DPS is too low I usually switch out a skill or two and contribute as much as I can to the DPS while still doing my original job. Pick up gorups are about adapting to (usually) less-than-optimal situations. If you want a problem free run, ask guild mates to group with you.

Oh no, i was not rude, they were saying something like 'tank go attack, don't just stand there'.
I was watching nba highlight and poking the boss once every 15 second.
They complained about me not doing nuf dmg first.

I was supportive until I read this. Were you doing anything beyond taunting? Debuffing the boss? Buffing their damage/sustain or healing them? Putting out some damage? It sounds like you attention wasn't really on the dungeon and you were doing the minimum.

But that said the people you were grouped with sound like idiots. Damage is pretty far down the list of things I look for from a tank.

It’s random normal. Why should i need to do anything other than taunt the boss? Ofc i was just doing the minimum. I was watching nbalights on my phone. They were doing 4 digit dps, if anything they were doing less than the minimum.

D0PAMINE · October 2019

Glurin wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

I have no idea why you would use Ransack in a Vet 4 man. The extra tankyness is hugely not needed.

PUGs.

Those "elite" builds you see on youtube or other websites that everybody treats like some kind of sacred doctrine don't take PUGs into account. They're built for well oiled groups (or at least semi-competent) that can take full advantage of the teamwork. PUGs are different. You'll often find yourself in groups where you do need extra tankyness. Sometimes a lot of extra tankyness. Sometimes even if you're not actually the tank.

(For the record, I don't use Ransack. Just saying I can understand why someone would.)

I agree. If someone can tank properly with the build they're usimg, than it's a non issue. By Tank properly, I mean taunt, hold boss when possible, chain or taunt problem adds and prefferably root or snare them, and debuff untauntable or hard hitters with maim if possible as well.

It's usually easier to run a premade through content until you have it down. With that said, I personally don't kick if they're trying. I only kick if they start insulting people. If everyone is trying but the clear won't happen, I politely leave. We were all new once. Everyone has their own way of doing things, and if it works, it works.

FierceSam · October 2019

ForzaRammer wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

Nice attitude. I guess you rather wait 30 min for another tank than just get the dungeon done. But you are probably too low dps that you need tank's 2-3k input lmao. This is exactly why not many ppl wanna tank pugs, entitled dps teaches how to tank. If you are so great then why dont you tank yourself instead waiting 30 min in queue as dps.

I can do 20k dps on my Tank just fine in most Craglorn VET trials, so git gut mate and l2p.
And my main chars are Tanks, who can outdps most of the pug dpses, so there is that

I am sure crag vets is something to brag about XD.
I have cleared all the dlc hm vet. So I don’t think I need to l2p how to tank basic dungeons.

I would suggest that you do need to learn some basic manners.

You’ve definitely spent more time being really, really angry about a one time dungeon experience, which basically boils down to “they were rude to you and you were rude right back”.

Aside from venting your rage, I’m not sure what you want this thread to accomplish.

ForzaRammer · October 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

Nice attitude. I guess you rather wait 30 min for another tank than just get the dungeon done. But you are probably too low dps that you need tank's 2-3k input lmao. This is exactly why not many ppl wanna tank pugs, entitled dps teaches how to tank. If you are so great then why dont you tank yourself instead waiting 30 min in queue as dps.

I can do 20k dps on my Tank just fine in most Craglorn VET trials, so git gut mate and l2p.
And my main chars are Tanks, who can outdps most of the pug dpses, so there is that

I am sure crag vets is something to brag about XD.
I have cleared all the dlc hm vet. So I don’t think I need to l2p how to tank basic dungeons.

I would suggest that you do need to learn some basic manners.

You’ve definitely spent more time being really, really angry about a one time dungeon experience, which basically boils down to “they were rude to you and you were rude right back”.

Aside from venting your rage, I’m not sure what you want this thread to accomplish.

My goal is to split up the que so i don't have to play with these potatoes. i rather play with the 'elitist' which i almost never have problem with.

Casul · October 2019

ForzaRammer wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

I'll say this much. I was tank before this year. After doing DPS now my view has changed. I would expect 10-15k from tank.

Lol I cleared vss hm and vcr hm on my actual pve tank with about 3k dps. So clearly tank doesn’t need that in easier content.

Never said it was needed. Just my expectations having played both roles.

Drdeath20 · October 2019

Games too far gone. Core game designs that cannot be fixed are really to blame.

Some non dlc vet dungeons are laughably easy as compared to some dlc dungeons that really require coordination. Cant blame the new players for just wanting to group up and play and lets be real normal dungeon mode is a complete joke to the point that it is not even fun to play.

I think eso is an amazing game but it really falls apart when it comes to end game and replayability. Eso is the best MMO out there now but that doesnt mean its not riddled with poor game design choices that stifles balance, replayability, pvp, and other end game activities.