Gold Buyers?

Dev · April 2014

You guys know who the real cause for all the gold selling/buying is right?

Half the posts want to blame the seller, other half wants to blame the buyer.
After all there are only 2 sides? The gold seller and the gold buyer..

But actually, neither is really the root cause of the underlying issue, so what is???

Unless you said everyone who plays the game, you are wrong. So sorry.

You see the process doesn't start with the gold seller company, its the 'normal' player who gets the random 'OMG' drop, you know those new items post the major patch/release or really rare. They get this item for free or little work yet try to sell if for outlandish prices. So they put it on the market for 200k gold.

The law of capitalism, to get the most for the least effort. Don't get me wrong, I think its a great system and I love profit the same as the next person.

But the thing that really ruins it is when the customer wants to buy that 'omg' item, some will earn it and some will look at it like a simple matter of math:
Farming in game for 200k will take 2 weeks but 200k from Gold seller is 20$ and that person can earn 20$ in an hour or two at work. for some, they farm it in game, for others they buy it.

Gold seller companies are just companies. They spend a little money to write scripts and bots, and then run them. The people buy the gold for what really cost the gold seller company next to nothing, and then the gold buyer buys the 'normal' person's item for 200k.

Ya know its ironic that the logo for this game is the Dragon eating the Eagle that is eating the Lion which eats the Dragon.

You have the Normal person inflating the price on the Gold buyer who does RMT with the gold seller who undercuts the items they farmed to the 'Normal' person...

So then you have an economy where everything is base NPC cost except the 'omg' items, which no one can legitimately buy since they cannot sell the items they farmed for more then NPC price.

Tweek · April 2014

robacooperb16_ESO wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

robacooperb16_ESO wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

You have compared gold buyers to slavers and "smelly" people...that's not very civil.

Why? Why is this not civil to point out people that RUIN the fun of other peopel becasue they are just lazy scum? Or did I hurt your feelings?

Half of one of my PvP guild's has bought gold....among these people one of my good friends has as well.

You see, we are very different you and I. I would not be in a guild that has gold buyers. The same way I would not play in a team of aimbotters in BF4.

To you, it seems ok, though.

"friend", right.

Let me guess......a gold buyer stole your sweetroll?

Yes, the sweetroll was called honest gameplay.

You cannot take a joke...it was tryin to be funny lol

Don't understand the concept of friendship and fair treatment?

....imo banning gold buyers without a warning is harsh......and if I see this at all me and several of my buddies will be quitting...some have YouTube's and some of these guys refuse to buy gold like me. They will be the ones doing the complaining.

Aww back to the "threats" of reprisals for Zenimax not doing what you want. You are a real piece of work, as are your "friends" (if they are real). I really do hope you care on through with your threat so that you and your "friends" leave to ruin another gaming community with your support of Gold Sellers, Bots, Buyers, etc.

I do not support their garbage, and do not put words in my mouth.

If you are supporting or defending Gold Buyers you are by extension supporting everything that goes with it: the Gold Selling spam, the bots, hacks, exploits, etc.

I'm not supporting them or gold buyers. Just saying this problem needs to be fixed soon, or people will start quitting and getting really angry.

I say again...here is my solution:

Here is my fix-

Make a public declaration on the main website, and the forums about the three strikes stance for gold buyers. Next put a link to this stance on the launcher of the game(scare most gold buyers away already imo).......The system would work like so:

First Offense: You receive a warning in your in game mail and to your email so you see it, any and all gold on the account(even if you have earned more than you bought) is reset to zero(you keep anything you bought I guess if it is less then what you obtained by buying it)

Second offense: A warning that next time you're banned, a 72 hours ban, and all gold removed along with a negative 20K balance you have to earn back(I really wanna see this imo it would be hilarious)

Final offense: Instant perma ban.

I believe this would hit the nail on the head....not overkill(like the crazies want and would make everyone leave the game)....and not underkill(people leave the game due to gold spam)....this is perfect imo..right in the middle and gets the message across.

drake1980 · April 2014

The whole gold selling thing though is pretty much common in the start of any mmo game, but there is a very big problem right now and that is some people do not relise how buyers of the gold affect the game just as much as the sellers do.

Like I posted before the bots and spammers stay because there is people buying it, and I would bet at least 90% of those sites they spam is trying to install keyloggers and even them saying you need to sign up for an account weather they trick you into giving your password to them or heck make just an account cause you be surprised how many people reuse the same username and password over multiple sites and games.

If there are not buyers eventualy there will be no spammers and bots for this gold selling stuff because they wont waste money on remaking accounts, also noone buying = noones accounts getting stolen by them from tricking people into giving up thier passwords.

And hench even outside of TOS this is why buyers should be banned with the sellers, because think of the amount of tickets being opened from players who bought gold and putting in a I got hacked ticket or simmular for being banned as a gold spammer.

short version: No gold buyers = eventual spammer and bots being gone
This needs to happen early cause the longer buyers buy from them the harder it gets to fix the issue with the spammers and bots.

Rhian-Skybladeb16_ESO · April 2014

Does really anyone buy gold from those guys? Seriously?
ESO is not really one of those MMORPGs where you have to bust your knuckes to get gold in your pocket. And what can you really buy for that gold that would be worth it to waste real world money on "quickly melting amounts" of gold.

I am not poor and could easily afford buying gold once in a while. But honestly, it's not worth it since I get enough gold while questing and slaying monsters.

ESO is not like Everquest 1 where it was hard to get loads of platinum if you didn't play 24/7... and where items were so extremely rare that the price was insanely high...
Haven't seen that here. And even then, I would not pay real-world money for such a short-lived fancy.

pmn100b16_ESO · April 2014

Rhian-Skybladeb16_ESO wrote: »

Does really anyone buy gold from those guys? Seriously?

Of course people do. Otherwise we wouldn't have bots and gold sellers.

starkerealm · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

robacooperb16_ESO wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

You have compared gold buyers to slavers and "smelly" people...that's not very civil.

Why? Why is this not civil to point out people that RUIN the fun of other peopel becasue they are just lazy scum? Or did I hurt your feelings?

Half of one of my PvP guild's has bought gold....among these people one of my good friends has as well.

You see, we are very different you and I. I would not be in a guild that has gold buyers. The same way I would not play in a team of aimbotters in BF4.

To you, it seems ok, though.

"friend", right.

Let me guess......a gold buyer stole your sweetroll?

Yes, the sweetroll was called honest gameplay.

You cannot take a joke...it was tryin to be funny lol

Don't understand the concept of friendship and fair treatment?

....imo banning gold buyers without a warning is harsh......and if I see this at all me and several of my buddies will be quitting...some have YouTube's and some of these guys refuse to buy gold like me. They will be the ones doing the complaining.

Aww back to the "threats" of reprisals for Zenimax not doing what you want. You are a real piece of work, as are your "friends" (if they are real). I really do hope you care on through with your threat so that you and your "friends" leave to ruin another gaming community with your support of Gold Sellers, Bots, Buyers, etc.

I do not support their garbage, and do not put words in my mouth.

Except you do, every time you try to rise to your friends' defense. I was getting pretty tired, so I'm going to try to explain this with a clear head.

Gold buyers and gold sellers have a symbiotic relationship. If you cut one of them out of the equation, the other will die off. If you try to protect either side of this equation, you're just going to perpetuate the system as a whole.

Short version, if your friends are dumb enough to be responsible for the constant spam I'm getting in my inbox, in zone, and from guild invites, then they're not worth your time to defend.

starkerealm · April 2014

Etchesketch wrote: »

Not sure what this means, but I will just say I stick by my first statement.

It was an insomnia addled apology for accidentally letting Tweek cram words in your mouth, when I was reading.

idk · April 2014

Dev wrote: »

You guys know who the real cause for all the gold selling/buying is right?

Half the posts want to blame the seller, other half wants to blame the buyer.
After all there are only 2 sides? The gold seller and the gold buyer..

But actually, neither is really the root cause of the underlying issue, so what is???

Unless you said everyone who plays the game, you are wrong. So sorry.

You see the process doesn't start with the gold seller company, its the 'normal' player who gets the random 'OMG' drop, you know those new items post the major patch/release or really rare. They get this item for free or little work yet try to sell if for outlandish prices. So they put it on the market for 200k gold.

The law of capitalism, to get the most for the least effort. Don't get me wrong, I think its a great system and I love profit the same as the next person.

But the thing that really ruins it is when the customer wants to buy that 'omg' item, some will earn it and some will look at it like a simple matter of math:
Farming in game for 200k will take 2 weeks but 200k from Gold seller is 20$ and that person can earn 20$ in an hour or two at work. for some, they farm it in game, for others they buy it.

Gold seller companies are just companies. They spend a little money to write scripts and bots, and then run them. The people buy the gold for what really cost the gold seller company next to nothing, and then the gold buyer buys the 'normal' person's item for 200k.

Ya know its ironic that the logo for this game is the Dragon eating the Eagle that is eating the Lion which eats the Dragon.

You have the Normal person inflating the price on the Gold buyer who does RMT with the gold seller who undercuts the items they farmed to the 'Normal' person...

So then you have an economy where everything is base NPC cost except the 'omg' items, which no one can legitimately buy since they cannot sell the items they farmed for more then NPC price.

The seller ,nor the economy in the game is at fault. The problem is caused by three groups period. Gold seller, Gold buyer and the game management. The gold sellers run bots which are against ToS is pretty much every game I have seen. The buyers are essentially paying and supporting such behavior, in a sense, paying people to run bots for them. The game management is the only group with the tools to reduce such behavior. It is certainly not the fault, by any means, the person who got the rare drop and is selling it.

Fina · April 2014

Until I read this thread, I didn't know that people actually bought gold from those gold sellers! I thought those bots were advertising phishing websites or something...to steal credit card information. I didn't think they actually really did give you gold!

I've been playing MMORPGs for more than 10 years and all but one of them have had gold sellers. But I've never met / heard of someone who actually bought gold! It seems like a scam to get credit card information to me.

Why would you buy gold anyway? Gold is so easy to make in this game. I haven't even tried farming gold yet and just from quests, harvesting, and trading I've made over 100k which is more than enough for me.

Why on Tamriel would anyone buy gold?

magickats242cub18_ESO · April 2014

Gold buying in ESO might seem innocuous at the moment, the gold sellers are only farming the gold via botting, which is at it's worse a nuisance. It was the same with WoW, during it's early years, and buyers were pretty much running free of punishment.

But when the sellers figure out that making gold via hacked accounts is more efficient than farming, that is where the damage is felt, and most likely the punishment will be severe for anybody caught buying gold. This is why many people remember buyers getting banned in WoW, during it's middle years.

The cost of restoring hacked accounts outweighed the number of lost subscriptions due to perma-bans, and so there were thousands of accounts closed. When Zenimax starts to receive tickets for restoration of hacked accounts, I am pretty sure that banning buyers as well as sellers will be their next route.

Charwyn · April 2014

I easily understand why would you buy gold.

1). The game is VERY (hell yeah, it is) expensive and it runs a subscription model = people who play the game have money.

2). For 13Eur (tell me if I'm wrong) you can get the horse with stats of 17k-priced one. It's like 7,8 Eur for 10k gold worth of goods => Gold sellers offer cheaper prices per 10k (I've read the spam).

3). You pay a bit more and you can get any bank upgrade or a horse or a piece of equipement instantly => Of course people are gonna fall for that.

4). Just check out those F2P titles with people spending LOTS on cosmetics and unlocks and premiums and etc etc etc.

It's a good thing lots of players say "why would you buy gold?" - that's why the game has subscription. We (players) pay 13Eur/month - and we can get everything and we are equal in our possibilities.

But there always would be someone looking for look-around.

Tweek · April 2014

Charwyn wrote: »

I easily understand why would you buy gold.

1). The game is VERY (hell yeah, it is) expensive and it runs a subscription model = people who play the game have money.

2). For 13Eur (tell me if I'm wrong) you can get the horse with stats of 17k-priced one. It's like 7,8 Eur for 10k gold worth of goods => Gold sellers offer cheaper prices per 10k (I've read the spam).

3). You pay a bit more and you can get any bank upgrade or a horse or a piece of equipement instantly => Of course people are gonna fall for that.

4). Just check out those F2P titles with people spending LOTS on cosmetics and unlocks and premiums and etc etc etc.

It's a good thing lots of players say "why would you buy gold?" - that's why the game has subscription. We (players) pay 13Eur/month - and we can get everything and we are equal in our possibilities.

But there always would be someone looking for look-around.

I agree with this and this is also my biggest problem with the "perma banners" is that they don't realize most of these buyers just wanna play the game. The buyers probably don't/didn't realize what they were contributing to. This is why I like my three strikes system.

starkerealm · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Charwyn wrote: »

I easily understand why would you buy gold.

1). The game is VERY (hell yeah, it is) expensive and it runs a subscription model = people who play the game have money.

2). For 13Eur (tell me if I'm wrong) you can get the horse with stats of 17k-priced one. It's like 7,8 Eur for 10k gold worth of goods => Gold sellers offer cheaper prices per 10k (I've read the spam).

3). You pay a bit more and you can get any bank upgrade or a horse or a piece of equipement instantly => Of course people are gonna fall for that.

4). Just check out those F2P titles with people spending LOTS on cosmetics and unlocks and premiums and etc etc etc.

It's a good thing lots of players say "why would you buy gold?" - that's why the game has subscription. We (players) pay 13Eur/month - and we can get everything and we are equal in our possibilities.

But there always would be someone looking for look-around.

I agree with this and this is also my biggest problem with the "perma banners" is that they don't realize most of these buyers just wanna play the game. The buyers probably don't/didn't realize what they were contributing to. This is why I like my three strikes system.

They know exactly what they did. They decided, rather than playing the game, they wanted to pay their way to success. They may not understand all of the consequences of their actions, but they decided not to play the game, and to pay someone else to beat it for them.

Genomic · April 2014

There have been a number of people here saying their account has been hacked. I wonder how many of these bought gold? You'd be crazy to think the gold sellers don't use the information you provide them for other unscrupulous purposes. Paypal and other phishing, account hacking, targeted spam, keyloggers and other malware through their websites, etc...

Tweek · April 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Charwyn wrote: »

I easily understand why would you buy gold.

1). The game is VERY (hell yeah, it is) expensive and it runs a subscription model = people who play the game have money.

2). For 13Eur (tell me if I'm wrong) you can get the horse with stats of 17k-priced one. It's like 7,8 Eur for 10k gold worth of goods => Gold sellers offer cheaper prices per 10k (I've read the spam).

3). You pay a bit more and you can get any bank upgrade or a horse or a piece of equipement instantly => Of course people are gonna fall for that.

4). Just check out those F2P titles with people spending LOTS on cosmetics and unlocks and premiums and etc etc etc.

It's a good thing lots of players say "why would you buy gold?" - that's why the game has subscription. We (players) pay 13Eur/month - and we can get everything and we are equal in our possibilities.

But there always would be someone looking for look-around.

I agree with this and this is also my biggest problem with the "perma banners" is that they don't realize most of these buyers just wanna play the game. The buyers probably don't/didn't realize what they were contributing to. This is why I like my three strikes system.

They know exactly what they did. They decided, rather than playing the game, they wanted to pay their way to success. They may not understand all of the consequences of their actions, but they decided not to play the game, and to pay someone else to beat it for them.

Gold doesn't beat the game for you at all lol....but good point.

Tweek · April 2014

Genomic wrote: »

There have been a number of people here saying there account has been hacked. I wonder how many of these bought gold? You'd be crazy to think the gold sellers don't use the information you provide them for other unscrupulous purposes. Paypal and other phishing, account hacking, targeted spam, keyloggers and other malware through their websites, etc...

This is why something must be done, as I don't wanna see anyones accounts be hacked because of these stupid gold sellers. Something must be done about this ASAP imo. I do realize support and the devs have their hands full right now, but this should also be high on the priorities list. The bots and spam are very annoying, but again this will be fixed soon I'm sure.

Kililin · April 2014

Who gives a *** about cheaters and company quitting.
If Zenimax does and needs them in their game than its SOL

thegamekittenub17_ESO · April 2014

It will be like a MMO I once played. It will be only the cheaters and gold spammers left. Eventually the cheaters had to sink real money into the game besides gold because there was no one left, and the game was going to close for good.

I will stand by every post I posted about buyers. It is like leaving food out and then asking why your house is overrun by ants or roaches. Stop the source and kill the problem.

Loqe · April 2014

Ban both buyers and sellers, make it a hard line.

Note: with the ferocity that Tweek is arguing about not banning buyers, I'm beginning to suspect there's a reason behind it. Is it maybe because there's a lot of bought gold there?

Tweek · April 2014

Loqe wrote: »

Ban both buyers and sellers, make it a hard line.

Note: with the ferocity that Tweek is arguing about not banning buyers, I'm beginning to suspect there's a reason behind it. Is it maybe because there's a lot of bought gold there?

Didn't know I was being ferocious

So is it weird I don't buy gold and want buyers to be warned first?
If so than lol at your sense of fairness, it's not them disrupting the game(*hint it's the sellers spamming and botting) and I couldn't care less if people have more gold than me as it doesn't really do much....just like people who get all irritated cause people fly through the game. People are probably just mad they're not already veteran ten.

Also no I don't have an ulterior motive I made this thread because I believe something should be done, rather than nothing. If this makes me a gold buyer, or gives me some other motive behind my posts(which you probably blatantly disregard) than that's fine with me believe whatever you want. I don't defend them I openly acknowledge something should be done, and very soon. Perma-banning them is fine with me too as I was just offering other options, sorry I'm not as harsh on people with opinions that vary from my own.

thegamekittenub17_ESO wrote: »

It will be like a MMO I once played. It will be only the cheaters and gold spammers left. Eventually the cheaters had to sink real money into the game besides gold because there was no one left, and the game was going to close for good.

I will stand by every post I posted about buyers. It is like leaving food out and then asking why your house is overrun by ants or roaches. Stop the source and kill the problem.

Meh....if this game goes pay to win than that is boring, also I doubt they won't do anything about this. Something will be done soon about it I'm sure.

Tweek · April 2014

thegamekittenub17_ESO wrote: »

It is like leaving food out and then asking why your house is overrun by ants or roaches. Stop the source and kill the problem.

Yes my point exactly the source of all the gold, botting and spammers.....the sellers.

Source - source noun,
: someone or something that provides what is wanted or needed(sellers)

: the cause of something (such as a problem) (sellers cause botting, spamming, disruption, etc)

Just sayin'

Kililin · April 2014

@Tweek Buyers are the reason for the bots and the goldspam. Do you really think it would exist without them?
Without demand nobody would create the supply.
Warnings, dispossession and bans would spread fast by word of mouth, and risk vs. reward would be no longer good for buyers.

I dont get how you bring fairness into the discussion as an argument supporting not banning buyers, it is them cheating, so they should get banned.
That most users do not read forums or TOS is no excuse, it is cheating, the same way as someone buying a bot-program.

Tweek · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

@Tweek Buyers are the reason for the bots and the goldspam. Do you really think it would exist without them?
Without demand nobody would create the supply.
Warnings, dispossession and bans would spread fast by word of mouth, and risk vs. reward would be no longer good for buyers.

I dont get how you bring fairness into the discussion as an argument supporting not banning buyers, it is them cheating, so they should get banned.
That most users do not read forums or TOS is no excuse, it is cheating, the same way as someone buying a bot-program.

1. Yes. There would eventually be more buyers. Where as if you remove the seller the buyers have nothing to purchase. It's like saying get rid of the drug addicts and the dealers all go away....there will always be addicts.

2. There would be less supply but they would want to keep it on hand.

3. I agree hence my three strikes system. Hell....perma ban all the buyers now, and then do a three strikes system...idc, just think sellers are the biggest probelm imo.

4. Yes they are cheating and something should be done...hence the thread, and the reason it's called "gold buyers" and not "gold sellers" like all the others. I'm saying gold buyers are a problem too....but the sellers really need to go. Sometimes you cannot even see the zone chat....

Dev · April 2014

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It is certainly not the fault, by any means, the person who got the rare drop and is selling it.

Why is it we can blame the gold sellers for creating a market where gold is available, yet overlook the Rare item sellers who create the inflated market where massive amounts of gold is needed?

I would doubt people are buying gold just to have it on hand. They have to have some form of incentive to 'need' a massive amount of gold.

Think of it this way, those buying gold aren't shouting in town to sell to them, or spamming you with messages to sell them your gold. So in reality, they are a minor issue. The player felt impact is the account hackers, in game company advertisements, and botting which is the major impact.

Zeninax should just sell the gold themselves, at least then it would be an extra revenue stream to help improve the server stability & fund additional content.
At least then the hacked accounts, spam, bot farming and other annoyances would be reduced.

Kililin · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

@Tweek Buyers are the reason for the bots and the goldspam. Do you really think it would exist without them?
Without demand nobody would create the supply.
Warnings, dispossession and bans would spread fast by word of mouth, and risk vs. reward would be no longer good for buyers.

I dont get how you bring fairness into the discussion as an argument supporting not banning buyers, it is them cheating, so they should get banned.
That most users do not read forums or TOS is no excuse, it is cheating, the same way as someone buying a bot-program.

1. Yes. There would eventually be more buyers. Where as if you remove the seller the buyers have nothing to purchase. It's like saying get rid of the drug addicts and the dealers all go away....there will always be addicts.

Well, yes, if there where no drug users there would be no dealers. They simply exist because of drug users.

Problem being, as you say, there will always be addicts. Another solution better fitting to this comparison would be to control the drug and distribute it officially. (example sell ingame tradeable gametime tokens)
That way the buyers/addicts would stay but you remove the illegal distribution channels.

You simply can not get rid of gold sellers, as long as there is demand someone will provide the gold. But it is possible to make it either to high risk for the buyers, or provide legal alternatives.

Tweek · April 2014

After reading some other threads about players having issues with vampires bites and them camping mobs and making people pay 10K gold to go to other places. I have changed my mind. BAN the buyers and sellers.

Dev wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It is certainly not the fault, by any means, the person who got the rare drop and is selling it.

Why is it we can blame the gold sellers for creating a market where gold is available, yet overlook the Rare item sellers who create the inflated market where massive amounts of gold is needed?

I would doubt people are buying gold just to have it on hand. They have to have some form of incentive to 'need' a massive amount of gold.

Think of it this way, those buying gold aren't shouting in town to sell to them, or spamming you with messages to sell them your gold. So in reality, they are a minor issue. The player felt impact is the account hackers, in game company advertisements, and botting which is the major impact.

Zeninax should just sell the gold themselves, at least then it would be an extra revenue stream to help improve the server stability & fund additional content.
At least then the hacked accounts, spam, bot farming and other annoyances would be reduced.

Yup pretty much my point, all these gold buyers are also paying customers....given they cheat and contribute to these *you know whats*.....

Tweek · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

@Tweek Buyers are the reason for the bots and the goldspam. Do you really think it would exist without them?
Without demand nobody would create the supply.
Warnings, dispossession and bans would spread fast by word of mouth, and risk vs. reward would be no longer good for buyers.

I dont get how you bring fairness into the discussion as an argument supporting not banning buyers, it is them cheating, so they should get banned.
That most users do not read forums or TOS is no excuse, it is cheating, the same way as someone buying a bot-program.

1. Yes. There would eventually be more buyers. Where as if you remove the seller the buyers have nothing to purchase. It's like saying get rid of the drug addicts and the dealers all go away....there will always be addicts.

Well, yes, if there where no drug users there would be no dealers. They simply exist because of drug users.

Problem being, as you say, there will always be addicts. Another solution better fitting to this comparison would be to control the drug and distribute it officially. (example sell ingame tradeable gametime tokens)
That way the buyers/addicts would stay but you remove the illegal distribution channels.

You simply can not get rid of gold sellers, as long as there is demand someone will provide the gold. But it is possible to make it either to high risk for the buyers, or provide legal alternatives.

I agree and I like your solution better....give the gold buyer something else they can buy with real money and sell like in GW2...honestly gold isn't a big advantage in this game imo...which is a good thing. Also this would make the game free to play for hard working players.....win/win imo.

Honestly I just want all the botting, spam, and disrupting the honest players to stop. Also would like to see all of these types of spammers banned, cause they ruin it for everyone. Seriously selling vamp bites and camping vamp spawns....selling boat rides to cold harbor....camping bosses with bots......smh. They have no shame.

Invisioblack · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Ironclap wrote: »

First time, remove every items they have in inventory and bank, reset levels to 1 on all characters. Second time permanent ban.

Nah the levels are earned..I say strip the inventory away...strip all gold away...strip the bank away..give white level items....and maybe some public shaming lol

flameweaver wrote: »

Buyers don't need to banned, just have the gold they bought removed from their inventory. They'll soon learn

I like this idea alot better, seems more appropriate.

In Eve they remove the amount you purchased *2. Talk about an incentive to never do it again.

Tweek · April 2014

robacooperb16_ESO wrote: »

Loqe wrote: »

Ban both buyers and sellers, make it a hard line.

Note: with the ferocity that Tweek is arguing about not banning buyers, I'm beginning to suspect there's a reason behind it. Is it maybe because there's a lot of bought gold there?

1. He's already admitted to doing it other MMOs in the past and 2. admitted that he has "friends" in his guild that have bought gold. 3. You can draw a simple conclusion why he (and his "friends") tossed for their cheating and violating the TOS.

1. When I was fifteen, yes.

2. Why is friends in quotes? Yes I know people who have bought gold.

3. No you cannot.

4. Tossed for their cheating? I've never cheated.

I've taken the liberty of flagging your response because you're in direct violation of this forums Code of Conduct policy, please see below.

Bashing and Slanderous Comments: We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation: We do not tolerate the deliberate and malicious spreading of false info or conspiracy theories about ZeniMax Online Studios, its game(s), or its employees. This does not include honest mistakes; rather, this rule pertains to those who go out of their way to spread harmful or malicious rumors about ZeniMax Online Studios and its employees, or The Elder Scrolls Online.

Tweek · April 2014

Loqe wrote: »

Ban both buyers and sellers, make it a hard line.

Note: with the ferocity that Tweek is arguing about not banning buyers, I'm beginning to suspect there's a reason behind it. Is it maybe because there's a lot of bought gold there?

I've also taken the liberty of flagging your response because you're in direct violation of this forums Code of Conduct policy, please see below.

Bashing and Slanderous Comments: We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation: We do not tolerate the deliberate and malicious spreading of false info or conspiracy theories about ZeniMax Online Studios, its game(s), or its employees. This does not include honest mistakes; rather, this rule pertains to those who go out of their way to spread harmful or malicious rumors about ZeniMax Online Studios and its employees, or The Elder Scrolls Online.