if the following 2 conditions are true, then i welcome fake tanks
1.can do 70%+ total damage
2.it is a normal dungeon
I am not one of the top high end players ,what i want is just a easy and quick daily dungeon run, if the fake tank is fully cped, all golden, freaking big high burst dps. Why not??? that makes life much easier .
For DLC vets
instant vote to kick
So if you set it to tank, the rest of the PUG have every right to expect a tank, if you set it to healer then they have every right to expect a healer, and if you lie they have every right to vote kick you.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »So if you set it to tank, the rest of the PUG have every right to expect a tank, if you set it to healer then they have every right to expect a healer, and if you lie they have every right to vote kick you.
Yes, and if all of those rights combined still don't grant you a proper tank every time you PUG, you have every right to come complain about it on forums, which won't change anything.
Or you can just understand that you shouldn't PUG if you have expectations, and set up your own group instead, with friends, guildies or zone chat, whatever suits you. It's not like there are no alternatives out there.
People ARE complaining about it, this thread is one example of it.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »So if you set it to tank, the rest of the PUG have every right to expect a tank, if you set it to healer then they have every right to expect a healer, and if you lie they have every right to vote kick you.
Yes, and if all of those rights combined still don't grant you a proper tank every time you PUG, you have every right to come complain about it on forums, which won't change anything.
Or you can just understand that you shouldn't PUG if you have expectations, and set up your own group instead, with friends, guildies or zone chat, whatever suits you. It's not like there are no alternatives out there.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Don't pug = problem solved.
Don't do dungeons you can't solo = problem solved.
Don't ever expect anyone to live up to your standards or do what is expected of them = no more of these silly posts..?
>^^<
You are jk or just plain stupid ? I dont want to ofend you. I rly wondering.
Or you trolling?
There is a ROLE. DONT pick one, if you cant fulfil it. Simple. Even more than you.
Problem solved.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Don't pug = problem solved.
Don't do dungeons you can't solo = problem solved.
Don't ever expect anyone to live up to your standards or do what is expected of them = no more of these silly posts..?
>^^<
You are jk or just plain stupid ? I dont want to ofend you. I rly wondering.
Or you trolling?
There is a ROLE. DONT pick one, if you cant fulfil it. Simple. Even more than you.
Problem solved.
^ Don't ever expect anyone to live up to your standards or do what is expected of them = no more of these silly posts..?
... apparently not as much so as the people posting here who assume everyone is going to do what is expected of them xD
Defending this type of behaviour will only make the false role issue worse and worse.
Have some standards and some respect towards your fellow players please.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Besides, the "fake tanks" / "fake healers" are a valid workaround to the lack of tanks and healers ingame.
Wispsister wrote: »Honestly the amount of people who queue for tank (and to a lesser degree, healer) in some cases and just do subpar DPS instead of the role they signed up for is super annoying.
If you queue as a tank, just please actually tank. It's common courtesy to do the role you signed up for. I get DPS queues are bad, but I didn't sit in a half-hour long queue either just to die over and over because we don't have a tank redirecting damage.
And before that that "uwu but if it's a normal then who cares" argument crops up, it doesn't matter what difficulty it is. You're still a jerk. Unless you can nuke everything into orbit and "tank" that way, you should just queue with a friend to cut the lines instead. The roles are there for a reason.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Btw there are enough tank/healers in the game but they rarly use lfg.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Btw there are enough tank/healers in the game but they rarly use lfg.
No, there aren't. You can see that in every single PVE guild out there.
And they rarely use LFG because they already face too high a demand in their own guilds.
So what's your suggestion for this problem ?
Queue times as a dps are long yes, but they aren't really a problem unless you are a person who can not wait. They are around 15-25 mins. I do have respect for my fellow players and wait it out, only to be disadvantaged by someone who thinks he is good. Someone who for whatever stupid excuse thinks they should not have to wait in queue like other players, someone who thinks they deserve to lie and cheat to get ahead.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Defending this type of behaviour will only make the false role issue worse and worse.
Have some standards and some respect towards your fellow players please.
I have every respect for my fellow players - including (unlike you) the ones that don't behave the way I'd like them to.
Besides, the "fake tanks" / "fake healers" are a valid workaround to the lack of tanks and healers ingame. No etiquette or code of conduct will solve the general and understandable unbalance and the over representation of damage dealers. If everyone would stick to their role, how long do you think you'd wait in the queue as DD ? What would you suggest as a solution ? Sometimes you have to look a the bigger picture.
I for one think ZOS should get rid of "roles" in the grouping tool altogether and let the groups figure out themselves how they want to run the dungeon. Let's see what they come up with in the upcoming new grouping tool.
Queue times as a dps are long yes, but they aren't really a problem unless you are a person who can not wait. They are around 15-25 mins. I do have respect for my fellow players and wait it out, only to be disadvantaged by someone who thinks he is good. Someone who for whatever stupid excuse thinks they should not have to wait in queue like other players, someone who think they deserve to lie and cheat to get ahead.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Defending this type of behaviour will only make the false role issue worse and worse.
Have some standards and some respect towards your fellow players please.
I have every respect for my fellow players - including (unlike you) the ones that don't behave the way I'd like them to.
Besides, the "fake tanks" / "fake healers" are a valid workaround to the lack of tanks and healers ingame. No etiquette or code of conduct will solve the general and understandable unbalance and the over representation of damage dealers. If everyone would stick to their role, how long do you think you'd wait in the queue as DD ? What would you suggest as a solution ? Sometimes you have to look a the bigger picture.
I for one think ZOS should get rid of "roles" in the grouping tool altogether and let the groups figure out themselves how they want to run the dungeon. Let's see what they come up with in the upcoming new grouping tool.
Also, those selecting a false role do not have any respect towards their fellow players! They lie by selecting a fake role, which results in three people being disadvantaged by alot! And even lowering DPS as a whole, due to there not being a steady tank and all the other reasons I put in my first post in this thread.
Using 'but other dps are bad' or 'queue times are long' as an excuse does not fly. Selecting the fake tank role means you are causing other players to do alot less dps. You are also not allowing players to learn their respected roles, and disrespect their time they waited in queue. Only to end up with someone destroying their dungeon run, and even more time. Being not only disrespectful to someone their dungeon run, but also by being disrespectful towards someone else their time.
You are the one not seeing the bigger picture, you selecting a false role(lying/cheating) means you are disdvantaging other players in every way imaginable. For nothing other than personal gain.
You are the one not seeing the bigger picture, you selecting a false role(lying/cheating) means you are disdvantaging other players in every way imaginable. For nothing other than personal gain.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm just tolerant towards those who fake role. Just like I'm tolerant towards those who rush ahead, those who disband before questers have finished their business, those who don't say "hi", and so on.
To who?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I dare to call my attitude 100% respectful.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm just tolerant towards those who fake role. Just like I'm tolerant towards those who rush ahead, those who disband before questers have finished their business, those who don't say "hi", and so on.
Why ?
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »To who?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I dare to call my attitude 100% respectful.
You dont mind cheaters, and on top of that you even respect them.
As i said, part of the problem...
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm just tolerant towards those who fake role. Just like I'm tolerant towards those who rush ahead, those who disband before questers have finished their business, those who don't say "hi", and so on.
Why ?
It's called TOLERANCE. Look it up, ask your teachers, whatever suits you.
On top of being (I believe) a positive personal quality, it also prevents me worked getting all worked up and wasting my emotional energy on stuff and people that I have no power upon and that ultimately dont matter.To who?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I dare to call my attitude 100% respectful.
You dont mind cheaters, and on top of that you even respect them.
As i said, part of the problem...
To everyone.
Those people aren't cheaters (else you could report them to ZOS instead of whining here), they're just agile and don't bend by each more or less stupid rule that's being thrown at them. And even if they cause me some annoyance, then it costs me nothing to be flexible. Tolerance, you see ?
Another person who thinks they know how to play and others don't. You know lots of people like to play for fun so may not be "good" as you think you are.
Heaven forbid people want to play in a public game. After all, if you are so good, how come you are not making millions in cyber sports game? Ore even real life games and become a sports star?
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »O yea, they are. Thats why in other games they get kicked. But zos even pamper them here. So they fil comfy. Agile ? How? By ruin sm1 else imersion and expirience ? yes then i agree, they are vert agile in that. Stupid rule? Since when roles are stupid rule? They are there for a reason.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Thats why in other games they get kicked.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Enjoy playing with such ppl. Hope to never have you in my grp.
runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Look around you. Street, tv, games, see where tolerance leeds you.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Defending this type of behaviour will only make the false role issue worse and worse.
Have some standards and some respect towards your fellow players please.
I have every respect for my fellow players - including (unlike you) the ones that don't behave the way I'd like them to.
Besides, the "fake tanks" / "fake healers" are a valid workaround to the lack of tanks and healers ingame. No etiquette or code of conduct will solve the general and understandable unbalance and the over representation of damage dealers. If everyone would stick to their role, how long do you think you'd wait in the queue as DD ? What would you suggest as a solution ? Sometimes you have to look a the bigger picture.
I for one think ZOS should get rid of "roles" in the grouping tool altogether and let the groups figure out themselves how they want to run the dungeon. Let's see what they come up with in the upcoming new grouping tool.
Here's my thots:
So yesterday while leveling my <50 pet sorc with a friend (who is >50) we got a tank that was level 16 and obviously had no taunt or sword and board. So after we finished I offered to teach (usually i tank) them and took them with me. I made them a sword and board and ice staff (for ranged taunt they had no undaunted yet).
Then I took them to my house for training dummy use and ran a few dungeons with them. It was a very good experience for both of us. IMHO you need to take each case and look at it. Yeah a cp 750 "tank" is a pain but when u see someone < 50 maybe they just need some help. I know I did when i started.
Personally i dislike the ppl who don't wait for ppl doing the quests way more than "fake tanks" . You wan to speed run a normal ASK, don't assume everyone does otherwise queue with your friends. I may want that skill point on a toon that hasn't done it and others may as well.
BTW the level 16 tank did quite well on the next few dungeons and we picked up a dps that needed help as well.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »O yea, they are. Thats why in other games they get kicked. But zos even pamper them here. So they fil comfy. Agile ? How? By ruin sm1 else imersion and expirience ? yes then i agree, they are vert agile in that. Stupid rule? Since when roles are stupid rule? They are there for a reason.
No, roles are not "here for a reason". They are here because it's an MMO tradition which (some) people assume are the only possible design for group play, and I'm glad that ESO allows for more flexibility with regards to that stiff, outdated design that makes for boring, cookie-cuttered dungeon runs. I wouldn't be playing ESO if they were strict on "roles".runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Thats why in other games they get kicked.
This is ESO. Not other games. Maybe you should consider playing those great other games with strict rules regarding roles.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Enjoy playing with such ppl. Hope to never have you in my grp.
Easy (and only) way to be sure to never have me in your group : don't PUG ! :-)
Best random runs are the ones where I queue as a (genuine) healer and I end up healing AND tanking