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For All crying about Dizzying Swing
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
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A weapon skill should never be better than a class‘s spammable yet..BiS for stamden/stamsorc/stamcro/stamplar/stamdkSpiderKnight wrote: »So many people defend an overpowered, overused skill, might lose their mindless wins if it's nerfed like it should be. No counter to a team full of spamtards going against one person with dizzy.
Interesting 🤔
Good one. Now show us that very class spam on stamsorcs and stamdks. Shall I count the bird as stamden's spam? *** like that only works if you give every class the same toolkit, which in turn would lead to an even bigger loss of class identity. But sure thing, just nerf every weapon skill until my hurricane tickles you to death.4 -
shimm✭✭✭✭✭Dizzying swing op? Git gud?
Doesn’t matter...
Everybody’s using it... it WILL be nerfed (again).4 -
Stoney_McGeee✭✭✭I’d rather take dizzying swing then old school wrecking blow spam. Jahahah(Soulless Knights)
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
A weapon skill should never be better than a class‘s spammable yet..BiS for stamden/stamsorc/stamcro/stamplar/stamdkSpiderKnight wrote: »So many people defend an overpowered, overused skill, might lose their mindless wins if it's nerfed like it should be. No counter to a team full of spamtards going against one person with dizzy.
Interesting 🤔
Good one. Now show us that very class spam on stamsorcs and stamdks. Shall I count the bird as stamden's spam? *** like that only works if you give every class the same toolkit, which in turn would lead to an even bigger loss of class identity. But sure thing, just nerf every weapon skill until my hurricane tickles you to death.
Wtf are you going on about? I was implying that class spam should be better, obv that means stamsorc needs 1 to begin with
But the fact that basically every stam class is running dswing shows that class spams are trash or that dswing is overperforming
I use dswing instead of bird on my stamden1 -
beadabow✭✭✭Now if only mag builds could spin staves and hit home runs while contemplating the mundus/aetherial disconnect between the interdimensional disciplines. That would be a sight to see.6 -
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✭✭Now if only mag builds could spin staves and hit home runs while contemplating the mundus/aetherial disconnect between the interdimensional disciplines. That would be a sight to see.
Don't forget it should be "melee" and do as much damage as dizzying swing, as well as have the ultra large range of it thats mysteriously unexplained by its own tooltip. Then it would be great to browse the forums with a side of popcorn.4 -
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Same here lolKuramas9tails wrote: »My head hurts.
I can not tell if this is a joke post. If not, dear Talos.
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Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭Stoney_McGeee wrote: »I’d rather take dizzying swing then old school wrecking blow spam. Jahahah
Dizzy IS the old wrecking blow. The knock back was moved from one morph to the other.1 -
Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭BTW I'd like to express my deepest respect for the OP for managing to write such an elaborate post before his rage cooled off.4
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rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess the solution is to have the devs nerf the top 10 most used skills and armor sets every quarter until we end up just light attacking all the time. Suddenly the bad PUG groups will be meta!"Get off my lawn!"3 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dizzying Swing for president!! When you want a safe place for your family and kids, choose dizzying swing, if you want the freedom you desereve choose dizzying swing0 -
xeha_arwen11✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »I guess the solution is to have the devs nerf the top 10 most used skills and armor sets every quarter until we end up just light attacking all the time. Suddenly the bad PUG groups will be meta!
Nah. The Devs could just make skills equal then everyone could use different strategies and have skillful fun instead of 80 percent of people spamming the same thing over and over. They try to nerf things but it never works, it just moves that 80 percent from one OP thing to the next.
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✭✭✭✭✭You know if ZoS hadn't nerfed pretty much every viable class option, all the bow skills to wet noodle status, maybe people wouldnt have to resort to dizzying swing to get the job done.
But instead of rectifying those changes, DS will get the nerf bat too.
Better start honing those wet noodle skill because that's all that will be left soonEdited by Katahdin on September 10, 2019 1:31PMBeta tester November 20135 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem isnt dizzy swing per se. The problem is that the stamina toolkit is heavily overloaded right now, and the condensed power/stun of dizzy allows them to take advantage of it.
BRP dual wield which gives major protection, and major evasion from shuffle allow stamina toons to basically ignore damage from many ults and all aoes. The free penetration from onslaught allows stamina to wear tankier/sustain sets since they dont need to worry about pen for massive damage.
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✭✭✭Most players in this game are insanely latent. DS doesn’t work for me usually.0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Who, I repeat, WHO is letting you land Dizzying Swing?
Give me their names. Even in under 50 pvp people easily avoid and reset the cast time for Dizzy.
I had someone chase me down and focus me while trying to get to a flag using all their energy on trying to land Dizzying Swing and that is the only time it’s killed me, because I was distracted/ focused on something else.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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A weapon skill should never be better than a class‘s spammable yet..BiS for stamden/stamsorc/stamcro/stamplar/stamdkSpiderKnight wrote: »So many people defend an overpowered, overused skill, might lose their mindless wins if it's nerfed like it should be. No counter to a team full of spamtards going against one person with dizzy.
Interesting 🤔Dizzy Swing takes skillz... u died because your are skilless
Should’ve stopped reading after this. This must be another troll. Didn’t bother reading the whole thing about another dizzy swing thread but the skill is definitely overperforming and we most certainly don’t need another thread saying dizzy swing isn’t actually OP atm nor a thread trying to say dizzy swing is OP with a lot of sarcasm.SpiderKnight wrote: »So many people defend an overpowered, overused skill, might lose their mindless wins if it's nerfed like it should be. No counter to a team full of spamtards going against one person with dizzy.
Right. Everyone and their grandpa is running Soul Splitting Trap as well. Mag, stam, pve, pvp, every build has Soul Trap. But Dizzying Swing is op?#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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tonemd✭✭✭✭xeha_arwen11 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »I guess the solution is to have the devs nerf the top 10 most used skills and armor sets every quarter until we end up just light attacking all the time. Suddenly the bad PUG groups will be meta!
Nah. The Devs could just make skills equal then everyone could use different strategies and have skillful fun instead of 80 percent of people spamming the same thing over and over. They try to nerf things but it never works, it just moves that 80 percent from one OP thing to the next.
How do you "make skills equal" and still have "different strategies"?2 -
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✭Dizzy is being used more than anything else because it's basically the only stamina spammable in the game right now other than stamplar jabs, but that has a lot of issues with the current performance of the game.
Stamsorc and stamdk have no class spammable and all other weapon spammables have been gutted or was useless to begin with, and stamden, stamcro and stamblade have bad spammables imo, like stamden birds, it's just pointless.
And last patch they completely destroyed snb playstyle so forcing people further to use dizzy.
I don't think dizzy is op, It's range seems quite bugged and sometimes hits enemies way further than it should so that could be fixed and I would be fine with it's cast time going abck to normal, to require more skill and add more counterplay again, but the cost and damage should remain the same.
They should buff other options, so other spammables actually have a use. Because when a skill is never, ever picked because it sucks so much it's a pretty clear sign that it needs a buff.
Edited by Crixus8000 on September 10, 2019 8:06PM4 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dizzying Swing is the love of my life.
Dizzying Swing is used on all of my Stamina characters.
Dizzying Swing is the love of my life that helps my Onslaught secure counterless kills.
Dizzying Swing is the love of my life that is used 70% or more of the time on my Stam characters.
Dizzying Swing lets me deal 7k to 9k damage to others.
Dizzying Swing in some cases single handlely kills my enemies.
Dizzying Swing is love Dizzying Swing is life.
ZO$ please don't nerf my Dizzying Swing or my Onslaught. They allow me to get kills where others will not.
Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on September 10, 2019 5:35PM4 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So, if I"m supposed to "get gud" what's the counter to "target out of range" when they're right in my face? Or the added 0.5 second delay of using a controller and gamepad UI (which means animation cancelling is pointless). Or the fact that my basic lag is 125... sorry Comcast won't do *&&^ about that.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
A weapon skill should never be better than a class‘s spammable yet..BiS for stamden/stamsorc/stamcro/stamplar/stamdkSpiderKnight wrote: »So many people defend an overpowered, overused skill, might lose their mindless wins if it's nerfed like it should be. No counter to a team full of spamtards going against one person with dizzy.
Interesting 🤔
Good one. Now show us that very class spam on stamsorcs and stamdks. Shall I count the bird as stamden's spam? *** like that only works if you give every class the same toolkit, which in turn would lead to an even bigger loss of class identity. But sure thing, just nerf every weapon skill until my hurricane tickles you to death.
Wtf are you going on about? I was implying that class spam should be better, obv that means stamsorc needs 1 to begin with
But the fact that basically every stam class is running dswing shows that class spams are trash or that dswing is overperforming
I use dswing instead of bird on my stamden
Just one question: if every class skill is better than what weapons have to offer, who would use weapon skills then? Answer is: nobody. That's the reason why not every class has access everything. Arguably, some classes offer less then others but that's a topic worth of it's own.
But I can agree that those with own spams should be on par with generic spams. E.g. Birds are simply bad. But in the U24 preview they teased changes to them especially. But then again, if you make class skills so much better than everything else those classes without access to an equivalent would suffer.
Anyway, everybody and their mother runs soul trap in evey scenario ZOS can offer. Poison Injection, Wall of Elements, Endless Hail, Entropy are on every build, shall we nerf skills these skills too because people use them? That's why skills exist, for people to use them.0 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dizzy Swing takes skillz... u died because your are skilless
get good...
Now excuse me while I go to BGs and bully everybody with dizzying swing...
QQ becuase Dizzying Swing is the answer to Living Dark and other AOE, DOT resist builds...
When I have to decide between an execute and Dizzying Swing ... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!(if they heal, your execute turns to trash damage... dizzy is constant)
When I have to choose between any stam templar move(*** face jabs that get nerfed by major evasion) or Dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!
When I have to heal or use Dizzying Swing... I CHOOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!!(Lets face it 2h heal is trash now. let it expire heal u...)
When I have to chose between surprise attack or dizzying swing I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING..(surprise attack is utterly worthless IMO I don't cloak as an NB)
When I have to choose between DK DOTS and Dizzing Swing... I PUT THE DOTS ON THEN DIZZY SWING!!!(DK ORC FTW)
When I have to choose between an Ulti and Dizzying Swing...I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (I go use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere for the 300 WD. I have dizzy to stun)
When I have to choose between champion points and dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (with cp everything in direct damage of course)
Dizzying Swing is LIFE!!!
Not that all this occurred not because dizzying swing was buffed or is better...it is because ZoS nerfed everything on the board...So then they caused another pigeon hole... like they did back in the day when everybody and their mothers were using dawnbreaker of smiting... (i was using sweeps but they nerfed it for stamina users... it's utter trash...)
I didn't have veiled heritance or Ravager to proc my damage from AoE (usually my jabs) or DoT moves (which some get nerfed by major evasion) So what did I do? What did everybody else did?
We picked up Dizzying Swing....
Surprise attack is worthless... 5% physical resistance decrease? NO... 10% would have been ok...Then you try to justify that by saying that worthless mark move reduces 5k resists... I don't slot that mark move on my bar.. do you know why? I don't cloak....I don't gank....Everybody and their mothers know to run away when you place that mark on them... it has become trash to even place.. no real NB would use it...I only have 50-60 skill points on the NB and I can see that...
I mean..why in the hell would I try to run or heal when there are strong DOTS on me? Go straight to them ....Dizzy them... because if i try to jab somebody with anything around them (pets, people, guards, etc) .. that sure as hell won't work..
Oh and now that I realized bash moves faster than a light attack... hmmm...there is something there... As bash is also a single target direct damage...
The direct damage sorcs knew they key to play all along...
Now to be fair...I am probably not finding anything new....this was probably some old style of play that was not widely used until the nerfs...
ZoS's answer will probably be to do what they did to Dawnbreaker...luckily I haven't been animation cancelling recently lol...
Remember I use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere to get 300 WD for 20 seconds... Back in the day flawless gave me 6% WD... I was able to hit some high numbers with that with ravager.... now I lowered my WD since I get a constant 300 WD... and put that into other places...
TLDR: ZoS fault I use Dizzying Swing...Direct Damage is the new Meta...ORC DK FTW....
What do you do when you have to make a choice between going on a date with a hot babe or using Dizzy Swing in BG?0 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Dizzy Swing takes skillz... u died because your are skilless
get good...
Now excuse me while I go to BGs and bully everybody with dizzying swing...
QQ becuase Dizzying Swing is the answer to Living Dark and other AOE, DOT resist builds...
When I have to decide between an execute and Dizzying Swing ... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!(if they heal, your execute turns to trash damage... dizzy is constant)
When I have to choose between any stam templar move(*** face jabs that get nerfed by major evasion) or Dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!
When I have to heal or use Dizzying Swing... I CHOOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!!(Lets face it 2h heal is trash now. let it expire heal u...)
When I have to chose between surprise attack or dizzying swing I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING..(surprise attack is utterly worthless IMO I don't cloak as an NB)
When I have to choose between DK DOTS and Dizzing Swing... I PUT THE DOTS ON THEN DIZZY SWING!!!(DK ORC FTW)
When I have to choose between an Ulti and Dizzying Swing...I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (I go use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere for the 300 WD. I have dizzy to stun)
When I have to choose between champion points and dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (with cp everything in direct damage of course)
Dizzying Swing is LIFE!!!
Not that all this occurred not because dizzying swing was buffed or is better...it is because ZoS nerfed everything on the board...So then they caused another pigeon hole... like they did back in the day when everybody and their mothers were using dawnbreaker of smiting... (i was using sweeps but they nerfed it for stamina users... it's utter trash...)
I didn't have veiled heritance or Ravager to proc my damage from AoE (usually my jabs) or DoT moves (which some get nerfed by major evasion) So what did I do? What did everybody else did?
We picked up Dizzying Swing....
Surprise attack is worthless... 5% physical resistance decrease? NO... 10% would have been ok...Then you try to justify that by saying that worthless mark move reduces 5k resists... I don't slot that mark move on my bar.. do you know why? I don't cloak....I don't gank....Everybody and their mothers know to run away when you place that mark on them... it has become trash to even place.. no real NB would use it...I only have 50-60 skill points on the NB and I can see that...
I mean..why in the hell would I try to run or heal when there are strong DOTS on me? Go straight to them ....Dizzy them... because if i try to jab somebody with anything around them (pets, people, guards, etc) .. that sure as hell won't work..
Oh and now that I realized bash moves faster than a light attack... hmmm...there is something there... As bash is also a single target direct damage...
The direct damage sorcs knew they key to play all along...
Now to be fair...I am probably not finding anything new....this was probably some old style of play that was not widely used until the nerfs...
ZoS's answer will probably be to do what they did to Dawnbreaker...luckily I haven't been animation cancelling recently lol...
Remember I use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere to get 300 WD for 20 seconds... Back in the day flawless gave me 6% WD... I was able to hit some high numbers with that with ravager.... now I lowered my WD since I get a constant 300 WD... and put that into other places...
TLDR: ZoS fault I use Dizzying Swing...Direct Damage is the new Meta...ORC DK FTW....
What do you do when you have to make a choice between going on a date with a hot babe or using Dizzy Swing in BG?
That is easy. Dizzying Swing in BG all the time!0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Dizzy Swing takes skillz... u died because your are skilless
get good...
Now excuse me while I go to BGs and bully everybody with dizzying swing...
QQ becuase Dizzying Swing is the answer to Living Dark and other AOE, DOT resist builds...
When I have to decide between an execute and Dizzying Swing ... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!(if they heal, your execute turns to trash damage... dizzy is constant)
When I have to choose between any stam templar move(*** face jabs that get nerfed by major evasion) or Dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!
When I have to heal or use Dizzying Swing... I CHOOSE DIZZYING SWING!!!!(Lets face it 2h heal is trash now. let it expire heal u...)
When I have to chose between surprise attack or dizzying swing I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING..(surprise attack is utterly worthless IMO I don't cloak as an NB)
When I have to choose between DK DOTS and Dizzing Swing... I PUT THE DOTS ON THEN DIZZY SWING!!!(DK ORC FTW)
When I have to choose between an Ulti and Dizzying Swing...I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (I go use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere for the 300 WD. I have dizzy to stun)
When I have to choose between champion points and dizzying swing... I CHOSE DIZZYING SWING!!! (with cp everything in direct damage of course)
Dizzying Swing is LIFE!!!
Not that all this occurred not because dizzying swing was buffed or is better...it is because ZoS nerfed everything on the board...So then they caused another pigeon hole... like they did back in the day when everybody and their mothers were using dawnbreaker of smiting... (i was using sweeps but they nerfed it for stamina users... it's utter trash...)
I didn't have veiled heritance or Ravager to proc my damage from AoE (usually my jabs) or DoT moves (which some get nerfed by major evasion) So what did I do? What did everybody else did?
We picked up Dizzying Swing....
Surprise attack is worthless... 5% physical resistance decrease? NO... 10% would have been ok...Then you try to justify that by saying that worthless mark move reduces 5k resists... I don't slot that mark move on my bar.. do you know why? I don't cloak....I don't gank....Everybody and their mothers know to run away when you place that mark on them... it has become trash to even place.. no real NB would use it...I only have 50-60 skill points on the NB and I can see that...
I mean..why in the hell would I try to run or heal when there are strong DOTS on me? Go straight to them ....Dizzy them... because if i try to jab somebody with anything around them (pets, people, guards, etc) .. that sure as hell won't work..
Oh and now that I realized bash moves faster than a light attack... hmmm...there is something there... As bash is also a single target direct damage...
The direct damage sorcs knew they key to play all along...
Now to be fair...I am probably not finding anything new....this was probably some old style of play that was not widely used until the nerfs...
ZoS's answer will probably be to do what they did to Dawnbreaker...luckily I haven't been animation cancelling recently lol...
Remember I use flawless dawnbreaker in the middle of nowhere to get 300 WD for 20 seconds... Back in the day flawless gave me 6% WD... I was able to hit some high numbers with that with ravager.... now I lowered my WD since I get a constant 300 WD... and put that into other places...
TLDR: ZoS fault I use Dizzying Swing...Direct Damage is the new Meta...ORC DK FTW....
What do you do when you have to make a choice between going on a date with a hot babe or using Dizzy Swing in BG?
Fevered infants have nothing to do with this.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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✭✭✭Dizzy swing is literally the only skill in the game that requires more than two functional brain cells to utilize.0331
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