The problem is when you are completing and progressing against someone else and then poof this person buy his or her skin and show off in front of you. It might not be a problem as long as you don't sell brand new content the year of the release. This alone will lower the carry run prices as more people will have the chance to learn and offer carry runs as well.

I would like to answer that poll. Really.
But I'm having a hard time ascertaining the real question after reading that "fore-word"..

Is it :
- "Should people working for me not be paid if I'm awesome ?"
- "Should I be able to dispose of the time of others freely, because I'm awesome ?"
- "Are people toxic if they do not realize I'm awesome ?"
- "If I can not get something, should others be allowed to get it ?"

I will not reflect upon the drama part that is too closely interwoven with it though, I'm out of Sticks of Truth.

They are rewards for achieving a difficult task, if you don’t achieve the task you simply don’t get the skin. Regardless of circumstances, I don’t own any of them and I don’t want to get them unless I do so by earning them. That’s how an “achievement” works.

Well I was just answering to the messages fueling the "omg you're so right, raiding community is so toxic, poor you"

Anyway, we should stop use "drama" word for anything, everytime ; stalked girls, girls who cannot play and have healthy relations, or just "normal" ones, with their guildies just because they're girls, girls needing to put herselves on offline mode to can play peacefully, is not a "drama" ; it's an issue.
Naming it as a drama is just fueling the feeling that, well, they're not really victims you know... everyone knows girls like dramas.. etc

It is the reason which I opened this threat to point out towards some problems that this particular case of carry runs can generate, and yes will list them again:

1- Friends get split into different teams, or leave you behind;
2- Friends get lured, tricked and deceived into joining such teams;
3- People don't help each other any longer, let alone people less experienced or whom never done certain content before;
4- People aren't as willing to teach nor learn trials anymore;
5- People don't have patience anymore and leaves groups at first wipe or second, often causing tension or the whole group to disband, wasting others times;
6- People are less willing to do random raids and more oriented towards earning easy money;
7- People get hungry for power, money and control;
8- People get to clear some content the easy way while others whom worked hard over the years are often left behind or forgotten;
9- Can create economy imbalance or affect market in a negative way, pots price sky rocking for example, influence, sabotage or drive the price of certain products or even create shortages;
10- Promote bragging and other negative behavior;
11- People lie about their content experience;
12- People trick and lure others into thinking they are better than others by buying carries in a new content as soon as it got released.
13- Promote fights, sabotage, egoism, greed, thievery and other unfair business and tactics among the people whom even practice this business;
14- People are less willing to complete for scores, learn, try or experiment new mechanics;
15- Often people get bored and leave the game after clearing some content for few thousands of times in a relatively short time;
16- Drive other people into leaving the raid scene after they obtain their carried loot and sooner or later out of the game;
17- And there might be some other aspects I might not think of at this hour...

I always tried to make a balance, lower the ceiling between end end game and entry level, and push experienced people into helping those less fortune. Not like this but by trying to find a way to push more people into learning content. For example I just want to go in zone and start a vMOL or vHOF group and go for it like through any other content without having to explain to everyone every mechanic in the smallest detail or raid lead them. Or having the raid turning into a wasted time, resources and starting fights.
The simple fact I was always talking others after me to some better raid groups is why a lot of players didn't liked it, they saw that as a lost opportunity to earn some money.
If you ask me there it should be the sole decency that at least the new content carries should be pushed somewhere like 1 to 2 years after release. Princes, rules and details should also be really well documented and well respected.

Personally I do have a lot of experience in raids such as vMOL or vHOF and I'm good enough for some hard mode dlc content yet I find it really difficult to get any sort of help from any of my old friends, or people that despite the fact are very experienced, are unwilling to join content. Zone or Guild all the same, I'm talking about playing mmo content on a harder difficulty outside core teams or raiding hours.
It gets worse if you are not good enough as a player or as a person, you feel left behind, insecure etc, and often you don't even fight back due to trauma or fears to lose one more friend.

You have the facts. Stay on topic.

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Can’t we all just get along?

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

I think it's really interesting that more people aren't upset by these title-and-loot selling runs. Basically people are trading gold for a title or special loot, right?

But if ZOS put those special loots in the Crown Store and made them giftable (so there's a way to get them through gold), I think there'd be complaints.
If they put the TITLEs in the Crown Store the forum would have a meltdown. And yet players are basically doing it.

Because Crown Store is straight up available to everyone. Someone, who just started the Game, could easily buy said Skin or Title etc. They'd lose in value by A LOT.

Also, why would anyone run Trials/Dungeons if they can simply straight up buy the Skin or whatever? At least now you need a good group, a group that put efforts in to be able to carry others.

And, a last comment, don't be like that. Many Endgame PvE Players barely have any Gold and are happy to earn some through carries.

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

I think it's really interesting that more people aren't upset by these title-and-loot selling runs. Basically people are trading gold for a title or special loot, right?

But if ZOS put those special loots in the Crown Store and made them giftable (so there's a way to get them through gold), I think there'd be complaints.
If they put the TITLEs in the Crown Store the forum would have a meltdown. And yet players are basically doing it.

The simple answer here is because this is members of the community selling services for gold. Not ZOS selling something that circumvents content.

Given the entire point of the skins is to encourage people to run that content, turning around and selling it would kinda undercut that. It's not that I don't put that past the Crown team, they did sell a version of the vSS mount, but outright selling skins through the store would be a bridge too far.

Loot table changes, increasing the amount of items dropped, increased chests number, and keep in mind about the err... transmutation mechanic.