How is 30min Godslayer title fair for console.......

Uviryth · October 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Its really your fault for playing an MMO on a Console. I mean who does that .....

People who want to sit on a couch and not a desk...

I never got that. I dont even want to play PS4 on my couch. I use PS4Remote to play PS4 on my PC.

When you are old grasshopper, you see the wisdom in a recliner for leisure activities

I´m 40

MJallday · October 2019

DPShiro wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

As far as I know there are no groups on Ps4 and only 1 group on Xbox that have Godslayer. If I am wrong someone feel free to correct me.

Yeah I only 1 group on Xbox EU I know of - not sure about US

Even so I can’t see that group doing it again after this bunch of nerfs let alone anyone else.

Nope, no team on Xbox EU is even close, since it’s kinda pointless.

I don’t think a single console team has done it still

I thought Burn phase or port forward got it? Maybe even puppies - I’m sure one of them did.?

Juhasow · October 2019

Does anyone remember the days when 15 minutes IR looked like not much time ?

DR4GONFL1 · October 2019

jadarock wrote: »

So you bought a Chevy and youre upset that you dont get the perks and or performance of a lambo? Really??

When you cough, yawn or burp, it's considered polite to cover your mouth.

Good Day Sir...

jadarock · October 2019

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

So you bought a Chevy and youre upset that you dont get the perks and or performance of a lambo? Really??

When you cough, yawn or burp, it's considered polite to cover your mouth.

Good Day Sir...

Gtfo smarty pants...
I play on console and I dont moan about not having a zillion addons to baby sit me while I play and how it is or is not fair....I deal with it knowing I play on console.

It's simple you want the pc experience buy a pc period.

DR4GONFL1 · October 2019

jadarock wrote: »

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

So you bought a Chevy and youre upset that you dont get the perks and or performance of a lambo? Really??

When you cough, yawn or burp, it's considered polite to cover your mouth.

Good Day Sir...

Gtfo smarty pants...
I play on console and I dont moan about not having a zillion addons to baby sit me while I play and how it is or is not fair....I deal with it knowing I play on console.

It's simple you want the pc experience buy a pc period.

I don't mind add ons as well and I also play on console but I would have an issue if they affected combat in anyway, damage , shields, rotation, etc.) If that is the case then ESO needs to make an adjustment to make the same effect for consoles. I mean if not then I don't want to hear ESO dropping bans on people exploiting a glitch to get the silver skin. They are both being used to get something easier... Or why use add ons and I'm not talking about pin points on maps or such.

SoLooney · October 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

As far as I know there are no groups on Ps4 and only 1 group on Xbox that have Godslayer. If I am wrong someone feel free to correct me.

Negative, no one on console has achieved this title and I doubt anyone has really come close

VaranisArano · October 2019

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

So you bought a Chevy and youre upset that you dont get the perks and or performance of a lambo? Really??

When you cough, yawn or burp, it's considered polite to cover your mouth.

Good Day Sir...

Gtfo smarty pants...
I play on console and I dont moan about not having a zillion addons to baby sit me while I play and how it is or is not fair....I deal with it knowing I play on console.

It's simple you want the pc experience buy a pc period.

I don't mind add ons as well and I also play on console but I would have an issue if they affected combat in anyway, damage , shields, rotation, etc.) If that is the case then ESO needs to make an adjustment to make the same effect for consoles. I mean if not then I don't want to hear ESO dropping bans on people exploiting a glitch to get the silver skin. They are both being used to get something easier... Or why use add ons and I'm not talking about pin points on maps or such.

Um, there's a significant difference between exploiting a glitch and using an add-on to help complete content.

One of those is using the API as intended within the bounds ZOS allows and is supported by the TOS. Sure, it would be lovely if consoles could use that API too, but you can thank your console provider for that!

One of those is something ZOS didn't intend and is breaking the TOS. (In the case of vAS, it was also obviously cheesing the fight without actually fighting the boss.)

And only one of those resulted in bans. Hint: it wasnt using add-ons.

The only definition that really matters is ZOS'.

MartiniDaniels · October 2019

Fact that gear/bar setups still can't be switched without using add-ons in 5-year old MMORPG with 10+ millions of players is hilarious. No matter PC or console, functionalities like that should be coded in base game long ago.

yodased · October 2019

Forget addons, macros and smooth framerate.

Playing on a controller with that awful U.I. is bad enough to jump from console to PC

Donny_Vito · October 2019

yodased wrote: »

Forget addons, macros and smooth framerate.

Playing on a controller with that awful U.I. is bad enough to jump from console to PC

My Elite Controller is amazing.

Edit: Removing my experience when I played ESO on PC as it seemed like I was being disrespectful which was not my intent.

Waseem · October 2019

the whole game has been ruined because it got released to consoles in the first place, releasing limitations, cutting resources from solely focusing on PC developing and much more

hasi · October 2019

Waseem wrote: »

the whole game has been ruined because it got released to consoles in the first place, releasing limitations, cutting resources from solely focusing on PC developing and much more

Game would be dead without Console, lol.

Somber97866 · October 2019

There are no mods for Xbox that isn't added by ZOS themselves. The closest you come to Modding on console is the elite controller.

VaranisArano · October 2019

Somber97866 wrote: »

There are no mods for Xbox that isn't added by ZOS themselves. The closest you come to Modding on console is the elite controller.

You can thank Xbox for the lack of add-ons. If Xbox allowed them, ZOS would permit those console users to use them too.

PC has a number of TOS-breaking tools like macros and Cheat Engine available to players who want to cheat, but again, those are definitively distinct from add-ons which are encouraged and allowed by ZOS to use the API as intended by ZOS and are not cheating.

Somber97866 · October 2019

And that's my point in all this. Why wasn't this taken into consideration when the achievement was designed?

Stebarnz · October 2019

Its just that better players use PC's and that is a scientific fact! I use 2 simultaneously.

What is your goal here OP?

Tsar_Gekkou · October 2019

Stebarnz wrote: »

Its just that better players use PC's and that is a scientific fact! I use 2 simultaneously.

What is your goal here OP?

Then why is it that when PC players switch to ESO on console, a lot of them tend to suck at first because they don't have addons that tell them how to breathe, but most console people who go to PC do just fine?

VaranisArano · October 2019

Somber97866 wrote: »

And that's my point in all this. Why wasn't this taken into consideration when the achievement was designed?

I don't know why you think it wasnt taken into consideration.

Do you imagine that ZOS somehow doesn't realize that Console doesnt have PTS access, ESO Logs, or add-ons?

And if you do, what exactly do you think explains their astounding ignorance, given that they have Devs, including Wheeler, who play on Console?

Its kind of amazing - the sheer idiocy it would take for the Devs to set a timer that's failed to take approx. 2/3rds of their PVE end game playerbase into consideration.

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots who somehow failed to take console players into account.

eovogtb16_ESO · October 2019

You wont even be able to get this title on PC anymore even with addons so I wouldn't worry about achieving this on console.

Tyreal1974 · October 2019

starkerealm · October 2019

Tyreal1974 wrote: »

LiquidPony · October 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its kind of amazing - the sheer idiocy it would take for the Devs to set a timer that's failed to take approx. 2/3rds of their PVE end game playerbase into consideration.

I mean, have you seen what they did in Dragonhold? How many people in the world managed Godslayer with DPS as high as it was in Scalebreaker?

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots ...

Must ... bite ... tongue ...

Somber97866 · October 2019

The point? I want PC player's to understand that they are catered too in this game and that when you all make statements about game being soooooo easy and will give it a go without add-ons sometime and see if they can cut it.
Second, I hope to my God that the devs read this post and realize console player's know what the deal is.
Console player's are treated like second rate citizens and have to deal with nerf's , that frankly, we don't need but PC does. Due in part to the add-ons giving you an unfair advantage.
Now I'm not saying I want anything to change.Honestly I do not want my damage higher or recovery nerf's any less than yours. But this achievement is like a slap in the face to console players. Why wouldnt I say something about it?

starkerealm · October 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots ...

Must ... bite ... tongue ...

In my experience, they are pretty sharp.

VaranisArano · October 2019

Somber97866 wrote: »

The point? I want PC player's to understand that they are catered too in this game and that when you all make statements about game being soooooo easy and will give it a go without add-ons sometime and see if they can cut it.
Second, I hope to my God that the devs read this post and realize console player's know what the deal is.
Console player's are treated like second rate citizens and have to deal with nerf's , that frankly, we don't need but PC does. Due in part to the add-ons giving you an unfair advantage.
Now I'm not saying I want anything to change.Honestly I do not want my damage higher or recovery nerf's any less than yours. But this achievement is like a slap in the face to console players. Why wouldnt I say something about it?

So...basically, you do think that the Devs are idiots who set the Godslayer timer the way they did to cater to PC players because they somehow forgot that Console players don't have PTS access, ESO Logs, or add-ons.

Wow.

VaranisArano · October 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots ...

Must ... bite ... tongue ...

In my experience, they are pretty sharp.

I don't know them personally, and I don't agree with everything they do, but I expect them to at least know the basics of how their game works on different platforms.

We're not talking rocket science for the Devs to be smart enough to see that:
A. only PC players get PTS (Duh, ZOS runs the PTS.)
B. Only PC players get ESO Logs (Duh, ZOS only launched it for PC)
C. Only PC players get addons (Duh, ZOS only has to get with add-on related issues like MM/guild history on PC)
and to plan their achievements based on Console capabilitiesaccordingly

I mean, there's the "ZOS must be idiots because they don't agree with me" type grumbling...

And then there's "ZOS is so dumb that they don't even know how their own game works."

If I were ZOS, I'd have based the achievement on expected Console capabilities specifically because they don't have the tools available to PC. And I don't see any reason to speculate that they didnt - aside from "Its really, really hard! Groups who got the achievement first had PC advantages!"

....its not a race?

starkerealm · October 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots ...

Must ... bite ... tongue ...

In my experience, they are pretty sharp.

I don't know them personally, and I don't agree with everything they do, but I expect them to at least know the basics of how their game works on different platforms.

They know.

There's a funny thing in all of this, the assumption that the game has been balanced around addons, which is flatly untrue.

Kadoin · October 2019

Somber97866 wrote: »

When PC has mods for entire gear layouts , mods for telling mechanics before they happen, action duration reminder mods and mods that do half their rotation for them.
Seems an unfair advantage for PC player's to console players considerin
g we have none of these tools for saving time and lives.

Not everyone on PC uses add-ons for combat. I sure don't, they make my head hurt!

VaranisArano · October 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I really, really doubt that the Devs are idiots ...

Must ... bite ... tongue ...

In my experience, they are pretty sharp.

I don't know them personally, and I don't agree with everything they do, but I expect them to at least know the basics of how their game works on different platforms.

They know.

There's a funny thing in all of this, the assumption that the game has been balanced around addons, which is flatly untrue.

Agreed. That's the part of this all that just flummoxes me.

Why on earth would the Devs test their own game while using or cater to extra add-ons they didnt even create? That makes zero sense.

Like, sure, ZOS absolutely allows add-ons. But its just ridiculous to think that they set an achievement timer with the expectation that all players are using add-ons.