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How is 30min Godslayer title fair for console.......
Somber97866
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When PC has mods for entire gear layouts , mods for telling mechanics before they happen, action duration reminder mods and mods that do half their rotation for them.
Seems an unfair advantage for PC player's to console players considerin
g we have none of these tools for saving time and lives.
Seems an unfair advantage for PC player's to console players considerin
g we have none of these tools for saving time and lives.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would be unfair if ZOS designed that achievement with those PC advantages in mind.
Presumably, ZOS realizes that Consoles exist - especially since some of the Dev Team play on Console - and designed the requirements with consoles in mind. Presumably ZOS also tests their content without add-ons - it would be hilarious, though unlikely, if even ZOS needs addons to do their trials.
Also, word of advice, don't compare PC and Console content records. Ever. Not only does PC have add-ons, they also have PTS Access and ESO Logs. Its just not even a fair competition, even if PC had no add-ons.Edited by VaranisArano on October 16, 2019 12:01AM22 -
The_Old_Goat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfair or not, I think it's safe to say that having that title on console is worth that much more.29 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭chainlink01 wrote: »Unfair or not, I think it's safe to say that having that title on console is worth that much more.
Considering that PC has ESO Logs that they can use to refine their group's buffs and DPS + PTS access that they can use to practice the content before it even drops...
Its probably a good thing that this isn't a competition between Console and PC. I don't anyone really can argue that Console has it harder than even a no-add-on PC group because the PC players still have access to those tools with the base game. ESO Logs, especially, is an amazing tool for raiding guilds that's still PC exclusive.2 -
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✭✭✭Somber97866 wrote: »mods that do half their rotation for them.
Which ones? Sounds like a macro cheat.10 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Somber97866 wrote: »mods that do half their rotation for them.
Which ones? Sounds like a macro cheat.
The OP has previously asked for all combat-related addons to be banned, and despite the fact that it was explained multiple times on that thread that addons don't do rotations or light attacks for players - anything that does is a macro, which is cheating - apparently persists in this belief.
Its rather sad.
OP's previous thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/494250/ban-mods-and-add-ons-on-computer-to-make-better-gameplay-and-fairness-across-the-board
PC has:
A. mods for entire gear layouts
B. Mods for telling mechanics before they happen
C. action duration reminder mods
D. mods that do half their rotation for them
One of these things is not an add-on at all; it's a cheat, and breaking the TOS. The other three are addons totally permitted by ZOS.22 -
TheNightflame✭✭✭✭✭D. is not real and not allowed by the TOS
rotations aren't that hard to do well, it's only hard to squeeze out an extra 1k or so but that's only 1%, and one percent of 30 mins is just over 20 seconds, which is fair5 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheNightflame wrote: »D. is not real and not allowed by the TOS
rotations aren't that hard to do well, it's only hard to squeeze out an extra 1k or so but that's only 1%, and one percent of 30 mins is just over 20 seconds, which is fair
Well, there are Macros. Which don't exactly do half the rotation as the OP suggests, but do allow some level of automation for DPS, especially for light attack weaving.
But yeah, Macros aren't add-ons, and they are definitely breaking the TOS. People have gotten banned for using them.
In contrast, addons use the API that's allowed by ZOS within the bounds ZOS intended. A, B, and C are all within those bounds allowed and intended by ZOS. There's no addons that will do half or any of a PC player's rotation for them because that's just not in the API allowed by ZOS.
Of course, this was already explained to the OP several times on the cited thread.3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why is OP trying to compete with PC? They have separate servers. What happens there isn't your problem.
How can someone you can't even play with or against have an unfair advantage over you?7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why does my Toyota Corolla top out at 170 km/h when a Bugatti can reach 420 km/h?
But yes, I agree with you. Just had to throw that dig in.Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 16, 2019 8:18AM4 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »
I never got that. I dont even want to play PS4 on my couch. I use PS4Remote to play PS4 on my PC.2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Why does my Toyota Corolla top out at 170 km/h when a Bugatti can reach 420 km/h?
But yes, I agree with you. Just had to throw that dig in.
Lol, my 1989 Toyota Corolla topped out at 100km/h even said in manual not to surpass that speed for more than 10 seconds. Made the trip to Sunbury a long one4 -
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »
I never got that. I dont even want to play PS4 on my couch. I use PS4Remote to play PS4 on my PC.
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Addons and things like that are clear advantages for PC players, but.. we competed at the top of Global MSA leaderboards when it was being run so I wouldn't think there's any reason console players can't compete in other content.
You've just got to be a bit more switched on.vMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
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569,000 - 40 minutes (350CP, Non optimised runs)2 -
FatFred✭✭✭I still don't understand why some people play MMORPGs on a Console!
It's like fix a truck with your feet.4 -
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✭✭✭Somber97866 wrote: »When PC has mods for entire gear layouts , mods for telling mechanics before they happen, action duration reminder mods and mods that do half their rotation for them.
Seems an unfair advantage for PC player's to console players considerin
g we have none of these tools for saving time and lives.
Console players always need to put a little more effort in everything they do in-game...
On consoles we can just know our buffs/debuffs and how long they last.
I wish all of these, at least, were available for all the players:
- Gear layouts
- Auto refill uncharged weapons
- Auto repair damaged gear
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✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »
My friends plays on pc, on a couch, with a ps4 controller so...
I also used to, but i prefer sitting at a desk.3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭From what I've heard, the main reason console will most likely never see a Godslayer is due to the poor performance and not because of the absent of convenient add-ons (complaining about add-ons is getting quite pathetic at this point).
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Please, not another one of these threads. As a now-dedicated console player, let's not rock the boat with the PC community. Every similar thread always turns into a PC vs console debate and it's usually never followed by civil arguments.4 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭From what I've heard, the main reason console will most likely never see a Godslayer is due to the poor performance and not because of the absent of convenient add-ons (complaining about add-ons is getting quite pathetic at this point).
I don't think this is true, and the OP does bring up logistical problems. When it can take up to 1 minute to change gear vs 1 second...that time adds up. Not saying it won't be possible, but using bad performance (which is totally subjective) as a means to justify that it won't happen is not a valid argument.10 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »Please, not another one of these threads. As a now-dedicated console player, let's not rock the boat with the PC community. Every similar thread always turns into a PC vs console debate and it's usually never followed by civil arguments.
People turning into a PC vs Console debate are intentionally missing the point to get some jokes off.
OP's weird accusation about macros aside, I think it's a legitimate point. Did the developers actually have their QA team complete the achievement on the live console servers to confirm it is actually doable?Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »Please, not another one of these threads. As a now-dedicated console player, let's not rock the boat with the PC community. Every similar thread always turns into a PC vs console debate and it's usually never followed by civil arguments.
People turning into a PC vs Console debate are intentionally missing the point to get some jokes off.
OP's weird accusation about macros aside, I think it's a legitimate point. Did the developers actually have their QA team complete the achievement on the live console servers to confirm it is actually doable?
ZoS... complete the achievement? haha... have you watched an ESO live? They have difficulty completing vet level content without using their internal "godmode"The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points6 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »Please, not another one of these threads. As a now-dedicated console player, let's not rock the boat with the PC community. Every similar thread always turns into a PC vs console debate and it's usually never followed by civil arguments.
People turning into a PC vs Console debate are intentionally missing the point to get some jokes off.
OP's weird accusation about macros aside, I think it's a legitimate point. Did the developers actually have their QA team complete the achievement on the live console servers to confirm it is actually doable?
Oh, I think you are right. But words (even written) do matter and it inevitably has a negative effect on debates where console players are arguing with PC players over valid points, as the argument usually gets skewed by emotion when one of the sides says "my platform is better than yours" or "my platform is the master race", and it's hard to recover from that.
As for your second comment, it's hard to imagine that they did test it on console, at least to the extent they did on PC. There are some really good raiding groups on console, who are min/maxed just like PC players, and they haven't been able to complete it yet, and it's usually the time constraint that is the issue.3 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »Please, not another one of these threads. As a now-dedicated console player, let's not rock the boat with the PC community. Every similar thread always turns into a PC vs console debate and it's usually never followed by civil arguments.
People turning into a PC vs Console debate are intentionally missing the point to get some jokes off.
OP's weird accusation about macros aside, I think it's a legitimate point. Did the developers actually have their QA team complete the achievement on the live console servers to confirm it is actually doable?
Asking whether or not the inherent abilities or limitation of each platform has an affect on the ability to complete a timed achievement would be a legitimate question, but the OP didn't ask such a question, they just posted a whiny rant which is why this thread filled with silly PC vs console responses.Edited by Dawnblade on October 16, 2019 2:25PM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »It would be unfair if ZOS designed that achievement with those PC advantages in mind.
Presumably, ZOS realizes that Consoles exist - especially since some of the Dev Team play on Console - and designed the requirements with consoles in mind. Presumably ZOS also tests their content without add-ons - it would be hilarious, though unlikely, if even ZOS needs addons to do their trials.
Also, word of advice, don't compare PC and Console content records. Ever. Not only does PC have add-ons, they also have PTS Access and ESO Logs. Its just not even a fair competition, even if PC had no add-ons.
I am not arguing, however Zos watches PC first to see if change can be made. Obviously since PC is the only PTS source.
However, titles like Godslayer are not intended to be easy to achieve and Zos probably expects less than 1% of players will obtain that within the first year or two of the trial being released.0 -
DR4GONFL1✭✭✭✭We all love this game and have different reasons for it being entertaining and fun. Its a large community made up of people from all over the world but we all love this game in some manner. I will never understand why some turn on others for the device they play or if you play pvp or pve...
I recently meet a player while doing an undaunted daily whom I've now become friends with. He mainly does pvp and I'm mainly pve. With in a month he has me addicted to battle grounds (the call of duty of ESO) and I've taken him with friends from my guild to NCR and a few other trails along with helping him acquire a few monster helmets he has wanted.
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✭you should be happy there is no cross play, this way you don't get face rolled by scripters in cyro1
