Tel Var Stones are ridiculous
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linoge63✭✭✭You can reduce chances of you being ganked and losing ur hard earned cash by investing heavily in hp. Most solo gankers prefer to avoid fat players that they can not kill quickly out of fear that friendly players come to help and kill the ganker instead.
and or, that non NB has 2 NB's right beside him hoping for that gank to happen
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Kosbert✭✭@Mr_Walker Sorry, I don't know what XNA means
@Kosbert Did you really have to be that rude about it? I mean I even see that you'd edited your post. Didn't it occur to you while you were editing to maybe tone it down a bit? Or was it that you decided you weren't needlessly abrasive in the first paragraph and decided to add a second?
@Taleof2Cities If we're talking skilled pvp, group of good players against another group of skilled players, then yeah it does require skills. But if we're talking IC sewers then that's camps, stealths, stuns, heals and revives, and that's just cheap tricks.
Anyone can be an IC thug. In pvp in pve it's not that easy to cheese your way to a complete victory.
@Mazbt The Imperial Retreat stones are faily rare drops in my experience. Buying them is expensive. If you don't have ready APs that you want to dump on them then you'd need to do three battlegrounds (i never checked, I'm guessing on this) beforehand. 20 minutes a piece that;s a full hour spend doing BG to get the recall stone. Now I'm going to guess that the average amount of tel vars that players who get victimised by organised ganking groups is around 5k (minus 1k initial stones)
And if you have to spend an hour doing BGs for every 4k tel vars you earn, then that's just too expensive. And the organised criminal organisations know this, that;s why they keep camping the bases. I would say that the Sigil is only effective for people who consistently have 10k or more tel vars, and that puts it outside the reach of non-hardcore IC players.
Let me re-state one thing. I don't hate IC, I don't hate tel var mechanics. But it needs to be said that there's always been a significant part of the IC playerbase who have focused purely on exploting every possible flaw in those mechanics, victimising other players and in short being a noxious growth on the IC experience.
Maybe I'm being naive here, but I'm believe that if some of these most toxic behaviours were cut short by some changes to IC then the overall gameplay there would be much less nasty and you're see more players taking part in it, which has got to be good for the game.
Sorry, but the reality is harsh, and people complaining about everything and whining about everything where the reason why Blizzard had to release a Patch from 2004 to save their game. We don't need that in ESO. Also, watchout there is an edit. Again, if you want juicy rewards, there is a price to pay. Safespaces we have enough in Tamriel, you don't need to destroy the few havens for PvP'ers and Gankers. And no, we wont have a discussion about "how skilled ganking of pve noobs" in Cyrodil is. Adapt, or go back to Craglorn and grind your Ressource Nodes.Edited by Kosbert on September 9, 2019 7:24AM1 -
merevie✭✭✭✭✭Done pvp a long time -do not recommend any new player goes into IC or any other player goes without a 6 man team. 100% gank squads -some are running 10. This is content for a niche group at present.3
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Kosbert✭✭Done pvp a long time -do not recommend any new player goes into IC or any other player goes without a 6 man team. 100% gank squads -some are running 10. This is content for a niche group at present.
Yeah, and nobody need your presence there. You want to be there to grind the juicy Tel Var Stones for your wallet. There is simply no need to grant Safespace Havens for PvE People, especially if ZOS is not able to ban finally Bot Users like him:
https://youtu.be/X0W-cFmDtdU
Same person:
https://youtu.be/2SJT4wQkQ-o
This guy I followed for hours, he is now CP 1000 just from botting ressource nodes and farming Welwas. And he has 4-5 other accounts with exact the same script. Reported him multiple times, and nothing happend now since a few hundred CP's with his accounts.
Turning Tel Var Stones into Safespace Haven AP would destroy the market for Hakejios and Co drastically. But Generation Insta Gratification wants simply fast and instant some dank gold. And lacks of every foresight what impact such a change would have onto the economy.
There is a PvP Area, there is a PvE Area. There are PvP Events, there are PvE Events. Deal with it.
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misfitmanic✭✭✭I just went into IC with 0 TV with the concept that anything I walk out with is a profit, with nothing to lose. Once I got more comfy there, I started taking 100 TV with me, but never any more than that. Walk in, kill a few things, and if I die I'll still be walking out with more than I started with. Easy peasy.2 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I just stopped worrying about Tel Var yesterday and surprisingly I had fun. I joined a group farming Molag Bal and stayed with them for 4 hours. We had some nice fights with AD and DC groups, we killed the boss few times, we resurrected each other and the comradery was quite nice. I didn't get any decent loot, I walked out with about 15k worth of gold in ornate loot, one Hakeijo, Scamp (I gave it away since I already had it) and 200 Tel Var. No skin unfortunately but it was worth it just for the fun I had.Edited by Michae on September 9, 2019 10:39AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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beadabow✭✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »Just write down their names and amount they stole. Then u just collect it back when they are farming alone
I did this with a NB that ganked me for 50k and tbagged me during midyear mayhem 2017, now i have collected 68k back, only 7k missing (25k+ tbag taxes)
My kinda player! Sweet revenge lol!0 -
Phex✭✭@Kosbert How about you stop being a jackass about it, huh buddy? Because eso has one of the best communities and atmospheres that i've seen and frankly what it does Not need is people who behave like you have done on this thread.
Anyone complains - they're automatically a whiner.
Anyone who is a whiner - you can be as rude to them as you feel like it. (Cause they weak, brah).
I was going to ask you, @Kosbert what's your reason for just whaling on anyone you think is pve or is whining but after I've thought about it, no it doesn't matter what you're reasoning is. You're being toxic and there's no excuse for it.
"nobody needs your presence here", "go back to craglorn". If you were talking about anything other than a game, then any admin in the world would shut you down in nine seconds flat. But even as it is, nobody needs your pve-r-plebs mentality.
Especially since from your previous posts it's pretty clear why you're writing stuff like this - because this is the little gold farming niche that you've found and you're terrified that any changes to the game will take it away from you.
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Phex✭✭Done pvp a long time -do not recommend any new player goes into IC or any other player goes without a 6 man team. 100% gank squads -some are running 10. This is content for a niche group at present.
This is absolutely correct. IC has no matchmaking or balancing of any kind. Not in terms of group numbers and certainly not in terms of any kind of skill levels. (It's never the low or medium skilled players that you see camping, ganking and griefing, hells no that would actually give regular players a fightning chance and these griefers are not there to play fair)
So don't go there without a group and even in a group you should know that without this matchmaking you'll still run into people who will just destroy you all.
And frankly this lack of any attention to make the gameplay fair and balanced is exactly why this mode has become niche content. People got sick of all the predators of IC and of nothing ever getting better there and left.1 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Invis pots. Farm the ads if you really want to just farm TV. Go in with 10k for the multiplier. Have recall stones ready to dip. Stay close to your home base.
As you get more comfortable, you’ll learn which bosses you can solo. Decide if the city is too zergy to try it.
Invis pots.1 -
Kosbert✭✭@Kosbert How about you stop being a jackass about it, huh buddy? Because eso has one of the best communities and atmospheres that i've seen and frankly what it does Not need is people who behave like you have done on this thread.
Anyone complains - they're automatically a whiner.
Anyone who is a whiner - you can be as rude to them as you feel like it. (Cause they weak, brah).
I was going to ask you, @Kosbert what's your reason for just whaling on anyone you think is pve or is whining but after I've thought about it, no it doesn't matter what you're reasoning is. You're being toxic and there's no excuse for it.
"nobody needs your presence here", "go back to craglorn". If you were talking about anything other than a game, then any admin in the world would shut you down in nine seconds flat. But even as it is, nobody needs your pve-r-plebs mentality.
Especially since from your previous posts it's pretty clear why you're writing stuff like this - because this is the little gold farming niche that you've found and you're terrified that any changes to the game will take it away from you.
Nah, it is really just because I am disgusted by Generation Blizzard/WoW Insta Gratification. Everything has to be insta, without any effort and please for free. We dont need that in ESO, we dont need another "fair" and white washed Blizzard Game. I dont wanna need the patch 2014 to save the game like WoW had to do it with Classic.
All you or OP want is easy reward without any effort. Not even thinking about what happens if Telvars are in a PvE Enviroment and/or safed like AP. The price will drop, it will get botted to hell etc. But yes, you "deserve" everything easy and without any reward, because "omg Blizzard I pay 12.99 every month".Edited by Kosbert on September 14, 2019 2:39PM0 -
EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »I’ve taken so many stones from PvErs trying to open chests in the middle of a PvP zone. That simple locked chest isn’t worth it!!!
L2C
Learn to open Chests.:)
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Kuningatar is right. It is just stupid machanism to have go and bank and drop your telvars there after like 3000 telvars. No point to carry more than that if you really want to earn them something like 250 000.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The main problem with IC is exactly the same problem that you see any time you hear the words pve/pvp zone.
You will end up getting pve players who do the actual hard work, spend half an hour or more farming the pve content...
...and then you get pvp players who spend half a minute ambushing them, stealing the currency and running off.
And those first players aren't idiots either, they're often very good at pve, much better than those pvp players might be.
The problem is that pve and pvp take two completely different types of mentality - those two modes just don't mesh well together. And they never will. And any time you do put pvp and pve together, even if you have the best of intentions it inevitably always ends up being Bullying Simulator 2019
Nonsense. You group for dungeons and trials? You group for sewers and districts... The design is fine, it's players wanting to 'solo' everything that's the problem. No one solos a trial, some can solo dungeons - - with experience, knowledge and build for it. Same for pvp/ve. You group, you play, you get better, you build for it, you might at some point solo. It's not bullying to kill another player in a pvp enabled zone, it is unrealistic to assume a full divine solo setup will survive unscathed, and antisocial to choose to remain ignorant of how to play to avoid and overcome the risk.Edited by mairwen85 on September 14, 2019 6:37PM0 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭The system is ok but definitely could use some rework. Why is it fair for some ganker holding hardly any tel var able to get a lot of telvar from someone who is holding a lot
The more stones you have the more stones you can earn from someone
Some ganker holding no stones should hardly get any from killing anyone
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Kosbert✭✭The system is ok but definitely could use some rework. Why is it fair for some ganker holding hardly any tel var able to get a lot of telvar from someone who is holding a lot
The more stones you have the more stones you can earn from someone
Some ganker holding no stones should hardly get any from killing anyone
They could make a multiplier system, holding a certain amount of stones lets you earn more for killing other players
I just can repeat myself, "fair" is not always good for a game. We have many examples how boring a "fair" game was gone over the years. What OP is asking for is a Safespace ingame, while he can nearly get the same income/hour with grinding ressource nodes in Craglorn. But hey, he want that 15k gold/ 5k telvar stones, not thinking about that these 15k gold will dropp asap to 5k gold/5k telvar stones if you could safe them up.
So he want that insta gratification for a few weeks, because he is entitled to, and then he will be back inside his PvE Area. It's every single year the same lamento, since the IC Event exists. PvE Players flooding IC, realizing that their PvE Knowledge is not that much worth there, PvE Players flooding the forums, asking for Free Stuff.
It's boring, you have 90% of Tamriel to grind nearly the same gold/hour, get your hands off from our Tel Var Stones. Also its pretty easy to grind Tel Vars outside of Events in IC.0 -
Verbal_Earthworm✭✭✭✭✭
✭The main problem with IC is exactly the same problem that you see any time you hear the words pve/pvp zone.
You will end up getting pve players who do the actual hard work, spend half an hour or more farming the pve content...
...and then you get pvp players who spend half a minute ambushing them, stealing the currency and running off.
And those first players aren't idiots either, they're often very good at pve, much better than those pvp players might be.
The problem is that pve and pvp take two completely different types of mentality - those two modes just don't mesh well together. And they never will. And any time you do put pvp and pve together, even if you have the best of intentions it inevitably always ends up being Bullying Simulator 2019
Nonsense. You group for dungeons and trials? You group for sewers and districts... The design is fine, it's players wanting to 'solo' everything that's the problem. No one solos a trial, some can solo dungeons - - with experience, knowledge and build for it. Same for pvp/ve. You group, you play, you get better, you build for it, you might at some point solo. It's not bullying to kill another player in a pvp enabled zone, it is unrealistic to assume a full divine solo setup will survive unscathed, and antisocial to choose to remain ignorant of how to play to avoid and overcome the risk.
I would just like to point out the misspelling of Poe's middle name in your signature.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The more stones you have the more stones you can earn from someone
That would, actually, make the gankings worse and more persistent. Not sure if you've experienced this, but Gankers, particularly ones working behind enemy lines, tend to accumulate a lot of Tel Var. Tel Var they can't bank. Tel Var they're stuck with. Tel Var that's yours after you burst 'em down.
If there's one lesson in the Imperial City it's: "Be vigilant." Keep your eyes open, look for enemies in the area. Take them out before they do the same to you. If you can, travel in packs. Especially if you're working in enemy territory. Learn the layouts, you do NOT want to run screaming down the wrong hallway because you forgot the map.
It's just a different approach. If someone's there plotting to kill you, kill 'em first, take their ill gotten TV, and enjoy.0 -
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✭It can be annoying but as long as I stick to my bank at 10k tel ver rule I’m safe 😎1 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I farmed 1.1Million TV to get the storage chest for housing. It took a while and yes I lost some but it was worth it to not have to use writ vouchers that Id rather spend on the furniture recipes and I sure wasnt going to pay crowns for them.
A lot of crafters have more vouchers than they know what to do with. And they just do daily writs on alts. IF you are PC it's easier with Addons of course. Console always has it tougher, so alt farms there are a grind.
I have maybe 100 Sealed Writs sitting on various alts waiting for a double XP event or when I run out of inventory space.
I know a guildie who has close to 8000 vouchers sitting around.
If you set up your daily writ farming (which it sounds like you'd want to anyway because you want furniture recipes), 1100 vouchers for your storage boxes is fairly easy to get -- made easier now with blue jewelry master writs.
And Rolis doesn't try to gank you and take half your vouchers.
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✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »I know a guildie who has close to 8000 vouchers sitting around.
Jeeze, I've only got like 1600 and I thought I had a problem.0 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭@Kosbert How about you stop being a jackass about it, huh buddy? Because eso has one of the best communities and atmospheres that i've seen and frankly what it does Not need is people who behave like you have done on this thread.
Anyone complains - they're automatically a whiner.
Anyone who is a whiner - you can be as rude to them as you feel like it. (Cause they weak, brah).
I was going to ask you, @Kosbert what's your reason for just whaling on anyone you think is pve or is whining but after I've thought about it, no it doesn't matter what you're reasoning is. You're being toxic and there's no excuse for it.
"nobody needs your presence here", "go back to craglorn". If you were talking about anything other than a game, then any admin in the world would shut you down in nine seconds flat. But even as it is, nobody needs your pve-r-plebs mentality.
Especially since from your previous posts it's pretty clear why you're writing stuff like this - because this is the little gold farming niche that you've found and you're terrified that any changes to the game will take it away from you.
Nah, it is really just because I am disgusted by Generation Blizzard/WoW Insta Gratification. Everything has to be insta, without any effort and please for free. We dont need that in ESO, we dont need another "fair" and white washed Blizzard Game. I dont wanna need the patch 2014 to save the game like WoW had to do it with Classic.
All you or OP want is easy reward without any effort. Not even thinking about what happens if Telvars are in a PvE Enviroment and/or safed like AP. The price will drop, it will get botted to hell etc. But yes, you "deserve" everything easy and without any reward, because "omg Blizzard I pay 12.99 every month".
Who is this "we" you keep using, or rather abusing to try to make a point?
Enlighten me how your clear disgust with "everything has to be instant, without any effort" fits with the reality of almost naked gankers with close to 0 TV and nothing to lose can get fat on other peoples TV due to no mechanic in place to scale their TV gained down?
People like me want a proper mechanic in place to prevent a naked ganker with nothing to lose getting fat on a single kill due to the target carrying massive amounts of TV.
Additionally you sound like you depend on currency like TV for gold and couldn't care less about the PvP element of the currency.3 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »I know a guildie who has close to 8000 vouchers sitting around.
Jeeze, I've only got like 1600 and I thought I had a problem.
You do have a problem -- Being so wealthy you don't know what to spend it on.
It's a good problem to have.0 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lets be honest - losing Tel Vars isn't fun. Especially when you get destroyed by a zerg or ballgroup. In thoise tight corridors they are impossible to kite.
Maybe we shouldn't be getting Tel Vars for player kills? For me killing another player is fun enough. I don't need Tel Vars or even AP for that. Maybe that way we would have more Tel Var farmers and maybe some of them would turn to become PvPers that we need to bolster our population. Think about it: if the PvP population becomes high enough, then maybe ZOS will finally fix lag for us.2 -
Kosbert✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »@Kosbert How about you stop being a jackass about it, huh buddy? Because eso has one of the best communities and atmospheres that i've seen and frankly what it does Not need is people who behave like you have done on this thread.
Anyone complains - they're automatically a whiner.
Anyone who is a whiner - you can be as rude to them as you feel like it. (Cause they weak, brah).
I was going to ask you, @Kosbert what's your reason for just whaling on anyone you think is pve or is whining but after I've thought about it, no it doesn't matter what you're reasoning is. You're being toxic and there's no excuse for it.
"nobody needs your presence here", "go back to craglorn". If you were talking about anything other than a game, then any admin in the world would shut you down in nine seconds flat. But even as it is, nobody needs your pve-r-plebs mentality.
Especially since from your previous posts it's pretty clear why you're writing stuff like this - because this is the little gold farming niche that you've found and you're terrified that any changes to the game will take it away from you.
Nah, it is really just because I am disgusted by Generation Blizzard/WoW Insta Gratification. Everything has to be insta, without any effort and please for free. We dont need that in ESO, we dont need another "fair" and white washed Blizzard Game. I dont wanna need the patch 2014 to save the game like WoW had to do it with Classic.
All you or OP want is easy reward without any effort. Not even thinking about what happens if Telvars are in a PvE Enviroment and/or safed like AP. The price will drop, it will get botted to hell etc. But yes, you "deserve" everything easy and without any reward, because "omg Blizzard I pay 12.99 every month".
Who is this "we" you keep using, or rather abusing to try to make a point?
Enlighten me how your clear disgust with "everything has to be instant, without any effort" fits with the reality of almost naked gankers with close to 0 TV and nothing to lose can get fat on other peoples TV due to no mechanic in place to scale their TV gained down?
People like me want a proper mechanic in place to prevent a naked ganker with nothing to lose getting fat on a single kill due to the target carrying massive amounts of TV.
Additionally you sound like you depend on currency like TV for gold and couldn't care less about the PvP element of the currency.
All these stuff does not makes my argument invalid
There is no need for you to grind in IC Telvars. Outside of Events you have nearly the same income like grinding Ressource Nodes on the Starting Areas. So instead of farming there, you want in a PvP Area a safe income, turning down the Value of the TV's, because "it's unfair that someone got more then me". You could start improving your PvP Skills. Nobody ganks a decent brawler fit, with the right skillset. But you want with your Alcast Build jumping into IC, farming the dank TV's and jumping out without any risk.
Because everything has to be "fair". Do you really want ZOS introducing a patch from 2014 to save the game ? Like Blizzard had to do, after they gave their community every single QoL Improvement they wanted ?
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✭✭There were a bunch of team purples (a very blue shade of purple, to be sure) camping the doors by the AD sewer doors again tonight for over an hour. I got over 1k TV from them. And I suck at PVP. I died a whole bunch of times, but I would run out with 0TV, and sometimes I would have a few TV when I'd rez, which I would bank. A couple of times I would notice I had gotten 300 or 500 for whatever reason, and I'd run in the door and bank 'em. Eventually I got bored and went upstairs into town (got about 1k from there), but couldn't find a boss, so I went out the door to the sewer again and was there when the purples were finally pushed back for a while long enough to get the wandering sewer boss for my tix.
Bottom line, I don't see a problem with how it is now. If you start with 0 TV, then anything you end up with is more than what you started with even if you die. Outside of the bosses, it isn't like it's that hard to get more.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭...and the best are those "attitude" comments. Somehow PvE players have no issues to chase 10 vs 1 single PvP player. Players are players, the difference is that ones are prepared for PvP others are not. I've met many PvE players in very tanky builds that were simply to robust to be interested in killing them (these are the prepared ones), also many of them moved in large groups (these are the patient ones). If you think that PvPers should leave you just because you don't like PvP and you refuse to do anything to not get killed then... You will die.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge1 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭...and the best are those "attitude" comments. Somehow PvE players have no issues to chase 10 vs 1 single PvP player. Players are players, the difference is that ones are prepared for PvP others are not. I've met many PvE players in very tanky builds that were simply to robust to be interested in killing them (these are the prepared ones), also many of them moved in large groups (these are the patient ones). If you think that PvPers should leave you just because you don't like PvP and you refuse to do anything to not get killed then... You will die.
I agree with this. Those same PvE players catch you 10v1 will try to kill you in divines and everything. I died once and some cp200 that was no where in the fight tbagged me. I told him “Look, you know you didn’t kill me, why you bagging”. He said chill out. He was just enjoying the event. I said “aight.”
I went and camped his base. I went 109 and 5 down in that hole lol.1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Lets be honest - losing Tel Vars isn't fun. Especially when you get destroyed by a zerg or ballgroup. In thoise tight corridors they are impossible to kite.
Maybe we shouldn't be getting Tel Vars for player kills? For me killing another player is fun enough. I don't need Tel Vars or even AP for that. Maybe that way we would have more Tel Var farmers and maybe some of them would turn to become PvPers that we need to bolster our population. Think about it: if the PvP population becomes high enough, then maybe ZOS will finally fix lag for us.
So you bolster the pvp population by.....taking out all of the rewards from pvping? Do you actually pvp? Do you know how long it takes to grind to grand overlord? That's a gigantic AP loss and would overnight kill pvp0