I think many DD doesn't understand their role, which is essential in vet. Tank hold the boss in place and debuff it. Healer heal and buff group.
Everything else is DD's responsibility. DD need to do damage of course, but it is also their job to rez, and their job to deal with quacky mechanic of the boss. Like interrupting them when they try to do a one hit kill, unwrapping other when they are webbed, killing adds when they spawn, or dealing with mechanic that involve a lot of running around. Not only that, the DD also need to be close to each other as much as possible in order for the healer to maximize their heal.
What I'm trying to say is there are a lot of DD out there who don't fully understand their role, so best to group with guild member.

TempPlayer wrote: »

I think many DD doesn't understand their role, which is essential in vet. Tank hold the boss in place and debuff it. Healer heal and buff group.
Everything else is DD's responsibility. DD need to do damage of course, but it is also their job to rez, and their job to deal with quacky mechanic of the boss. Like interrupting them when they try to do a one hit kill, unwrapping other when they are webbed, killing adds when they spawn, or dealing with mechanic that involve a lot of running around. Not only that, the DD also need to be close to each other as much as possible in order for the healer to maximize their heal.
What I'm trying to say is there are a lot of DD out there who don't fully understand their role, so best to group with guild member.

I can certainly attest to that. There's a lot of DPS out there who think their one and only job is to get super high numbers on the damage meter. This has never been the case in any MMO I've ever played. Some tasks vary between titles, and sometimes between patches to those titles, like buffs/debuffs or interupts or CC. But some tasks are consistent. Damage, yes, but also things like not standing in the stupid or handling special boss or group mechanics.

As far as ESO is concerned, there's been several times in PUGS where, as the tank, I've found myself having to be the one to rez the dead DPS because the other one just won't do it and the healer is too busy keeping that one and myself alive. I don't think I need to explain why putting the rez responsibility on the tank is a bad idea. Suffice to say that unless I think I can pull it of and it's worth taking the risk, I won't do it.

ForzaRammer wrote: »

BalmoraRatgirl wrote: »

This kind ofsituation IS annoying, but you were a bit rude and, honestly, as a healer, if the group DPS is too low I usually switch out a skill or two and contribute as much as I can to the DPS while still doing my original job. Pick up gorups are about adapting to (usually) less-than-optimal situations. If you want a problem free run, ask guild mates to group with you.

Oh no, i was not rude, they were saying something like 'tank go attack, don't just stand there'.
I was watching nba highlight and poking the boss once every 15 second.
They complained about me not doing nuf dmg first.

I think you kind of were. You could have chosen to make their damage better by debuffing things and actually being present instead of acting like it was all on them. Though they were rude first.

ForzaRammer wrote: »

These ppl doing 4 digit dps and want tank to attack and do damage, when i tell them i am a tank it is not my job they just kick.

Srsly zos, this dungeon finder is so anti tank. Can we please have a 2 tier que so i get to play with half decent players only?

Spare me some pain, so i don't need to deal with these ppl. I don't see toxic elitist, all i see is entiled potato abuse the system.

Dust yourself off, and get back in the rodeo.

RouDeR wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

Nice attitude. I guess you rather wait 30 min for another tank than just get the dungeon done. But you are probably too low dps that you need tank's 2-3k input lmao. This is exactly why not many ppl wanna tank pugs, entitled dps teaches how to tank. If you are so great then why dont you tank yourself instead waiting 30 min in queue as dps.

I can do 20k dps on my Tank just fine in most Craglorn VET trials, so git gut mate and l2p.
And my main chars are Tanks, who can outdps most of the pug dpses, so there is that

I'm curious about how you play it now
I've a tank than I play time to time (still healer main).
Any advice to get something similar ?

Can get ~30k dps on my Templar healer (a bit less with patch) but I struggle to make more than 10 as tank w/o scarifying to much on the tanky/sustain side.

Pug are, before everything else, risky as we all know by now. We can find great players with the finder tool but unfortunately we can also find a few "enlightened" players...

I queued today with a guild mate, before going to work, for a random normal - we planned plunder picking. No one else on guild answered the call and we used the tool finder. The 2 random players added by the finder tool were between level 30-40. Do you think that was a problem to us? We gladly carried those 2 while burning everything down while the devil blinks an eye.
At the end everyone was happy: quick run, several plunder in the bag, new players done the quest n got the skill point. All quick n pretty slick.

My thoughts to all: Just chill, be cool. On the other end there's a player just like you.

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Maybe dps was bad because you just stood there in permalink and didn't bother to properly rebuff the bosses and buff your group? Like crusher?

If you are playing lazy you can't expect from others to play better. Maybe they just stood there and made light attacks on the boss. What else would a dps need to do 😂

They need to do a lot more than their pathetic 4 digit dps regardless i debuff or not. They are the one playing like dog crap and expect me to ‘don’t just stand there and attack the boss’

RouDeR wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Tount once 15 seconds ?
If the dungeon was vet you should be skilled enough to Ransack Light attack Bash every 1.something seconds + some Dots and buffs. If i see "Tank" in Vet dungeon doing nothing but tounting once 15 sec and just holding block like a mudcrab i would of consider kicking him too.

Nice attitude. I guess you rather wait 30 min for another tank than just get the dungeon done. But you are probably too low dps that you need tank's 2-3k input lmao. This is exactly why not many ppl wanna tank pugs, entitled dps teaches how to tank. If you are so great then why dont you tank yourself instead waiting 30 min in queue as dps.

I can do 20k dps on my Tank just fine in most Craglorn VET trials, so git gut mate and l2p.
And my main chars are Tanks, who can outdps most of the pug dpses, so there is that

I am sure crag vets is something to brag about XD.
I have cleared all the dlc hm vet. So I don’t think I need to l2p how to tank basic dungeons.

ForzaRammer wrote: »

BalmoraRatgirl wrote: »

This kind ofsituation IS annoying, but you were a bit rude and, honestly, as a healer, if the group DPS is too low I usually switch out a skill or two and contribute as much as I can to the DPS while still doing my original job. Pick up gorups are about adapting to (usually) less-than-optimal situations. If you want a problem free run, ask guild mates to group with you.

Oh no, i was not rude, they were saying something like 'tank go attack, don't just stand there'.
I was watching nba highlight and poking the boss once every 15 second.
They complained about me not doing nuf dmg first.

I was supportive until I read this. Were you doing anything beyond taunting? Debuffing the boss? Buffing their damage/sustain or healing them? Putting out some damage? It sounds like you attention wasn't really on the dungeon and you were doing the minimum.

But that said the people you were grouped with sound like idiots. Damage is pretty far down the list of things I look for from a tank.

I don't want to be that guy but the dungeon group is made out of 4 folks, 1x tank 1x heals and 2x deeps. Between us all, we make up a 100% DPS during a fight. We are all sharing it even though the deeps supposed to be doing most of it and heals, for example, should not do any at all.

When I join a dungeon all I expect from the tank is to tank and from the heals is to heal. Unlike your situation, I am sick and tired of the heals that do not do [snip]. Why the frack should I spend extra time and effort healing myself (more than usual) during a boss fight. and you know at the end of the fight some healers would say crap like well this took a while. STFU please, if not for you I would have managed my actual DPS and not worry about surviving.

I swear this is why MMOs are introducing stupid things like gear item levels to make sure that people in the group actually know what they are doing.

I can understand if the tank was running around like a chicken without it's head causing everyone to die but remember both tank and healers have one job and that is to heal/tank.

I want to thank all the tanks/heals that do a lot more than just their job and still manage to stay on top of it all.

Thank you.

[Edit for minor profanity]

Those kind of people were rare, but since the WoW Refugees come to ESO the chat really got toxic af in some instances. They bring the toxicity with them...

Just yesterday I got kicked because I was not on Level 50 with my char, that i have over 1000CP didn't matter to them, I runned the first part of the dungeon almost solo (70% of groups DPS Combat metrics, even though I was wearing leveling gear on level 4 and was about 44) and then they kicked me for being a noob.