ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?
I would love it if they would change the hemorrhage passive to provide minor prophecy as well, or at least have some sort of scaling to your higher resource to not be considered "op". Or they could take away the group aspect and just give both for mag and stam. Been waiting for this for a while but never happens.
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?
Pretty anxious that they might touch spectral bow, major resolve and major ward passives.
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?
I would love it if they would change the hemorrhage passive to provide minor prophecy as well, or at least have some sort of scaling to your higher resource to not be considered "op". Or they could take away the group aspect and just give both for mag and stam. Been waiting for this for a while but never happens.
I don’t think they’d ever take away the group aspect to that passive. That aspect’s important for PvE because it means trial guilds have to take one of every class. Without passives like that every trial would be 2 DK tanks, Templar and Warden healer and 8 StamNecros. It’s a little better how it is because they include a NB and Sorc for the passives.
Well at least a NB, Sorc one is optional because trials are all stam.
brandonv516 wrote: »I hope they consider changing Soul Siphon (heal alternative to Soul Tether) so it does not have a cast time.
It's an AoE burst heal and should not follow the same rules as the damage morph.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
I agree that magblades are more unforgiving. Very tight window for offense and defense. The trade off is you get to do shade getaways which is probably the best escape when combined with cloak if successful. That and ganking the less skilled is easily possible even on a setup not meant for ganking (because of cloak).stamdammered wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
Personally... it’s just too unforgiving compared to other classes. My experience is: Outrun your shade? Dead. Low stamina? Dead.Get caught without shade up? Dead. Healing is lackluster, damage is decent, tankiness is nonexistent. From the amount of frustration on here I don’t think I’m the only one, especially with the stam sorc dizzy/onslaught and Templar Metas. They outclass the magblade in mobility, survivability, and damage. I’m still toying with magblade because stam isn’t much better and cba to roll another class.
I will be trying out your build though, I like the idea behind it and troll king will hopefully help with healing. Do you run brp resto? Assuming so, just wondering.
Sorry to hear that. Just one thing: I always use Dampen, then Healing Ward, to protect the Ward. Shields still melt, but I certainly would not use Healing Ward on it's own is all I wanted to say.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
Hmm. I have not studied the patch notes in such detail yet, but I feel my build really comes into it's own in a duo or small group, provided the other player(s) know how to survive. Because the Caluu burst is instant (more or less) you're well placed to focus targets from cloak that have taken damage from your mate(s). That's when you jump in with Lotus Fan and it can be absolutely devastating.I’m a bit discouraged as well. Survivability will be an issue, even though lots of stuns have been removed from the game.
If you’re a solo player I wouldn’t be worried; use that new set with a speed boost when you have a damage shield, BRP resto/harness magicka, plus caluurion or something like that and you’ll be fine. Bombers will do well too.
Where magblades will have issues is BGs and group play. They improved potions on PTS and magblades will be locked into using sp/crit/magicka pots because there’s no access to those buffs outside pots now. You can try inner light and sap but... good luck with weak self healing and defense nerfs.
I think I might move onto a tankier class. Magblades seem like they’ll be a solo specialist class and be weak in all group play, even in BGs. I think BG pvp will be dominated by DKs, Wardens and Templars post patch so might as well devote my resources to changing mains.
I also agree fred that magblades are great partners for tanky players. my usual duo partner plays a stam warden and we have an agreement that when things become to sticky for me I can full disengage with shade and cloak while he goes full defensive so I can comeback and burst the hell out of the weakest of the enemies.
Sorry to hear that. Just one thing: I always use Dampen, then Healing Ward, to protect the Ward. Shields still melt, but I certainly would not use Healing Ward on it's own is all I wanted to say.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
From my point of view, because I committed to melee magblade such a long time ago, things have only gotten better. Caluu and Zaan brought the upfront burst. RAT allowed switching from 2H (Forward Momentum) to destro for much better light attacks. Lotus Fan gained Minor Vulnerability, which buffs the procs.
My video was under fairly ideal conditions, without a really good player among the targets. I do feel like my build is limited, but since I have not gotten comfortable with any other build to the same degree, I can't really compare.
I totally agree. I find it impossible to do anything against large(r) organised groups, who are probably on Discord, move as one and alternate between hanging back and ulti-dumping everyone. I might stay at range, meekly firing Swallow Soul, but even that is dangerous should you read the situation wrong and they suddenly push in your direction. In many ways I prefer doing the melee stalker / ganker thing, because I'm already in cloak and off to the side or behind them, rather than standing with my faction mates in front of them.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I also agree fred that magblades are great partners for tanky players. my usual duo partner plays a stam warden and we have an agreement that when things become to sticky for me I can full disengage with shade and cloak while he goes full defensive so I can comeback and burst the hell out of the weakest of the enemies.
Thats normally how I play with my buddy in a duo also, the problem I have is when there is like 4-5 of us and we try to take of bigger prey. They are all running high mobility Stam toons and pull to chokes for ult dumps. While I sit back with single target and soul harvest. Once you try to take on the 10-15 player range imo is where magnb really struggles
I chose to stick with Healing Ward, because I tested it and it heals you more than Rapid Regeneration at low health. You could try the latter, but then you would be missing a shield altogether.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sorry to hear that. Just one thing: I always use Dampen, then Healing Ward, to protect the Ward. Shields still melt, but I certainly would not use Healing Ward on it's own is all I wanted to say.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
From my point of view, because I committed to melee magblade such a long time ago, things have only gotten better. Caluu and Zaan brought the upfront burst. RAT allowed switching from 2H (Forward Momentum) to destro for much better light attacks. Lotus Fan gained Minor Vulnerability, which buffs the procs.
My video was under fairly ideal conditions, without a really good player among the targets. I do feel like my build is limited, but since I have not gotten comfortable with any other build to the same degree, I can't really compare.
Yeah I get what you mean about protecting the ward With a shield but there it's a bar space problem for me. I thought I could protect it with clock but it doesn't work as well on practice as it does theory. I think I'm gonna try a high recovery build like suggested because I'm bogged down in the brp/spinner setup.
... You've probably already read my spiel on where to get regen from (Atro / drinks, not armor sets) and how much I love the high stam regen from Fisheye Rye ...
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So Spinners or that New Moon Acolyte 481 spell power? Prob going to get nerfed.
I tend to avoid organized ball groups. Like what's the point of trying to fight them? Generally the 1vXers also ignore these ball groups and look for fights elsewhere.
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »So Spinners or that New Moon Acolyte 481 spell power? Prob going to get nerfed.
probably front barring moon acolyte if nothing is changed. All my high cost defensive skills that generally dont scale with spell damage are on the back bar anyway.
This is the set for reference:
Will have to see if sustain becomes an issue because of the 5% cost increase and the total lack of magicka bonuses on the set though.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
I chose to stick with Healing Ward, because I tested it and it heals you more than Rapid Regeneration at low health. You could try the latter, but then you would be missing a shield altogether.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sorry to hear that. Just one thing: I always use Dampen, then Healing Ward, to protect the Ward. Shields still melt, but I certainly would not use Healing Ward on it's own is all I wanted to say.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
From my point of view, because I committed to melee magblade such a long time ago, things have only gotten better. Caluu and Zaan brought the upfront burst. RAT allowed switching from 2H (Forward Momentum) to destro for much better light attacks. Lotus Fan gained Minor Vulnerability, which buffs the procs.
My video was under fairly ideal conditions, without a really good player among the targets. I do feel like my build is limited, but since I have not gotten comfortable with any other build to the same degree, I can't really compare.
Yeah I get what you mean about protecting the ward With a shield but there it's a bar space problem for me. I thought I could protect it with clock but it doesn't work as well on practice as it does theory. I think I'm gonna try a high recovery build like suggested because I'm bogged down in the brp/spinner setup.
... You've probably already read my spiel on where to get regen from (Atro / drinks, not armor sets) and how much I love the high stam regen from Fisheye Rye ...
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I chose to stick with Healing Ward, because I tested it and it heals you more than Rapid Regeneration at low health. You could try the latter, but then you would be missing a shield altogether.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sorry to hear that. Just one thing: I always use Dampen, then Healing Ward, to protect the Ward. Shields still melt, but I certainly would not use Healing Ward on it's own is all I wanted to say.GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken
Really? What’s giving you a hard time?
It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.
It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.
Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again
From my point of view, because I committed to melee magblade such a long time ago, things have only gotten better. Caluu and Zaan brought the upfront burst. RAT allowed switching from 2H (Forward Momentum) to destro for much better light attacks. Lotus Fan gained Minor Vulnerability, which buffs the procs.
My video was under fairly ideal conditions, without a really good player among the targets. I do feel like my build is limited, but since I have not gotten comfortable with any other build to the same degree, I can't really compare.
Yeah I get what you mean about protecting the ward With a shield but there it's a bar space problem for me. I thought I could protect it with clock but it doesn't work as well on practice as it does theory. I think I'm gonna try a high recovery build like suggested because I'm bogged down in the brp/spinner setup.
... You've probably already read my spiel on where to get regen from (Atro / drinks, not armor sets) and how much I love the high stam regen from Fisheye Rye ...
I've been stuck on btb for so long because in my tunnel vision it's the best way to get high stats. But even with btb, atro and 1 infused recovery glyph I'm only at like 1.6k. I really think being a lizard does more harm than good for me because a Breton would help me out in sustain alot, but that means I need to give zos more money....