Another Idiotic Event - Forcing PvP is Horrid!

Ufretin

Please pardon my dumb question:

If you hate gankers, griefers, hate whisperers and immature trolls who "drink ur tears lmao xD" why don't you just kill them?

It does take some time and practice but it's definitely more efficient than complaining on the forums...

SpacemanSpiff1

Try reading the announcement. You don't have to PvP to get tickets.

If you're going to enter a PvP zone, prepare for it.

Michae

I'm fine with the event for the most part. It's frustrating af but doable. But maybe it's because I already have some casual experience with IC. Still, let me reply to all those arguing that most events force PvE so why not have one that forces PvP. The key difference is difficulty. You need no preparation to get tickets in most events and the quests are relatively quick and soloable. Here you have to either go into a warzone and expect to get steamrolled by zergs or ganked at least few times before you get to a boss, then wait for it to spawn and kill it before you inevitably get ganked again. PvP requires specific gear and a certain skillset that's not an easy thing when you're just getting into it. So please be more considerate of the players who are not as hardcore as you PvPers.

Partomax

It's really not difficult and you can do it every day without ever meeting a enemy player

MartiniDaniels

IC is crazy show, but at least it is not boring. Much better then 2 events of heists&sacraments in half-year

TheTwistedRune

Hmmm. I don’t PvP, I solo PvE pretty much exclusively, but I have to agree with PvP players here. They get a very small slice of the game as a whole, and ZOS has to have some way to encourage new players to try PvP who normally would not, hence the event rewards.

I have to say also, is getting ganked really so bad if it lets you get what you need in the end? Just let the epeen players get their kicks while you get what you need, then move on to playing parts of the game you do enjoy.

Agenericname

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I don’t PvP, I solo PvE pretty much exclusively, but I have to agree with PvP players here. They get a very small slice of the game as a whole, and ZOS has to have some way to encourage new players to try PvP who normally would not, hence the event rewards.

I have to say also, is getting ganked really so bad if it lets you get what you need in the end? Just let the epeen players get their kicks while you get what you need, then move on to playing parts of the game you do enjoy.

Or run the dungeons instead.

I can't believe this thread is open.

Eirinin

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I don’t PvP, I solo PvE pretty much exclusively, but I have to agree with PvP players here. They get a very small slice of the game as a whole, and ZOS has to have some way to encourage new players to try PvP who normally would not, hence the event rewards.

I have to say also, is getting ganked really so bad if it lets you get what you need in the end? Just let the epeen players get their kicks while you get what you need, then move on to playing parts of the game you do enjoy.

I'm not outright disagreeing, but I feel like I'm having a different experience in some ways than you are. This event comes across a bit like the folks at ZOS, sighing over continued pvp complaints of "dying population numbers", thought, hey let's toss a bunch of pve players in a war zone to satisfy the pvp slaughter urges, and we can offer the pvers a canopy bed and a mount to be pwned for a week or two. Does that make any sense? I'm not always the best at explaining myself.

Aurielle

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

Or just wait until the next pve event? Chill

I need the tickets this time or the berries will be gone. Sure I could pay real money for them.

And this is primarily not a PvP game (at least not at the base). You can't PvP until level 10 even. You can PvE from the start.

Y’all got any more of them event tickets?

No one is forcing you to do anything. I didn’t cry on the forums when the DB/TG event happened; I just sucked it up and didn’t do content I hate because I’m not addicted to this inane berry grind.

The_Lex

IC event and berry picking aside, I guess I don't understand why the PvE-only crowd is so scared of dying. It's like a phobia. It's through the deaths that you learn to get better. Look at your death recap... See any patterns? Adapt to what's killing you the most. Everyone new to PvP dies....a lot. But that's how you get better.

They're not afraid of dying to a scripted boss fight, but need therapy for dying to a player.

Reverb

As noted you don’t have to PVP to get tickets. WGT and ICP are both 100% pve. A tiny bit of research could have eliminated your entire rant.

jazsper77

Yup- the power of reading the event is OP. My lord do people really not read anything anymore. They had a whole thread yesterday needing everything like CONFIRMED by Gina or Jessica. I could never imagine getting through life with my handheld.

jazsper77

OP- last nite I had a 6 minute Que and took us 11 minutes to clear normal ICP. 17 mins not bad if you don’t want to PvP. Us you can grab scathing,leeching and sheer venom while your at it.

Agalloch

This event is amazing. IC is amazing. If you dont like it play the 2 dungeons of the DLC

luen79rwb17_ESO

I only spent 15 min in IC last night cause I was lucky to get a roaming boss spawn right as I entered a district. But as far as I could tell this event is the 5year event Cyrodiil week all over again.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

You can run White Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison dungeons for the tickets. No PVP there.

AlnilamE

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

So I missed the dungeon part. Though at least staying queued forever is better than getting ganked when walking out the starting door by a bunch of camping people from another alliance.

It is still idiotic.

Form a group in zone or guild and port directly to the dungeon. No need to wait.

I fake-tanked it on my stamden yesterday with 3 guildies and we had a great time (yay 17k health tank with only a magicka taunt!)

redlink1979

Forcing PvP? Lol
Are you aware that you can run 2 PvE dungeons to get the tickets?!

Rave the Histborn

Michae wrote: »

I'm fine with the event for the most part. It's frustrating af but doable. But maybe it's because I already have some casual experience with IC. Still, let me reply to all those arguing that most events force PvE so why not have one that forces PvP. The key difference is difficulty. You need no preparation to get tickets in most events and the quests are relatively quick and soloable. Here you have to either go into a warzone and expect to get steamrolled by zergs or ganked at least few times before you get to a boss, then wait for it to spawn and kill it before you inevitably get ganked again. PvP requires specific gear and a certain skillset that's not an easy thing when you're just getting into it. So please be more considerate of the players who are not as hardcore as you PvPers.

No, I'm not going to be nice to people that lack basic literacy skills. If you want tickets you can do it in PVE without fighting a single player in PVP, just like the event says. If you choose to head into IC you should be aware of what you are getting in to and if you're even a mediocre player shouldn't have any problem with basic adaptation to PVP. You aren't going to be a killing machine but with some invis pots, impenetrable armor, and basic awareness anyone can head into IC and have a fun time.

Malamar1229

Just like undaunted event forcing pvpers to pve to get tickets....

kathandira

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Now I have to get ganked over and over just to make my daily tickets.

[snip]

[Edit for bashing.]

Run the Normal Imperial City Prison Dungeon. You get 2 tickets for the last boss.

FlopsyPrince

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most resetarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

And I am a bit more vocal than some, so what? Are you saying I am the only one in the populations who faced this frustration? That is quite ignorant if you really think that. Most just don't say anything and some of those will just quit.

So ignore the post if it is that errant, yet many cannot even do that. I replied a bit at the start, but intentionally ignored it for a while, yet you couldn't stop. Shows something about everyone else too!

Running a tutorial in Cyrodil doesn't help people figure any of this out, which is a major flaw in many games pushing PvP into PvE aspects, or even PvP in general. I am unlikely to ever get good enough to really beat others, but some help and pairing with others of similar skill would be much more effective than the top PvPers whining in their own way.

Once the post is out, not much to do about it. I could edit the OP, but those were my words and thoughts at the time. They were a bit strong due to the experience, but that is life. I am sure no one else here complains about things, ever. (Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

phileunderx2

Run the dungeons and get tickets. No ganking. Still have to deal with pugs if guildless or friendless.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most resetarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

And I am a bit more vocal than some, so what? Are you saying I am the only one in the populations who faced this frustration? That is quite ignorant if you really think that. Most just don't say anything and some of those will just quit.

So ignore the post if it is that errant, yet many cannot even do that. I replied a bit at the start, but intentionally ignored it for a while, yet you couldn't stop. Shows something about everyone else too!

Running a tutorial in Cyrodil doesn't help people figure any of this out, which is a major flaw in many games pushing PvP into PvE aspects, or even PvP in general. I am unlikely to ever get good enough to really beat others, but some help and pairing with others of similar skill would be much more effective than the top PvPers whining in their own way.

Once the post is out, not much to do about it. I could edit the OP, but those were my words and thoughts at the time. They were a bit strong due to the experience, but that is life. I am sure no one else here complains about things, ever. (Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

I’d honestly try PvP again but when I see what most of the PvPers post here, it reminds me why I dislike it- “war zone” or not.

FlopsyPrince

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most resetarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

And I am a bit more vocal than some, so what? Are you saying I am the only one in the populations who faced this frustration? That is quite ignorant if you really think that. Most just don't say anything and some of those will just quit.

So ignore the post if it is that errant, yet many cannot even do that. I replied a bit at the start, but intentionally ignored it for a while, yet you couldn't stop. Shows something about everyone else too!

Running a tutorial in Cyrodil doesn't help people figure any of this out, which is a major flaw in many games pushing PvP into PvE aspects, or even PvP in general. I am unlikely to ever get good enough to really beat others, but some help and pairing with others of similar skill would be much more effective than the top PvPers whining in their own way.

Once the post is out, not much to do about it. I could edit the OP, but those were my words and thoughts at the time. They were a bit strong due to the experience, but that is life. I am sure no one else here complains about things, ever. (Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

I’d honestly try PvP again but when I see what most of the PvPers post here, it reminds me why I dislike it- “war zone” or not.

And they can't see that part at all!

Grimm13

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most restarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

(Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

You can edit in a bold note on the post to context on what you posted and that you now know a work around).

You can buy a sigil of return in the IC base area that works as a teleport to back to base. Good chance you have enough to purchase it from the monthly rewards if you been playing a bit.

Not a fan of PvP myself. I developed a Tank and a Healer for times when I need a dungeon for tickets.

(Edit: In each base is a room with ladders, one to each zone in the city. You can look at the map to see which zones are under your faction control then try one of those. You are placed on a safe platform that you can stealth around a little to get a better view if it's safer for you. If not go back down the ladder and try another. If you jump off the raised platform area then you can not get back up.)

VaranisArano

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most resetarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

And I am a bit more vocal than some, so what? Are you saying I am the only one in the populations who faced this frustration? That is quite ignorant if you really think that. Most just don't say anything and some of those will just quit.

So ignore the post if it is that errant, yet many cannot even do that. I replied a bit at the start, but intentionally ignored it for a while, yet you couldn't stop. Shows something about everyone else too!

Running a tutorial in Cyrodil doesn't help people figure any of this out, which is a major flaw in many games pushing PvP into PvE aspects, or even PvP in general. I am unlikely to ever get good enough to really beat others, but some help and pairing with others of similar skill would be much more effective than the top PvPers whining in their own way.

Once the post is out, not much to do about it. I could edit the OP, but those were my words and thoughts at the time. They were a bit strong due to the experience, but that is life. I am sure no one else here complains about things, ever. (Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

By the time I read your OP, it was in the current one sentence form, which is, as you noted, incorrect.

Even if you were correct, your complaint is indicative of a failure to understand and accept two points.

Point 1: ZOS doesnt care if you like the content. They want to get most players to at least try different types of content, even if they decide they don't like it. They use the "fear of missing out" to drive players to all sorts of content, especially in events. If you can't handle your own "fear of missing out," you will inevitably feel "forced" to do content you don't like. This is true of all players. (Incidently, this is the source of the "but there's all those PVE-only events" rebuttals. Tough luck, PVPers, ZOS wants you to play the whole game too.)

Point 2: PvP enabled zones are designed to generate conflict between players and entail a loss of progress when you die. PVP zones without fighting are failures from the PVP perspective - and IC is a PvPvE zone. Imperial City's main mechanic for that is Tel Var - the main incentive for foghting other players and flipping flags. Expecting to not face enemy players in combat during the busiest time of the year is pure foolishness. Expect PVP to work as intended - and yes, its intended that you lose progress if you keep getting killed over and over again. Experienced PVPers are the ones who persevered through their own period of dying over and over again...and now we die less. Death is intended in PVP. Accept that, or prepare to be very frustrated to no avail.


In the event that you are forced to PVP in order to get rewards you want, such as with the (cancelled) Midyear Mayhem event, which celebrates ALL forms of PVP, please take the above points into consideration.

If you feel "forced," remember that its ZOS leveraging your fear of missing out to get you to do content you know you don't like. Its up to you if you want to let their marketing department play you like a violin.

If you get frustrated with conflict, dying, and losing progress in PVP, keep in mind that's exactly what PVP enabled zones are designed to do. If you don't like that at all, that's fine, as everyone has their own preferences. But then I am going to question why you queued for a PVP zone, why you are getting frustrated when you know that's how PVP works, and wonder exactly what you expected to happen.

FlopsyPrince

VaranisArano wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The response to my OP is almost as humorous as anything else.

It was written after I just wasted an hour trying to find ways around a group camping outside the alliance entrance to the sewers. Poked my head up above into the city once later only to get immediately ganked.

Most resetarts are at the very start (though I am sure I am missing some key point) making it a required run back to where I was if I did make it farther.

So yeah, I was frustrated. And I had not seen the part where you could run the dungeons for the tickets. I am sure none of you have ever missed a key point in one of their announcements either. I am so glad for so many of you here that are so perfect you just can't stand it.

And I am a bit more vocal than some, so what? Are you saying I am the only one in the populations who faced this frustration? That is quite ignorant if you really think that. Most just don't say anything and some of those will just quit.

So ignore the post if it is that errant, yet many cannot even do that. I replied a bit at the start, but intentionally ignored it for a while, yet you couldn't stop. Shows something about everyone else too!

Running a tutorial in Cyrodil doesn't help people figure any of this out, which is a major flaw in many games pushing PvP into PvE aspects, or even PvP in general. I am unlikely to ever get good enough to really beat others, but some help and pairing with others of similar skill would be much more effective than the top PvPers whining in their own way.

Once the post is out, not much to do about it. I could edit the OP, but those were my words and thoughts at the time. They were a bit strong due to the experience, but that is life. I am sure no one else here complains about things, ever. (Complaining about complainers is still complaining, though I am convinced some participate here just to do that.)

By the time I read your OP, it was in the current one sentence form, which is, as you noted, incorrect.

Even if you were correct, your complaint is indicative of a failure to understand and accept two points.

Point 1: ZOS doesnt care if you like the content. They want to get most players to at least try different types of content, even if they decide they don't like it. They use the "fear of missing out" to drive players to all sorts of content, especially in events. If you can't handle your own "fear of missing out," you will inevitably feel "forced" to do content you don't like. This is true of all players. (Incidently, this is the source of the "but there's all those PVE-only events" rebuttals. Tough luck, PVPers, ZOS wants you to play the whole game too.)

Point 2: PvP enabled zones are designed to generate conflict between players and entail a loss of progress when you die. PVP zones without fighting are failures from the PVP perspective - and IC is a PvPvE zone. Imperial City's main mechanic for that is Tel Var - the main incentive for foghting other players and flipping flags. Expecting to not face enemy players in combat during the busiest time of the year is pure foolishness. Expect PVP to work as intended - and yes, its intended that you lose progress if you keep getting killed over and over again. Experienced PVPers are the ones who persevered through their own period of dying over and over again...and now we die less. Death is intended in PVP. Accept that, or prepare to be very frustrated to no avail.


In the event that you are forced to PVP in order to get rewards you want, such as with the (cancelled) Midyear Mayhem event, which celebrates ALL forms of PVP, please take the above points into consideration.

If you feel "forced," remember that its ZOS leveraging your fear of missing out to get you to do content you know you don't like. Its up to you if you want to let their marketing department play you like a violin.

If you get frustrated with conflict, dying, and losing progress in PVP, keep in mind that's exactly what PVP enabled zones are designed to do. If you don't like that at all, that's fine, as everyone has their own preferences. But then I am going to question why you queued for a PVP zone, why you are getting frustrated when you know that's how PVP works, and wonder exactly what you expected to happen.

ZoS should care, since they should want to keep me as a paying customer. I didn't have to do the PvP in the spring event to get the tickets. (I of course missed that I don't have to do it here either, but I didn't realize that oversight at first.)

Some content requirement is reasonable, but this seemed (incorrectly as it turned out) to be like requiring a full Maelstrom run to get the tickets. (I suck at that too.)

I understand PvP zones are focused on PvP. They should be of course. Having an overarching event (mount tickets) tied to it is the problem I was addressing, not the fact PvP favors those who are or can get good at it.

Austinseph1

Or just do the other option, play the dungeons from the dlc they just handed over on a golden platter.. normal mode gets steam rolled in like 10 mins in every pug group I’ve done so far. Literally not a single person forcing you to touch PvP.

O_LYKOS

you're not forced to take part...