Why no built-in group loot monitor?

Heelie · September 2019

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Heelie wrote: »

I think it would help a lot. I never link my stuff in pugs as I just asume people farming for specific stuff would use the addon. I am certain a lot of good items have been lost due to this feature not being here.

The people whom are afraid of a feature like this are just anti-social introverts that are afraid of any social interaction. You can just say --> no

And you can just ask in chat 🤷🏾‍♂️ Why do you need to be creeping?

my point is that a lot of people don't pay attention to their loot. Addons like the ones on PC makes sure that people have acces to see all loot dropped if they're looking for an item.

Miraslova · September 2019

Instant wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I play on PC. If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always no. Always.

Now, if no one asks me, I will offer up just about anything I get. Especially if they are polite at the beginning and say, "I am looking for X Set"

In other words, if you want something ask, don't spy

I do it the other way round.

I play on PC. If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always yes. Always.

Now, if no one asks me, I will not just link all my drops in chat. Especially if they are annoying at the beginning and say, "I am looking for X Set"

In other words, if you want something pm me, don't waste my time.

^
This.

RodneyRegis · September 2019

Don't see the issue. Unless I'm looking for something I don't pay too much attention to loot. If somebody wants something and they ask, they can have it - unless I want it. Most of the time people whisper me for something I didn't even realise I had it.

ZeroXFF · September 2019

It would be much easier if everyone had this functionality, then I wouldn't need to stay in the group and keep linking all the junk I got, they could just whisper me and we'd trade. And if I do need the item, I'll just say no. I've never gotten harassed or anything because of the loot I refused to give.

Just learn to say no, and you won't have a problem. Also, this would help you IRL too, not just in ESO.

Hapexamendios · September 2019

Stupid idea. I don’t want people to see my drops. If I have something to share I’ll let them know.

code65536 · September 2019

It's a matter of community culture and expectations.

Some people, particularly those that run with strangers and PUGs, see loot as their own and are protective as what they see as their "privacy". It's understandable--why are complete strangers looking at what I got?

However, for most people in the endgame, running with premade groups, it's about the team. Everyone worked together to get the kill, so, in a sense, the loot is everyone's. Everyone understands how annoying the gear grind is. Everyone understands that the loot distribution is just random--i.e., it's not like someone got a better piece because they deserved it more than someone else. And everyone is interested in the progress of the group as a whole. I might get the perfect weapon for a stamina DD in a perfect trait, but if I usually play magicka and someone in the group who mostly plays stamina actually needs that weapon, the expectation is that I'll hand that weapon to them because that's what's good for the group.

And it's pretty common, for people in the endgame, to not bother linking loot. Many people--myself included--operate under the expectation that if you are looking for something, that you should have a loot addon, that you are looking out to see if someone got what you want, and that you then approach us about it. If nobody asks me about it, then I will assume that nobody wants it (unless it's something that I know is highly sought-after by most people and nobody has asked for it, then I'll link it in case someone missed it in the loot history).

I'm not saying that one way is right or one way is different. It's a cultural thing.

Some people see it as an invasion of privacy. Some people are bewildered by the very notion that group loot could even be considered private.
Some people see it as impolite to ask for loot that hasn't been linked. And some people see that the onus is on the person seeking the loot to watch and ask for items.
Some people derisively call loot addons "spy" addons. Some people want the players looking for gear to be watching for it themselves.

ZeroXFF · September 2019

highkingnm wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Just learn to say no, and you won't have a problem.

Not like we all said we do that and still have problems.

You saying you had a problem and you actually having a problem are different things. Addons that enable this functionality are used by probably 50% of the PC population, so you're coming in contact with hundreds of people every week who see what your drops are if you run in PUGs frequently, but how often have you encountered people who actually continue bothering you after you said you needed the item? 1, 2?

At those proportions I can tell you a story about how I got harassed by a guy who refused to give me an item just because I asked for it before he linked it. The answer to the question "do you need that X you got" the answer was "no, but I won't give it to you". And when I asked what I did wrong, he went on a rant about the addon. So I told him to keep it, but he continued making a scene about it for the entire duration of the dungeon (the item dropped from first boss), and even after we were done, he was telling me that he would have given me the item if I apologized, and threatened to deconstruct it if I didn't. After the scene he made it should have been him apologizing. Needless to say I told him to keep it. I got the item 2 runs later from somebody who was less of a ***.

Seriously though, I don't have time to link all the drops I got in a dungeon, especially if I did 5 dungeons in a row and haven't cleared my bags in between. I'd much prefer it if people just asked me for items that they need instead of forcing me to search through 150 items in my bag just to find that the only thing I have for their set is a well-fitted helmet. I could be half way through the next dungeon by that time, potentially getting drops that someone actually does need.

Jhalin · September 2019

Anyone who’s so petty they’d refuse to give someone gear they know full well they don’t need just because the person asking is using an addon, is inconsiderate to put it lightly.

I promise you the vast majority of people using this addon take a “No” without any fuss.

There’s zero reason for so much vitriol from the anti-info sharing crowd.

max_only · September 2019

I have guild members who have it. And I don’t like it. But I don’t go off on them. We’re fighting and they say “ooh nice Max you got x” and I’m confused how they know before I do. I’m flummoxed but I don’t get snippy. At the end when I’m looking through inventory I will link what I want to give up. If I get a whisper “hey what about that dagger” and it wasn’t a dagger I linked I’d get pissed. Bro I linked what I’m willing to trade, did you see that dagger? No.

My past experience with a game that had this loot spy built in was terrible. I don’t want it in this game. Just like I dont want an Inspect feature.

MattT1988 · September 2019

Still don’t see why we need one. If someone wants to give something away they almost always tag it in chat.

AlnilamE · September 2019

Pednick wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MorganaLaVey wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I play on PC. If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always no. Always.

Now, if no one asks me, I will offer up just about anything I get. Especially if they are polite at the beginning and say, "I am looking for X Set"

In other words, if you want something ask, don't spy

This is YOUR personal preference! As you can see other players have different preferenses.

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

It's a great addon. I can't track who wants what in a pug group. I like that people can see my drops and whisper me if they need them. Otherwise it's a mess in group chat. [...]

Instant wrote: »

[...] If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always yes. Always.

Now, if no one asks me, I will not just link all my drops in chat. [...]

In other words, if you want something pm me, don't waste my time.

If you force others to run a dungeon or trail 20?,30?, 50? times more by not giving them what they need, just because they use an add on YOU dont like... well i have to say you are a giant a**hole.

Is Nestor also your ingame user ID? I can add you to my ignore list then, maybe this prevnts me from runing a dungeon or trail 20-50 times more than nessesery.

So in other words, you can't tell the group in the beginning that your farming a set? Instead you want to poke your nose into my bags uninvited? And I am the ***?

Please block me. Do me the favor.

Addon doesn't show what's in your bag, it shows what drops in public group chat.

...as it goes into someone's bag. If the person doesn't pick up the loot, you will never know what they would have picked up.

MorganaLaVey wrote: »

highkingnm wrote: »

Here's the exact entitlement everyone was highlighting. If you don't get the drop and it isn't offered to you, you run it as often as you like/need. You are not entitled to it. [...]

Nestor is not an arsehole for not giving up gear.[...]

this is not about spaming and not about not taking no for an awnser! this is about someone who does not give me somthing because i use an addon he does not like

Nestor wrote: »

I play on PC. If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always no. Always.

He would give it to me if i would not use the addon

It's his loot and his prerogative how he wants to go about sharing it or not. He could destroy it right in front of you if he wanted. You are still not entitled to something that dropped for someone else, whether you saw it drop or not.

Personally, I don't keep a close eye on what I'm looting as we go along, but I do ask at the end if anyone is farming anything and trade them any pieces I got.

If they ever institute a feature like the OP proposes, I want the option to opt out of it.

Instant · September 2019

AlnilamE wrote: »

It's his loot and his prerogative how he wants to go about sharing it or not. He could destroy it right in front of you if he wanted. You are still not entitled to something that dropped for someone else, whether you saw it drop or not.

Why do you keep bringing that up? You are right and we all agree.
ZOS decided that everyone in the group can see what loot others get.
It is your right to punish people for using that feature but tbh it's just childish behaviour.

AlnilamE · September 2019

Instant wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It's his loot and his prerogative how he wants to go about sharing it or not. He could destroy it right in front of you if he wanted. You are still not entitled to something that dropped for someone else, whether you saw it drop or not.

Why do you keep bringing that up? You are right and we all agree.
ZOS decided that everyone in the group can see what loot others get.
It is your right to punish people for using that feature but tbh it's just childish behaviour.

This was my first post in the thread...

OG_Kaveman · September 2019

people may not like the addon but i tell you what, i would not have half the stuff i have and use daily, if that addon wasnt there. most people are more than willing to share what they got.

Katahdin · September 2019

I use the addon and I like seeing what the drops are.
I never ask someone about thier drop if I see them get something I need.
I only ask for it if they offer it.
I hate getting asked for something I got that I didnt offer. I didnt offer it because I want it.

highkingnm · September 2019

Instant wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It's his loot and his prerogative how he wants to go about sharing it or not. He could destroy it right in front of you if he wanted. You are still not entitled to something that dropped for someone else, whether you saw it drop or not.

Why do you keep bringing that up? You are right and we all agree.
ZOS decided that everyone in the group can see what loot others get.
It is your right to punish people for using that feature but tbh it's just childish behaviour.

That was his first comment and multiple people have only vaguely agreed that it is for others to with as they like, saying it unfair or unpleasant not to be given that gear. That’s not accepting that.

However, you have also used the ‘punish’ keyword. Not being given gear you likely wouldn’t have been given or received anyway is not punishment. Punishment implies cruelty. People keeping their stuff is, on no occasion, punishment. It is far more childish to claim not getting what you want is a punishment, quite literally like a child who isn’t allowed sweets by his mum when out in the shops.

ZOS_JesC · September 2019

Greetings, we've removed a handful of baiting and combative comments. Since this discussion could not remain civil, we've decided to close this thread.