Tired of "fake tanks" in random queues

Runkorko · September 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

You mean YOUR que time. Because 2 dd que is like 2-5m and healer one is under 1.
Selfish and silly.

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

Fair point, and no, I don’t care if there’s a fake tank. I believe in this thread however its the principle not the outcome

Protossyder · September 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

You mean YOUR que time. Because 2 dd que is like 2-5m and healer one is under 1.
Selfish and silly.

Sergykid · September 2019

i join as fake tank and fake healer daily, and that is because the dps overall is low, i made a topic about this.

the thing is i have healing abilities, i always taunt and hold boss in place. So i do my job but i am just a hybrid 75% dps and 25% the support role.

for non-dlc dungeons i never had problems

Runkorko · September 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

You mean YOUR que time. Because 2 dd que is like 2-5m and healer one is under 1.
Selfish and silly.

Do you even get the big picture ? Nope, you dont.
As 90% of the ppl comenting here.
I dont care are you fake tank or not. You can be DD and ques as a tank, If we get in dlc, we are feked (you know it) but i dont mind that too.
Everyone have aces to taunt. Ransack, Inner Fire, frost destro staff passive, you name it. So missing one of those on your bar when you que as fake tank is not a valid excuse. Be sure if you ques as tank you have altleast one of this skills. No one force you to stack HP or to wear 1h/shield. But this is a team play. Show some respect to other 3 players and slot 1 taunt skill.
And once inside, dont rush like idiot to the last boss. We know is the only reason you here, but sticking with the grp and politely waiting other players to finish their quest wont take more than 5 min extra from your precious time. There is no reason to use all your sped buffs your have and kill last boss before ppl progress with the quests.

and next time save me your bs graphics m8. all other games menage to deal with que with no rolle fake`ing. eso is not diferent.
want it to be fast/ keep one crafted tank set in your inv, and get those insta ques.

Protossyder · September 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

You mean YOUR que time. Because 2 dd que is like 2-5m and healer one is under 1.
Selfish and silly.

Do you even get the big picture ? Nope, you dont.
As 90% of the ppl comenting here.
I dont care are you fake tank or not. You can be DD and ques as a tank, If we get in dlc, we are feked (you know it) but i dont mind that too.
Everyone have aces to taunt. Ransack, Inner Fire, frost destro staff passive, you name it. So missing one of those on your bar when you que as fake tank is not a valid excuse. Be sure if you ques as tank you have altleast one of this skills. No one force you to stack HP or to wear 1h/shield. But this is a team play. Show some respect to other 3 players and slot 1 taunt skill.
And once inside, dont rush like idiot to the last boss. We know is the only reason you here, but sticking with the grp and politely waiting other players to finish their quest wont take more than 5 min extra from your precious time. There is no reason to use all your sped buffs your have and kill last boss before ppl progress with the quests.

and next time save me your bs graphics m8. all other games menage to deal with que with no rolle fake`ing. eso is not diferent.
want it to be fast/ keep one crafted tank set in your inv, and get those insta ques.

For what? I will wait for you if you need to do the quest, but I will definitely not intentionally slow down the run by wearing a "tank set" or slotting useless (for this purpose) skills if it's 100% not needed, you mudcrab.
Should I draw you an additional paint png, so you can understand my "bs graphic"?

Runkorko · September 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

@Frostystuff no, you can definitely see the difference between a fake tank and a new/inexperienced tank. The fake tank runs around. The new tank knows where to be, but sometimes panics when they get hit hard. The fake tank yells at the DPS and healers when he dies. The new tank apologizes when you die. The fake tank talks about how he solo'd the current dungeon you are in. The new tank tells you this is his first time in the dungeon.

Last, the fake tank typically has a dumptruck of a DPS partner with him that he is "carrying" through the dungeon so its impossible to kick either of them.

Sorry, but this is bullsht.

Most new tanks (or new players) often have no idea where to stand and also lose aggro frequently. They don't "panic", when dropping low, they simply don't realize it happening and can't react properly..

A good fake tank has following attributes:
- He does more than enough dps himself (or together with his mates)
- He knows which dungeons can be easily fake tanked
- He knows that he himself is to blame if he dies
- He does not make a mountain out of a molehill if something goes wrong (unlike all the crybabies I see here), because the
dungeon is done 3 times faster anyways and there are other things to worry about than 5 minutes in a cave

Is this really such a big deal in ESO? Just asked to get kicked if you want to run with a real tank and queue again...

You missed the point. Its about cutting in line by selecting Tank and not your actual role.

The dungeon will be done before you have the time to call me out. Also, by "cutting in line" I enormously reduced the queue time for 2 dds and a healer.
Do you want me to draw it down for you?

You mean YOUR que time. Because 2 dd que is like 2-5m and healer one is under 1.
Selfish and silly.

Do you even get the big picture ? Nope, you dont.
As 90% of the ppl comenting here.
I dont care are you fake tank or not. You can be DD and ques as a tank, If we get in dlc, we are feked (you know it) but i dont mind that too.
Everyone have aces to taunt. Ransack, Inner Fire, frost destro staff passive, you name it. So missing one of those on your bar when you que as fake tank is not a valid excuse. Be sure if you ques as tank you have altleast one of this skills. No one force you to stack HP or to wear 1h/shield. But this is a team play. Show some respect to other 3 players and slot 1 taunt skill.
And once inside, dont rush like idiot to the last boss. We know is the only reason you here, but sticking with the grp and politely waiting other players to finish their quest wont take more than 5 min extra from your precious time. There is no reason to use all your sped buffs your have and kill last boss before ppl progress with the quests.

and next time save me your bs graphics m8. all other games menage to deal with que with no rolle fake`ing. eso is not diferent.
want it to be fast/ keep one crafted tank set in your inv, and get those insta ques.

For what? I will wait for you if you need to do the quest, but I will definitely not intentionally slow down the run by wearing a "tank set" or slotting useless (for this purpose) skills if it's 100% not needed, you mudcrab.
Should I draw you an additional paint png, so you can understand my "bs graphic"?

Having tank set slow donw the grp ? Do you have eso+ or atleast some dlc ? What if you got inside one of thos wit rest of the grp 45ish lvl ? What if healer is fake one too ? I see it many times.1-2-3-4 wipes. PRO fake tank - "bye scrubs", healer leave after him /because his que is short/ and rest 2 dps are deeply drilled if you know what i mean ..
And having one taunt on your bar / when you feking ques as a tank/ is useless?
For who?
How removing one dps skill from you bar and puting 1 taunt to keep boss away from low lvl will slow you?
Since when 3-4k dps less is taht importand?
You dont need to draw me "png" m8. All you need is to use your brain. This isnt Skyrim. Ppl here play with other ppl. Not with companions...
Again, dont be selfish ...
And again, you are replacable. Que as tank, dont tank at all, kick, continue.

Protossyder · September 2019

@runkorkoeb17_ESO

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Having tank set slow donw the grp ?

Yes, the lower the base dps of the DDs, the less effective any supporting tank set. I add atleast 45k single target dps to the group.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Do you have eso+ or atleast some dlc ?

Yes, all of them.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

What if you got inside one of thos wit rest of the grp 45ish lvl ?

No problem. A few weeks back I got into nFH for a random normal as fake tank and since i couldn't recall how hard the bosses/minos hit (on normal) I offered them to kick me and find a real tank. We ended up finishing the dungeon in 7 mins.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

What if healer is fake one too ?

Good.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I see it many times.1-2-3-4 wipes. PRO fake tank - "bye scrubs", healer leave after him /because his que is short/ and rest 2 dps are deeply drilled if you know what i mean ..

You saw it many times? Which one of them is you? Maybe you should start playing this game..

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And having one taunt on your bar / when you feking ques as a tank/ is useless

Well, I won't use it. The boss drops dead before he decides which player to attack.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

For who?

eh?

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

How removing one dps skill from you bar and puting 1 taunt to keep boss away from low lvl will slow you?

It probably won't, but it will not speed things up either.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Since when 3-4k dps less is taht importand?

dps is everything.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

You dont need to draw me "png" m8. All you need is to use your brain. This isnt Skyrim. Ppl here play with other ppl. Not with companions...

I can't enjoy single player games. Multiplayer is a must.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Again, dont be selfish ...

I am not, take a look at my "bs graphic".

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And again, you are replacable. Que as tank, dont tank at all, kick, continue.

Of course I am replaceable, but obviously not by you.

At one point you will realize that fake roles are really not a big deal. For normal dungeons a 100% not, vet can be a different story.

Runkorko · September 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

@runkorkoeb17_ESO

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Having tank set slow donw the grp ?

Yes, the lower the base dps of the DDs, the less effective any supporting tank set. I add atleast 45k single target dps to the group.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Do you have eso+ or atleast some dlc ?

Yes, all of them.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

What if you got inside one of thos wit rest of the grp 45ish lvl ?

No problem. A few weeks back I got into nFH for a random normal as fake tank and since i couldn't recall how hard the bosses/minos hit (on normal) I offered them to kick me and find a real tank. We ended up finishing the dungeon in 7 mins.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

What if healer is fake one too ?

Good.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I see it many times.1-2-3-4 wipes. PRO fake tank - "bye scrubs", healer leave after him /because his que is short/ and rest 2 dps are deeply drilled if you know what i mean ..

You saw it many times? Which one of them is you? Maybe you should start playing this game..

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And having one taunt on your bar / when you feking ques as a tank/ is useless

Well, I won't use it. The boss drops dead before he decides which player to attack.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

For who?

eh?

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

How removing one dps skill from you bar and puting 1 taunt to keep boss away from low lvl will slow you?

It probably won't, but it will not speed things up either.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Since when 3-4k dps less is taht importand?

dps is everything.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

You dont need to draw me "png" m8. All you need is to use your brain. This isnt Skyrim. Ppl here play with other ppl. Not with companions...

I can't enjoy single player games. Multiplayer is a must.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Again, dont be selfish ...

I am not, take a look at my "bs graphic".

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And again, you are replacable. Que as tank, dont tank at all, kick, continue.

Of course I am replaceable, but obviously not by you.

At one point you will realize that fake roles are really not a big deal. For normal dungeons a 100% not, vet can be a different story.

You not just sound stupid. You are.
If it hurts your feelings, know i dont care. Why should care about someone who dont care others.
Hey you can always complain to ZoS tho ...
Keep fake tanking and be hapy.
(and fake)

Agenericname · September 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

If we're only talking about normal, I partly agree.

Yep, I don't think it's really fair from players to fake tank vet dungeons. That being said, I never PUG for vet, which prevents me from both having people complaining about me as a DD or complaining myself about others for whatever reasons. Win/Win.

Downside is, I have to wait for my friends to be available in order to run vet dungeons, which is in turn not as often as I'd like it to be, but then again, at some stage you have to accept what it takes and that you (general you, not you-you) can't always have what you want, without blaming the rest of the world for it.

On a side note, I have a friend who often PUGs vet dungeons for the fun of it - he's good. Actually he seldom complains about bad players or fake roles in vet PUGs. Obviously most players are respectful and don't fake roles in vet PUGs, the problem seems to be acute in normal queues only. That is, where it's not really a problem.

It does seem to be more of an issue in normal dungeons. I've seen a small handful PUGing vet DLCs, they usually leave immediately. I've never seen one kicked.

I've seen a few in vet dungeons, but it has been a little more rare than the forums makes it out to be.

I'd wager that your friend is a DD? And probably has decent DPS? When that's the case your tolerance levels are higher.

To the poster that suggested restricting to locked roles at creation; that would likely reduce the number of tanks in queue. I can account for one. I can, do, and have tanked as a properly geared tank, moderately difficult content up to the vet DLCs. I also DPS and in some cases heal the same content on the same characters. I have zero interest in having my characters pigeon holed because DDs are complaining about fake tanks.

I have no doubt that people view this as an issue and I sympathize, but restricting real tanks is not the solution.

idk · September 2019

CoronHR wrote: »

vote to kick fake tanks. i hate kicking people---i'll give a low dd a chance or carry, but kick a fake tank

Exactly. A player that is not very good or inexperienced is just fine. Everyone needs to learn and if you want travel with solid players then form your own group.

However, a player that is intentionally being a fraud should be kicked. Those whining about fake tanks but are not voting to kick them are just as much a part of a fraud as the fake tank themselves.

zvavi · September 2019

Stebarnz wrote: »

Random normal - doesn't need tank.
Random normal dlc - sometimes needs tank.
Random vet - sometimes needs tank.
Random vet dlc - always needs tank.

That is all.

Random suicidal 4 dd squads in vDLC are sometimes the most fun way to do that content, we spent 3 hours in vDoM which is more than 5 times what is needed, but we had fun.

Also guys, i will say my opinion on this matter once again, kick fake tanks. At last boss. This is what they deserve. Unless they hold agro.

FrancisCrawford · September 2019

I did my first ICP run of the event with a group that had a rather fakish tank. S/he spent long times afk, and didn't do much to hold taunt even when around, blaming lag, all on a 2xx CP dual wielding templar. (I did get a Radiate synergy once, so it wasn't complete fakery.) Bosses got their exercise striding back and forth across their rooms. Getting a ground-based ultimate to hit them was difficult.

I initiated a vote to kick once after a particularly long afk period, but it failed and the tank came running back into action immediately thereafter. (I hope and trust this was just coincidental.)

Judging by the difficulty we had figuring out how to get through a door at one point, I don't think anybody on the team knew the dungeon well.

The whole experience was ... challenging. But it was also polite. And given the relative ignorance of the dungeon with which I was playing, I'm not totally unhappy at the thought that the other party members weren't really much better.

Neoauspex · September 2019

Solution to this problem is to make a tank and queue

Runkorko · September 2019

Neoauspex wrote: »

Solution to this problem is to make a tank and queue

dont say ?
it will solve the problem with fake roles ? so you quet tank and you 100% get legit heal?

Runkorko · September 2019

So first of all this screenshot is not to name/shame/ blame ppl
I wont cover names because you will get nothing of the dialog.

https://imgur.com/ukwLLwr

So we go in dungeon. Many ppl do Imp City dungeons for the event. And everyone is rushy.
We was on normal. So we go in. Me dps guildie and 2 randoms.
Tank rush at the 1st grp- one shoted. I know what happend but politely asked him/ Tank ?:D
My usual question is "wtf" sorry.
So he do answer " we are 600 cp, do we RLY need a tank"
Then say he gona change bars/skills/whatever.
He died 3-4 more times. Then we make it to the first boss/ here you can see the outcome:

https://imgur.com/MiROZvY

We ress the guy for like 4 times, only to get one hit killed a second after/ in his defense he do put a taunt on his bar but wasnt able to survive boss dmg. I do even spam Living Trellis on him but cant keep him alive.
Healer / which wasnt healer at all/ lef mid fight.
Tank was kicked right after.
After few mins we got a heal and a tank
healer come 1st :read chat.

https://imgur.com/kSaJbSr

"tank" come few mins later.
NB with dw, and more squishier than previous "tank" we had.
We cary his dead body to the end of the dungeon.
We menage to do it for like 1h // On normal/

And again. I dont try to name/shame any of this guys.
Just to show how the "lets que as fake tank and do this sh.t faster" can turn to " One hour later.... "

The sad thing is, now when Imp City is free, we will see such hapenings more oftern than we want to ...

Neoauspex · September 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neoauspex wrote: »

Solution to this problem is to make a tank and queue

dont say ?
it will solve the problem with fake roles ? so you quet tank and you 100% get legit heal?

No, this is only a solution to the fake tank problem. You will still get fake healers and, even worse fake DPS (DPS that sucks).

Runkorko · September 2019

Neoauspex wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neoauspex wrote: »

Solution to this problem is to make a tank and queue

dont say ?
it will solve the problem with fake roles ? so you quet tank and you 100% get legit heal?

No, this is only a solution to the fake tank problem. You will still get fake healers and, even worse fake DPS (DPS that sucks).

There is fake role problems in general not just tank.
So yes, partly a solution:)
And btw, i dont mind low dps. As long as they try even 5k is fine / its normal anyway.

Kuramas9tails · September 2019

If anyone ends up in a random queue with my boyfriend and I and we are queued as a Tank and Healer but really are DPS, we are not sorry.

Do you know how many hours I lost in 4 years due to people NOT being able to do ANY role properly? If my boyfriend and I are doing a random queue, we are not going to waste time. Unless you state at the beginning you are doing the quest, we will wait on you. If you ask to know mechanics, we will tell you. If you need to do an extra boss off to the side for the achievement, we will help. Just ask. Communicate. If not, well, keep up.

And the ONE TIME I did queue as an actual tank on my tank, we were in V Direfrost Keep for over an hour because the DPS were too slow and didn't understand about breaking free of the bosses CC in which she gets health back even after I told them. And the healer kept dying. Like WTF. I had to switch my Tank setup to do some actual damage to make progress so not only was I resing all of them all the time but I was doing damage, tanking and using my vigor on them.

F that. Never doing that again. If I know I can tank, damage and heal myself, I will queue as a tank while being a DPS.

Runkorko · September 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

If anyone ends up in a random queue with my boyfriend and I and we are queued as a Tank and Healer but really are DPS, we are not sorry.

Do you know how many hours I lost in 4 years due to people NOT being able to do ANY role properly? If my boyfriend and I are doing a random queue, we are not going to waste time. Unless you state at the beginning you are doing the quest, we will wait on you. If you ask to know mechanics, we will tell you. If you need to do an extra boss off to the side for the achievement, we will help. Just ask. Communicate. If not, well, keep up.

And the ONE TIME I did queue as an actual tank on my tank, we were in V Direfrost Keep for over an hour because the DPS were too slow and didn't understand about breaking free of the bosses CC in which she gets health back even after I told them. And the healer kept dying. Like WTF. I had to switch my Tank setup to do some actual damage to make progress so not only was I resing all of them all the time but I was doing damage, tanking and using my vigor on them.

F that. Never doing that again. If I know I can tank, damage and heal myself, I will queue as a tank while being a DPS.

One advice. Dont ress on DFK.
They will keep feeding the boss. Better duo/solo.

FatFred · September 2019

I faketanked several dungeon today, Does it make me a bad guy?

Jeremy · September 2019

FatFred wrote: »

I faketanked several dungeon today, Does it make me a bad guy?

Yes. ^^

D0PAMINE · September 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

FatFred wrote: »

I faketanked several dungeon today, Does it make me a bad guy?

Yes. ^^

Thats why I never pug except on my real tank. Did a vBlackheart and dps was pulling after first boss before everyone was in the door. Didn't kick them, just asked if I could pull and they were nice about it. Got the HM for the others and no death.

RiskyChalice863 · September 2019

Facefister wrote: »

As long as there are fake DDs, there will be fake tanks. Deal with it. I won't take a 45 minutes tour through my daily random when I can burn through it with slotted vigor and inner fire in 10 minutes

There’s not really any such thing as a fake damage dealer. There are people who are trying to be damage dealers and are bad at it. But when have you ever come across someone who queued as a damage dealer with the full intention of tanking or healing? It doesn’t happen. There’s a big difference. You can be frustrated with a damage dealing player who is bad, but normally they’re just inexperienced, low level, and/or don’t have good gear. Everyone has to start somewhere so you can’t really be mad at them—even if you’d rather have gotten a 810 CP buzzsaw in your group instead. Fake tanks are different. You see, the queue for tank is much shorter than the queue for damage, so these are people who are basically trying to skip the line for damage dealing by queuing for tank and, in doing so, they deprive their group of a tank. They typically make things way harder for everyone else just so that they can have a shorter wait time for damage dealing than the damage dealing queue is. It’s selfish and you can be mad at someone for doing that.

Tsar_Gekkou · September 2019

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

As long as there are fake DDs, there will be fake tanks. Deal with it. I won't take a 45 minutes tour through my daily random when I can burn through it with slotted vigor and inner fire in 10 minutes

There’s not really any such thing as a fake damage dealer. There are people who are trying to be damage dealers and are bad at it. But when have you ever come across someone who queued as a damage dealer with the full intention of tanking or healing? It doesn’t happen. There’s a big difference. You can be frustrated with a damage dealing player who is bad, but normally they’re just inexperienced, low level, and/or don’t have good gear. Everyone has to start somewhere so you can’t really be mad at them—even if you’d rather have gotten a 810 CP buzzsaw in your group instead. Fake tanks are different. You see, the queue for tank is much shorter than the queue for damage, so these are people who are basically trying to skip the line for damage dealing by queuing for tank and, in doing so, they deprive their group of a tank. They typically make things way harder for everyone else just so that they can have a shorter wait time for damage dealing than the damage dealing queue is. It’s selfish and you can be mad at someone for doing that.

I've had dps queue with sword and board and use sword and board skills to do damage. There is such thing as a fake dd and people don't want to admit it because then they'd have to admit that not everyone who queues as a dps does their job. As others have said, if the healer or tank is doing more damage than you and they aren't in dps gear, you're a fake dd. I just left a normal Maarselok group where one dd was wearing ebon and heavy attacking with a lightning staff, and the other dd was doing something, but was putting out less damage than the other guy in ebon. My healer was cranking out the most damage by far just weaving crushing shock and light attacks in a full healer setup. Those definitely count as fake dds.

Runkorko · September 2019

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

As long as there are fake DDs, there will be fake tanks. Deal with it. I won't take a 45 minutes tour through my daily random when I can burn through it with slotted vigor and inner fire in 10 minutes

There’s not really any such thing as a fake damage dealer. There are people who are trying to be damage dealers and are bad at it. But when have you ever come across someone who queued as a damage dealer with the full intention of tanking or healing? It doesn’t happen. There’s a big difference. You can be frustrated with a damage dealing player who is bad, but normally they’re just inexperienced, low level, and/or don’t have good gear. Everyone has to start somewhere so you can’t really be mad at them—even if you’d rather have gotten a 810 CP buzzsaw in your group instead. Fake tanks are different. You see, the queue for tank is much shorter than the queue for damage, so these are people who are basically trying to skip the line for damage dealing by queuing for tank and, in doing so, they deprive their group of a tank. They typically make things way harder for everyone else just so that they can have a shorter wait time for damage dealing than the damage dealing queue is. It’s selfish and you can be mad at someone for doing that.

I've had dps queue with sword and board and use sword and board skills to do damage. There is such thing as a fake dd and people don't want to admit it because then they'd have to admit that not everyone who queues as a dps does their job. As others have said, if the healer or tank is doing more damage than you and they aren't in dps gear, you're a fake dd. I just left a normal Maarselok group where one dd was wearing ebon and heavy attacking with a lightning staff, and the other dd was doing something, but was putting out less damage than the other guy in ebon. My healer was cranking out the most damage by far just weaving crushing shock and light attacks in a full healer setup. Those definitely count as fake dds.

even with SnB skills he can stil push 20k+ on boss. Same with resto staff.
Having sword and board or resto staff on main bar dont make you fake dps / we dont speak about trials and serious vets.
Queing as dps but spamng heal or just tanking the mobs make you fake dps.
And about the tanks, no one care what they use. As long as they keep agro and not die.
I wont mind even if they have resto staff on bar for off heal and just use taunt from undaunted skill line to keep boss agro

Stebarnz · September 2019

I queue random normal as tank, if we get any non dlc dungeon I crush it for the group nice and easy. If we get a dlc I leave as it takes too long and that's not an efficient use of my time.

Just add in an opt out of dlc option to random normal queue and all good.

Any dps can hold block if they get aggro while other 3 burn boss down, on normal non dlc its not a problem.

If anyone says they NEED a tank on normal non dlc dungeons what they mean is they NEED to learn how to play this game effectively. FACT!

El_Borracho · September 2019

Someone should really bring this brand new issue of fake tanks to ZOS' attention. I feel this could upset other players

max_only · September 2019

ICP without someone who has a taunt is just torture. Feels like I dropped the soap in that prison. Don’t even need to do much else. Just taunt and block. Don’t need to do positioning when you have high dps.

Couldn’t kill the Abomination with the fake tank, kicked the fake tank and Abomination died without 1 death. I mean really. I’m patient and nice, I’ll let complete strangers read the quests and open all the bookshelves. I’ll take under 50s to norm dlc pledges and carefully type out the instructions.

All you need to do is taunt and hold block. If people can’t do that then why are you queuing as tank?

DarcyMardin · September 2019

So, serious question:

Real tank here, not fake (tank gear, taunts, Max CP, group buffs, high health etc.) but not super experienced with DLC dungeons. Would you rather have a real but inexperienced tank who probably doesn’t know every single mechanic, but can certainly taunt, block, interrupt, and survive most of the time, or a fake tank with high DPS?

Because during this event, I’ve been hesitating to queue for ICP or WGT.