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Another Idiotic Event - Forcing PvP is Horrid!
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.3 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ICP and WGT are PvP now?FlopsyPrince wrote: »Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
And, as usual, the same jerks laugh and try to legitimate their griefing. Well, I know they don't care about it, but they shouldn't be surprised that some of us really hate the whole PvP crowd. I don't care about dying a few times. It's boring me, it slows my monster hunt, but it's still much, much faster than dungeoning. I do mind the arsehole attitude of what is basically a cancer in every game ever : PvP, and PvP folks.
The only cancer in every game ever (I would also extend this into being an issue in real life) are players with the same mindset as you who generalize an entire group of players based on what they find fun. In this instance the fact that you seem to think "the whole pvp crowd" is a cancer. Meanwhile in pve there are also tons of toxic players you can run into.
The problem players aren't associated with PvP or PvE content specifically, but with competitive content.
I would suggest that the requirements that are imposed on people by competitive content, by virtue of how thin the margins for error can be, drive/inspire them to toxic and elitist behaviour. You are always going to get bad apples in every barrel, but I think that by its very nature, competitive content either concentrates those that exist in one place... or takes chilled-out folks and un-chills them.
Humans are competitive by nature.
If you look at all of history, they're also petty, grasping, greedy, selfish, and often subjective to group sociopathy.1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
Huh. I was wondering why the OPs post was edited. Good catch."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.Huh. I was wondering why the OPs post was edited. Good catch.
Not much of a catch since it was already pointed out and acknowledged. I am so glad so many of you here never make an obvious mistake. Watch out that you don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back so much though!
I know looking down on others is fun too, glad to give you some fun here.
I guess you would also prefer I just ignore correction so you can gloat more?Edited by FlopsyPrince on September 9, 2019 2:32AMPC
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
And, as usual, the same jerks laugh and try to legitimate their griefing. Well, I know they don't care about it, but they shouldn't be surprised that some of us really hate the whole PvP crowd. I don't care about dying a few times. It's boring me, it slows my monster hunt, but it's still much, much faster than dungeoning. I do mind the arsehole attitude of what is basically a cancer in every game ever : PvP, and PvP folks.
The only cancer in every game ever (I would also extend this into being an issue in real life) are players with the same mindset as you who generalize an entire group of players based on what they find fun. In this instance the fact that you seem to think "the whole pvp crowd" is a cancer. Meanwhile in pve there are also tons of toxic players you can run into.
The problem players aren't associated with PvP or PvE content specifically, but with competitive content.
I would suggest that the requirements that are imposed on people by competitive content, by virtue of how thin the margins for error can be, drive/inspire them to toxic and elitist behaviour. You are always going to get bad apples in every barrel, but I think that by its very nature, competitive content either concentrates those that exist in one place... or takes chilled-out folks and un-chills them.
Humans are competitive by nature.
If you look at all of history, they're also petty, grasping, greedy, selfish, and often subjective to group sociopathy.
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."4 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@FlopsyPrince stop whining and act like an adult. It's a game, you didnt lose anything that would actually affect you in real life.
You have 2 choices, learn to lose and get back out there or just quit.4 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.Huh. I was wondering why the OPs post was edited. Good catch.
Not much of a catch since it was already pointed out and acknowledged. I am so glad so many of you here never make an obvious mistake. Watch out that you don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back so much though!
I know looking down on others is fun too, glad to give you some fun here.
I guess you would also prefer I just ignore correction so you can gloat more?
I was curious as to why it was edited. That's it.
Incidentally, I personally wouldn't bash a dev and demand their resignation just because I didn't like a certain aspect of the game. But that's just me. You do you and have a blessed day."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »There is only two events a year for pvp. Double ap and double telvar. This is like the only year IC has been actually filled with people. Every single other event is just questing or dungeons. Which everyone complains that pvpers ruin dungeons etc. just do something new. Put on some gear and join some friends or a random zerg from zone chat.
Getting double Tel Var is not relevant for most of us since it is lost so quickly. One death and you lose most of what you had. That is far too fast if you want to make non-PvPers dip their toes in the water more.
If you're getting double rate and you die an average amount of times it ends up being normal non event tel var rates in the end. If you like IC or decide you want to play more, you know now the average experience of IC. It ends up being a pretty good tutorial, especially with anything in this game, the more you PVP the better you will do. I'm having a blast personally and I hope with the free dlc more people will get in on the competitive spirit and IC becomes even more lively year round.
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Got all my tickets
Haven’t had to deal with toxic PvP once..
Farming Leeching Plate and monster hats for fun.
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Also PvP, like dungeons, really is one of those things that are so much more fun in a group - ideally with comms. That way you don’t mind being offed quite as much and you’ll get help getting better.
Being killed repeatedly on your own really is too much like being bullied for me1 -
Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you can't handle PvP game play then all I can say is stay out of it. I see no reason to complain. You can always purchase the event tickets you need and there are other events that are strictly PvE.
Oh we can handle it mighty fine, thank you. I haven't PvPed for years, and I still managed to kill more ganking newbfarmers than they managed to kill me. By a small margin, but still. It's just extremely boring and tedious.
I don't understand the point of this event, really. If it's supposed to make us PvE folks like / enjoy PvP, it fails miserably. If the point is to make us buy the tickets to avoid the event entirely, it might work for some, but personnaly I'm not spending a dime on something I can get for free with just a bit of boredom. But truly, I suspect this kind of crap is what the combat team believes to be fun. If so, that's very, very sad.VaranisArano wrote: »The whole point of Midyear Mayhem is to celebrate all forms of PVP, so I don't find it bothersome that there is no PVE-only method for getting rewards.
But there is ! You have some PvE quests during midyear mayhem. Granted, they are in Cyrodiil, but with proper caution you can take the quest, get to the target and back without ever having to fight anyone. Heck, I even got the Cyrodiil fishing achievement without fighting anyone, ever.
It's another matter en tirely when you must wander through tight hallways and corridors, though. Sure, there are the dungeons, but between the queue and the dungeon itself, not to mention the extremely boring fact that you'll have to repeat the same dungeons every single day, it's much more time-consuming than being ganked a few times on your way to the boss. Frustration VS time lost, that's basically a proper summary of that event.
To me, PVE means there's no threat of PVP. Zones like Auridon or Elsweyr are PVE. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are PVP enabled, so the whole zone is PvPvE. There is no safe PVE in Cyrodiil.
All quests in Cyrodiil are PvPvE, as all of them take place in a PVP enabled zone, as intended. All of them are intended to have PVP as the main source of threat. 3 out of the 5 towns are PVP objectives and the other 2 lie between PVP objectives. Chorrol in particular is a target for scroll trollers.
So no, I don't buy that Cyrodiil has PVE quests. There is no PVE safety while questing. None. Every one of those quests can be interrupted by PVP at any time, hence PvPvE.
Well, I'm afraid you're entirely wrong in at least one given case. Which case happens to be that of my main character.
There is one amazing thing called stealth. The only moments you can be interrupted in those quests are when you talk to the quest giver and when you're fighting the target. Any other moment is absolutely, perfectly, completely safe if you're stealthy. Just go where people are not, keep an eye open, stay out of the main roads, and remain stealthed. If you haver a thief character, it's easy. You don't even have to bother with ovement pernalty if you're geared for proper thievery.
So, sure, it keeps you on edge. But unless you're absolutely careless, you're safe, because you will always see them coming before they see you, unless you're so damn unlucky that you bump into an enemy player that happeend to be stealthed too. Which shouldn't happen in the large, open areas of Cyrodiil.
Which, of course, is not the case in the tight hallways and small corridors of Imperial City. You can't avoid enemy players, even stealthed, unless maybe if you're a khajiit with improved hiding through gear.0 -
Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
And, as usual, the same jerks laugh and try to legitimate their griefing. Well, I know they don't care about it, but they shouldn't be surprised that some of us really hate the whole PvP crowd. I don't care about dying a few times. It's boring me, it slows my monster hunt, but it's still much, much faster than dungeoning. I do mind the arsehole attitude of what is basically a cancer in every game ever : PvP, and PvP folks.
The only cancer in every game ever (I would also extend this into being an issue in real life) are players with the same mindset as you who generalize an entire group of players based on what they find fun. In this instance the fact that you seem to think "the whole pvp crowd" is a cancer. Meanwhile in pve there are also tons of toxic players you can run into.
The problem players aren't associated with PvP or PvE content specifically, but with competitive content.
I would suggest that the requirements that are imposed on people by competitive content, by virtue of how thin the margins for error can be, drive/inspire them to toxic and elitist behaviour. You are always going to get bad apples in every barrel, but I think that by its very nature, competitive content either concentrates those that exist in one place... or takes chilled-out folks and un-chills them.
Humans are competitive by nature.
Wrong. Humans are cooperative AND competitive by nature, but society decided to place emphasis on competition. I suppose it's better for the bottom line, but perosnnaly I care not for the bottom line.
I'll agree to what is said above, though : you can finbd toxic players in PvE too, so I should nuance my wording. The cancer is not PvP by itself, it's elitist arses, be them in PvE or PvP. Problem is, PvP is full of them with a minority of decent folks, due to its very nature of "I'm playing against you". When you play WITH someone, you work toward a common goal, not against each other's goal, so theoretically, you should be more inclined to make the cooperation worthwhile. Sure, there are zillion of jerks who'd rather think they know better and tell you how to play (and sometimes they're actually right but lack the pedagoy to do so properly), but it's not in the very nature of that kind of game mode to pit people against one another.2 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The crying and whining is usually higher than normal during the very few PvP events offered each year. This time, it's taken to an even higher level. I still remain confused how there's no issue about dying to scripted, practiced boss fights but therapy seems necessary at the very thought of dying to another player.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.
Its less unbalanced and more than you chose a very ineffecient way to farm Tel Var.
Tel Var is split between everyone who's attacking the creature. So if you are in a spontaneous zerg, it makes perfect sense that you got very few Tel Var even though you did significant damage to creatures.
Its part of the risk/reward design of IC. Smaller groups get more Tel Var, but always have less strength in numbers.
Moreover, one of the issues with Tel Var farming during this event is that there are predictably a lot of PVPers around! If you can defend yourself, excellent! If not, then yeah, a number of deaths is to be expected.
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
However, if you really want to farm Tel Var during the event but you arent confident of yiur ability to fight players, here's the best method:
1. Buy Sigils of Imperial Retreat from your home base
2. Go with a small group for some protection and reasonable Tel Var gains. If attacked, stick together and heal proactively.
3. Gather a small amount, up to a couple thousand or so, then use your Sigil and bank your gains.
If you aren't confident of fighting off PVPers, gathering Tel Var during this event is more about slow, but steady gains as you bank often. Later, when the event is over and there are less players around, you can take greaters risks and carry more Tel Var.1 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »Now I have to get ganked over and over just to make my daily tickets.
[snip]
[Edit for bashing.]
Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
UPDATE: I have realized since posting this that you can also run the dungeons for the tickets. That makes it more tolerable, though this was still quite a frustrating experience at first. Feel free to complain at me for being vocal about that, but I don't need to be reminded of the other option since I did miss that when making the original base post.
Have you tried running the dungeons...0 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
He dont need to be skilled PvPer.
Game is already (with no offense) noob friendly.
I dont get it guys. I never seen a post where pvp players complain that they need to trait infused/divine when grind pve events.
Trials and arena for sets, or just a vet instances.
All i see is PvErs complain that they get smashed in PVP zone.
Even in cyrodil zerg raids, there are few dedicated healers. Mos of the PvPers prefer to dps.So this is PvP weak side- lack of healers. Self heal is good when you wreck non pvp geared newbies, but wont keep you alive vs party of 10.
So why instead of complaining in forums how horid Imp city is, get a grp of 5-10 ppl, rank it with 2 tanks, 2-3 dedicated healers and rest dps. Equip some impen traited gear, put some points in "resistant" and go wreck the imp city?
Is that what you do in PvE right ? Make raids ?So i cant see the problem here.
If you prefer to play solo- its your choise. You have no right to complain, or blame.
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.
Its less unbalanced and more than you chose a very ineffecient way to farm Tel Var.
Tel Var is split between everyone who's attacking the creature. So if you are in a spontaneous zerg, it makes perfect sense that you got very few Tel Var even though you did significant damage to creatures.
Its part of the risk/reward design of IC. Smaller groups get more Tel Var, but always have less strength in numbers.
Moreover, one of the issues with Tel Var farming during this event is that there are predictably a lot of PVPers around! If you can defend yourself, excellent! If not, then yeah, a number of deaths is to be expected.
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
However, if you really want to farm Tel Var during the event but you arent confident of yiur ability to fight players, here's the best method:
1. Buy Sigils of Imperial Retreat from your home base
2. Go with a small group for some protection and reasonable Tel Var gains. If attacked, stick together and heal proactively.
3. Gather a small amount, up to a couple thousand or so, then use your Sigil and bank your gains.
If you aren't confident of fighting off PVPers, gathering Tel Var during this event is more about slow, but steady gains as you bank often. Later, when the event is over and there are less players around, you can take greaters risks and carry more Tel Var.
I am sure you are right about that. Just ran my "boss kill for tickets" this morning and started off getting ganked by a set of players who thought that was great fun to be had. I waited a while and followed a bunch of others there. I am guessing the gankers either left or hid in a corner with so many people around.
Strong PvPers need to prey on PvEers to feel good about themselves I guess.
I do wonder why the AD has a closer boss kill area when the one in the EP area is much farther away and the boss hits like a truck (in my case at least).PC
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Now I have to get ganked over and over just to make my daily tickets.
[snip]
[Edit for bashing.]
Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
UPDATE: I have realized since posting this that you can also run the dungeons for the tickets. That makes it more tolerable, though this was still quite a frustrating experience at first. Feel free to complain at me for being vocal about that, but I don't need to be reminded of the other option since I did miss that when making the original base post.
Have you tried running the dungeons...
Not yet since I finally found it slow enough on the gankers to just kill the close boss (as AD).
I only started doing dungeons recently and the wait for those is quite long in most cases. I need to time it, but 1/2 hour to an hour or more much of the time as DPS. I have a character that could heal or tank, but I don't think I am good enough at that to make someone suffer through it.
I am surprised I have not hit one of these when picking a random dungeon in the time the even has been on. I am doing random dungeons now to get the bonuses and to get the skill points. Works well when I have only done a few, may not be a good strategy later.PC
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.
Its less unbalanced and more than you chose a very ineffecient way to farm Tel Var.
Tel Var is split between everyone who's attacking the creature. So if you are in a spontaneous zerg, it makes perfect sense that you got very few Tel Var even though you did significant damage to creatures.
Its part of the risk/reward design of IC. Smaller groups get more Tel Var, but always have less strength in numbers.
Moreover, one of the issues with Tel Var farming during this event is that there are predictably a lot of PVPers around! If you can defend yourself, excellent! If not, then yeah, a number of deaths is to be expected.
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
However, if you really want to farm Tel Var during the event but you arent confident of yiur ability to fight players, here's the best method:
1. Buy Sigils of Imperial Retreat from your home base
2. Go with a small group for some protection and reasonable Tel Var gains. If attacked, stick together and heal proactively.
3. Gather a small amount, up to a couple thousand or so, then use your Sigil and bank your gains.
If you aren't confident of fighting off PVPers, gathering Tel Var during this event is more about slow, but steady gains as you bank often. Later, when the event is over and there are less players around, you can take greaters risks and carry more Tel Var.
I am sure you are right about that. Just ran my "boss kill for tickets" this morning and started off getting ganked by a set of players who thought that was great fun to be had. I waited a while and followed a bunch of others there. I am guessing the gankers either left or hid in a corner with so many people around.
Strong PvPers need to prey on PvEers to feel good about themselves I guess.
I do wonder why the AD has a closer boss kill area when the one in the EP area is much farther away and the boss hits like a truck (in my case at least).
Yeah the sewer bosses aren't entirely even in placement. I've been killing Wadracki for tickets too, but there's been enough people there for this event I haven't noticed. I vaguely remember Gati over on the DC side being a pain to solo, but its been over a year since I was last grinding out Tel Var in the sewers.0 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.
So you find it humorous that we have pointed out you need to pay more attention since you do not need to do PvP for his event? Or is it humorous Zos edited out the part where you bashed them and called for one of them to be fired?
In reality it as sad because your comments were obviously false to anyone who was aware of what the event was.
I admitted that several times and even updated the base post to note that. I am sure you never miss things. It was clearly there, but I still missed it.
I did some Imperial City with a spontaeneous zerg group tonight, but ended up with not much for my efforts (except for one achievement for getting so many Tel Var stones at once). Tel Var is lost much too quickly and not earned hardly at all in such groups no matter how many mobs I get significant damage on. I got more running back to leave than I kept above ground in the city. That is definitely unbalanced.
Though the usual PvP players will be glad some of us were unhappy. That may be their only fun in life I suppose.
Its less unbalanced and more than you chose a very ineffecient way to farm Tel Var.
Tel Var is split between everyone who's attacking the creature. So if you are in a spontaneous zerg, it makes perfect sense that you got very few Tel Var even though you did significant damage to creatures.
Its part of the risk/reward design of IC. Smaller groups get more Tel Var, but always have less strength in numbers.
Moreover, one of the issues with Tel Var farming during this event is that there are predictably a lot of PVPers around! If you can defend yourself, excellent! If not, then yeah, a number of deaths is to be expected.
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
However, if you really want to farm Tel Var during the event but you arent confident of yiur ability to fight players, here's the best method:
1. Buy Sigils of Imperial Retreat from your home base
2. Go with a small group for some protection and reasonable Tel Var gains. If attacked, stick together and heal proactively.
3. Gather a small amount, up to a couple thousand or so, then use your Sigil and bank your gains.
If you aren't confident of fighting off PVPers, gathering Tel Var during this event is more about slow, but steady gains as you bank often. Later, when the event is over and there are less players around, you can take greaters risks and carry more Tel Var.
Strong PvPers need to prey on PvEers to feel good about themselves I guess.
Here's the problem. It's not about feeling good or bad about yourself. It's a playstyle. A playstyle that's been created and endorsed by ZOS in this game. In fact, Rogue ganking has been a thing since the fantasy genre was created. If anyone is feeling anything about themselves.... It's you. You feel bad about being killed. Don't project your feelings onto someone else.
Besides, how would they know that you are a PvEer? Does your character name give it away?
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »
If you aren't a skilled PVPer, the most effective way to gather Tel Var is to wait dor the event to be over, come back when the population drops, and farm bosses solo or duo.
He dont need to be skilled PvPer.
Game is already (with no offense) noob friendly.
I dont get it guys. I never seen a post where pvp players complain that they need to trait infused/divine when grind pve events.
Trials and arena for sets, or just a vet instances.
All i see is PvErs complain that they get smashed in PVP zone.
Even in cyrodil zerg raids, there are few dedicated healers. Mos of the PvPers prefer to dps.So this is PvP weak side- lack of healers. Self heal is good when you wreck non pvp geared newbies, but wont keep you alive vs party of 10.
So why instead of complaining in forums how horid Imp city is, get a grp of 5-10 ppl, rank it with 2 tanks, 2-3 dedicated healers and rest dps. Equip some impen traited gear, put some points in "resistant" and go wreck the imp city?
Is that what you do in PvE right ? Make raids ?So i cant see the problem here.
If you prefer to play solo- its your choise. You have no right to complain, or blame.
That's an excellent strategy for players during this event!
Still, if you want most effective Tel Var farming in terms of time/tel var gain, you want to be able to go solo or in a very small group, and tackle the District bosses in a rotation. Best bet for that is after the event is over, when there's much less risk from fighting players, and much less players around killing bosses period.0 -
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✭A couple years ago I did the IC Event with another PvPer, myself (mainly a PvPer) and a group of PvErs who have never fought before.
Me and this guy, lead this group of 10 deep into the sewers of IC. We all fought off enemy gankers and other enemy groups. We even got a chance to fight Molag Bal and go into an enemy alliances sewers tunnel.
3 hours later when the group disbanded, several of the PvErs commented on how well run the group was, and even though they were not use to dying said they had an amazing time and learned a lot about the PvP community.
This could be you OP, you could have been one of these chill PvErs who we would have welcomed with open arms, trained you how to wield your weapon against another player. But instead you spit on us and kick us in the ribs before you even tried the event.2 -
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✭✭✭I've never felt "forced" to do anything. I never do any of the PvE events because I find them boring. Hoever, I do like the double xp.
Maybe next PvE Event I should make a thread called, "Oh Great... another event forcing me to PvE!".
I'm sure I know what the responses would be like.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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Ingenon✭✭✭✭✭
✭vamp_emily wrote: »I've never felt "forced" to do anything. I never do any of the PvE events because I find them boring. Hoever, I do like the double xp.
Maybe next PvE Event I should make a thread called, "Oh Great... another event forcing me to PvE!". I'm sure I know what the responses would be like.
You should make that thread for a future PvE event if you don't like it.
There are several events that I like better than others. This one is not one of my favorites.1 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »A couple years ago I did the IC Event with another PvPer, myself (mainly a PvPer) and a group of PvErs who have never fought before.
Me and this guy, lead this group of 10 deep into the sewers of IC. We all fought off enemy gankers and other enemy groups. We even got a chance to fight Molag Bal and go into an enemy alliances sewers tunnel.
3 hours later when the group disbanded, several of the PvErs commented on how well run the group was, and even though they were not use to dying said they had an amazing time and learned a lot about the PvP community.
This could be you OP, you could have been one of these chill PvErs who we would have welcomed with open arms, trained you how to wield your weapon against another player. But instead you spit on us and kick us in the ribs before you even tried the event.
Well said. I experienced a similar situation a few years ago. I had such a great time learning, that I started to PvP more often. Now I find myself helping others who need it.1 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Now I have to get ganked over and over just to make my daily tickets.
[snip]
[Edit for bashing.]
Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
UPDATE: I have realized since posting this that you can also run the dungeons for the tickets. That makes it more tolerable, though this was still quite a frustrating experience at first. Feel free to complain at me for being vocal about that, but I don't need to be reminded of the other option since I did miss that when making the original base post.
Have you tried running the dungeons...
Not yet since I finally found it slow enough on the gankers to just kill the close boss (as AD).
I only started doing dungeons recently and the wait for those is quite long in most cases. I need to time it, but 1/2 hour to an hour or more much of the time as DPS. I have a character that could heal or tank, but I don't think I am good enough at that to make someone suffer through it.
I am surprised I have not hit one of these when picking a random dungeon in the time the even has been on. I am doing random dungeons now to get the bonuses and to get the skill points. Works well when I have only done a few, may not be a good strategy later.
I was being satirical really, bad monday morning joke of sorts.0 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Who said the Imperial Sewers dungeon was easy? Getting ganked is easier than that. I made it through just now, but was a drag on the other 3 players. And this was only normal mode.
Went from full to 0 health several times. A few big hits, but lots of 5K ones did me in.
This is definitely worse than the other leveling dungeons.
An alternative, but not a trivial one by any means. Pet sorcs can put out reasonable damage, but health is not one of the strong merits.PC
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Now I have to get ganked over and over just to make my daily tickets.
[snip]
[Edit for bashing.]
Not sure what I was bashing, but fine.
UPDATE: I have realized since posting this that you can also run the dungeons for the tickets. That makes it more tolerable, though this was still quite a frustrating experience at first. Feel free to complain at me for being vocal about that, but I don't need to be reminded of the other option since I did miss that when making the original base post.
Have you tried running the dungeons...
Not yet since I finally found it slow enough on the gankers to just kill the close boss (as AD).
I only started doing dungeons recently and the wait for those is quite long in most cases. I need to time it, but 1/2 hour to an hour or more much of the time as DPS. I have a character that could heal or tank, but I don't think I am good enough at that to make someone suffer through it.
I am surprised I have not hit one of these when picking a random dungeon in the time the even has been on. I am doing random dungeons now to get the bonuses and to get the skill points. Works well when I have only done a few, may not be a good strategy later.
I was being satirical really, bad monday morning joke of sorts.
I hit one just afterward. One of the hardest dungeons I have faced. I remember it was just as bad when I had hit it before. Lots of hard hitting mobs that can nuke me fast. Clearly some do fine in it as our tank and healer managed to live through all the boss fights, though one place required about 4 self-rezzes as so many trash mobs attacked at once we couldn't even mow them all down.
Definitely not one of my favorite dungeons.PC
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Dzadzey✭✭✭The upshot is, these events are about forcing players into PvP or Group PvE if they'd rather do neither. Content needs to be properly scaled to individual v. group activity. There shouldn't be any PvE content that you can't do solo.0
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