Why no built-in group loot monitor?

daedalusAI

I find it highly questionable that ESO doesn't offer the basic functionality to see what your group members got from a boss when boss drops are flagged to be tradeable between the party members.

As I'm on PC I can get myself an addon to fill said void, but the core issue remains.

Hallothiel

Why should you see what others have got? It is up to the individual as to whether they want to trade or not.

Mettaricana

But i don't want you to see my sick drops that you also have been farming just to shame and guilt me for not being an absolute pilgrim and give to you...

Tsar_Gekkou

Because people think it'll be abused far more than it actually would. Same with showing group dps.

Darkenarlol

you can't see it because...it is not yours

spy addon enspired whispers without

REALLY good price offering just leads to ignore

heaven13

Because if people don't want something they picked up, they'll link it?

Tan9oSuccka

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Because people think it'll be abused far more than it actually would. Same with showing group dps.

I disagree. It would be completely abused.

No thanks on this.

Nestor

I play on PC. If someone in my group asks me about a drop I got because of that group loot Add On, the answer is always no. Always.

Now, if no one asks me, I will offer up just about anything I get. Especially if they are polite at the beginning and say, "I am looking for X Set"

In other words, if you want something ask, don't spy

psypanda

because snowflakes already complain that you can "spy on the loot" with addons so i doubt it will ever happen in base game.
prepare that this thread will be filled with roleplayers complaining that people see which gear they loot.
its a very sensitive topic

its kinda the same that people complain that you can see how they perform in dungeons / trials with the help of addons like combat metrics (dps) - the only difference to the loot spy community is even without combat metrics anyone with a bit of knowledge of the game can easily tell how you perform without looking at any kinda addon

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

daedalusAI wrote: »

I find it highly questionable that ESO doesn't offer the basic functionality to see what your group members got from a boss when boss drops are flagged to be tradeable between the party members.

As I'm on PC I can get myself an addon to fill said void, but the core issue remains.

Hell no. Enough harassment we receive in trials with the current addon.

darkblue5

One time someone hate whispered like a paragraph when I just threw out an ask about a drop after normal trial run
I didn't have the add-on. It was awkward.
I guess they got the drop and were paranoid about people bugging them for it because apparently they needed it and I was violating TOS for using the add-on....
So I reminded them that I asked if anyone got an extra of the drop that they didn't need at the usual time one does. And that is was a commonly desired drop.
Got the drop anyways a couple of runs later and well before I was expected to so...

Lazarus_Rising

Why have people problems with just saying "no"? If someone is that persistand and annoying just ignore him. But some people have to run hundreds of runs to get a item which you may not even need. Why is it so bad that they ask then? We are a community. We should work together!

Runs

Too many people don't want their loot to be known by all. I think they fear it *could* be used to bully people to give/sell away gear they are trying to farm on one role to give to another character of a different roll... You got tank gear, but on DPS and tank wants it. In pugs who cares, but in guild runs you, again, *could* be pressured to give it up.

Although that's not what I've seen in game. Most people seem a lot friendly than other games where that kind of thing could cause toxic issues. I think that ZOS could always add a toggle if they decided to add a feature that shows group loot so if you don't want it to be shown it wont be. Most people I've played with want to give away the crap they don't want or need to players who do.

bmnoble

If your farming a set in group content, maybe just tell your group what your looking for at the start, like everyone else does, takes a few seconds to type out that your looking for "such and such set pieces, willing to tip" ect...

Most times unless I am specifically looking for something myself I give the loot to the person that asked for it at the start of the dungeon for nothing.

You know what happens to the loot that nobody wants? I either decon it or vendor it.

I always make a point, if I get something I know is a rare drop, that I know I won't use to let the group know I got it and see if anyone wants it, have given away a few BSW inferno staffs, while tanking the two City of ash dungeons as an example.

I have been in groups with people using that spying add on, first time I encountered it, I hadn't even noticed what loot I had gotten, since I wan't paying attention, when one group member asked if I was going to use some piece of gear that dropped, took me a little while to know what he was on about.

He got his item but was personally annoyed to be spied on, so I made sure he tipped me to get it, if he had just asked, like I mention above I would have given it to him for free.


But to answer your question OP, you don't get to see it because its not your drop, I suspect they designed it that way to force people to actually talk to people in chat, probably because they assumed when they made dungeons that people would hang around at the end to go over what loot they each got and see if anyone wanted it.

What they did not anticipate is the vast majority of us don't find the loot valuable unless we are specifically farming for it and just leave the group at the end, which is why you should always let the group know your after stuff at the beginning of the content not at the end, by the time the last boss is dead its too late to be typing out what you wanted.

VaranisArano

Its not as useful as one might think.

1. Below Vet DLCs and Vet CoH2 and CoA2, players in your group can be below CP 160, so seeing their loot isn't helpful.

2. There's no reason you can't just ask your group members to consider giving you what you need if they get it, with essentially the same result.

3. Farming gear with a premade group for that purpose is still the most effective method to get the gear you want.


So unless I'm missing something, there's really no point to adding a group loot monitor, unless you don't want to ask your group members to help you or you want to bother group members when they don't offer you their drop after you asked. In either case, the loot monitor doesnt get you anything more or less than you would from being friendly and social.

Personally, I fall in the category of "I'm happy to share if you asked for help in group chat, but I don't appreciate you looking over my shoulder."

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

Why have people problems with just saying "no"? If someone is that persistand and annoying just ignore him. But some people have to run hundreds of runs to get a item which you may not even need. Why is it so bad that they ask then? We are a community. We should work together!

Seriously you haven't received a AY dagger yet. When you do lets us know if it is a good idea to even allow the addon to exist.

MJallday

Let’s just say I got something that you were desperate for - think advancing daggers or maybe perfect lokesties daggers - and I didn’t want to trade them - the amount of saltiness I’d get from you would be unreal when you found out they didn’t drop for you . You’d be pestering me and potentially ostresising me from future runs cos I didn’t trade them

This is a very bad idea . I’m glad it will go nowhere

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

MJallday wrote: »

Let’s just say I got something that you were desperate for - think advancing daggers or maybe perfect lokesties daggers - and I didn’t want to trade them - the amount of saltiness I’d get from you would be unreal when you found out they didn’t drop for you . You’d be pestering me and potentially ostresising me from future runs cos I didn’t trade them

This is a very bad idea . I’m glad it will go nowhere

Don't forget False gods and especially BSW inferno staff. Had to block all 3 of the group and i was kicked before the dungeon end because I didn't want to trade. (I was the healer).

VaranisArano

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

Why have people problems with just saying "no"? If someone is that persistand and annoying just ignore him. But some people have to run hundreds of runs to get a item which you may not even need. Why is it so bad that they ask then? We are a community. We should work together!

I don't mind being asked "Hey, I'm looking for X set..." Or "Did anyone get an X they don't need?" In group chat.

That's working together!

That's not the same as someone looking over my shoulder and saying, in effect, "Hey, if you arent going to use that, can I have it?"

That's not really working together. That's someone using an addon to get access to info they wouldnt normally have without me sharing it in order to ask me for what they want.


Besides, in practice it encourages people to be judgey about accepting "No" for an answer.

Without a loot monitor, everyone is happily ignorant if someone doesnt want to share.

With a loot monitor, it becomes clear how few players are willing to gracefully accept "No" for an answer when someone else has a drop they really want.

In other words, the problem isnt saying "No." The problem happens when the person with the loot monitor feels entitled to the drop and won't accept "No" gracefully. And having had a couple experiences like that, it really contributes to the knee-jerk reaction of saying "No" to anyone using a loot monitor even if I don't need the drop.

Tsar_Gekkou

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

Why have people problems with just saying "no"? If someone is that persistand and annoying just ignore him. But some people have to run hundreds of runs to get a item which you may not even need. Why is it so bad that they ask then? We are a community. We should work together!

People are highly antisocial and would rather not interact with strangers if they didn't have to. I'm on xbox and in the times i've accidentally linked a Lokkestiiz dagger or jewelry piece and had people begging for it, they all stopped after I said that i'm keeping it. I haven't got hate mail yet, so maybe the perceived toxicity is just a PC player thing.

heaven13

psypanda wrote: »

because snowflakes already complain that you can "spy on the loot" with addons so i doubt it will ever happen in base game.
prepare that this thread will be filled with roleplayers complaining that people see which gear they loot.
its a very sensitive topic

its kinda the same that people complain that you can see how they perform in dungeons / trials with the help of addons like combat metrics (dps) - the only difference to the loot spy community is even without combat metrics anyone with a bit of knowledge of the game can easily tell how you perform without looking at any kinda addon

I love when people use roleplayers as some kind of derisive insult. For the record:

• Not a roleplayer
• Not opposed to esologs/combat metrics (even have myself not set as anonymous)
• Still would rather offer loot I don't want than have people whisper me about it without prompting

I'm happy to give away loot I don't want, and free. Even if it's highly desirable. However, I also have a lot of characters and, among them, all roles so if I need gear, I keep it and shouldn't have to argue with someone who saw I got it and thinks I should give/sell it to them.

VaranisArano

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

Why have people problems with just saying "no"? If someone is that persistand and annoying just ignore him. But some people have to run hundreds of runs to get a item which you may not even need. Why is it so bad that they ask then? We are a community. We should work together!

People are highly antisocial and would rather not interact with strangers if they didn't have to. I'm on xbox and in the times i've accidentally linked a Lokkestiiz dagger or jewelry piece and had people begging for it, they all stopped after I said that i'm keeping it. I haven't got hate mail yet, so maybe the perceived toxicity is just a PC player thing.

If I had to guess, the toxicity is probably the same, but the average PC player meets a lot more people with a loot monitor addon that you accidentally link desirable gear.

So we just have more bad experiences due to the presence of loot monitor addons.

ShellaSunshine

I don't want a group loot monitor system in game.

If I'm grinding a dungeon for a particular piece, I don't want complete strangers whispering me asking for it.

I'm already annoyed with people who use the Loot Log or other loot notifier mods asking me for a piece I got that I was actually trying to get.

If I get a set piece I don't want, I will link it in group chat, otherwise it's no one's business what I got from the bosses.

Naftal

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

I don't want a group loot monitor system in game.

If I'm grinding a dungeon for a particular piece, I don't want complete strangers whispering me asking for it.

I'm already annoyed with people who use the Loot Log or other loot notifier mods asking me for a piece I got that I was actually trying to get.

If I get a set piece I don't want, I will link it in group chat, otherwise it's no one's business what I got from the bosses.

Sounds like you have some issues if you get annoyed by someone asking. Just tell them no.

RexyCat

Runs wrote: »

Too many people don't want their loot to be known by all. I think they fear it *could* be used to bully people to give/sell away gear they are trying to farm on one role to give to another character of a different roll... You got tank gear, but on DPS and tank wants it. In pugs who cares, but in guild runs you, again, *could* be pressured to give it up.

Although that's not what I've seen in game. Most people seem a lot friendly than other games where that kind of thing could cause toxic issues. I think that ZOS could always add a toggle if they decided to add a feature that shows group loot so if you don't want it to be shown it wont be. Most people I've played with want to give away the crap they don't want or need to players who do.

I had my fair share of those people who can't take "no" for a 'no' and start to be very hostile in chat. It is not about "could", but it is the way when you doing PUG runs and some people think they can become aggressive or hostile as they are protected behind an account name and we don't see or hear anything when ZoS take action. With the ability to create free account that also will make it easy to continue with type of behaviour.

//RexyCat

ShellaSunshine

Naftal wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

I don't want a group loot monitor system in game.

If I'm grinding a dungeon for a particular piece, I don't want complete strangers whispering me asking for it.

I'm already annoyed with people who use the Loot Log or other loot notifier mods asking me for a piece I got that I was actually trying to get.

If I get a set piece I don't want, I will link it in group chat, otherwise it's no one's business what I got from the bosses.

Sounds like you have some issues if you get annoyed by someone asking. Just tell them no.

That is not it at all.

If someone whispers me after they see what dropped for me, it feels like someone going through my things in my home. It's more of a privacy issue.

You wouldn't let strangers go through your things at home, so why should we allow players to see what you get in game?

Besides, if I get something I don't want, I will link it in chat.

mocap

it's ESO loot etiquette in PUGs, including random trials.
If you need some type LF in chat at the start of dungeon, before last boss etc.
If you want to share something, link in chat items you want to share.

Use damn loot spy addon within your damn static groups.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

No you cant have my false god ligthnig staff stop asking!

ProfessorKittyhawk

I absolutely LOATHE when people use that damn add on during trials. Getting whispered seconds after looting something they want if they can have it is annoying. Makes me not want to give it to them. Wait till I post it in chat that it's up for grabs.

ShellaSunshine

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

I absolutely LOATHE when people use that damn add on during trials. Getting whispered seconds after looting something they want if they can have it is annoying. Makes me not want to give it to them. Wait till I post it in chat that it's up for grabs.

Especially when they ask during a fight and half the team dies because they are whispering other players asking for loot.

MrBrownstone

It's a great addon. I can't track who wants what in a pug group. I like that people can see my drops and whisper me if they need them. Otherwise it's a mess in group chat. If I don't want to share something, I simply say that I need that item and there is no harassment at all.

Same for the items I need. I whisper to the person who dropped what I need and if they say that they're gonna keep it, it's ok. Some people don't even pay attention to group chat and might not share what they drop at all despite not needing it, which is a huge waste. So asking that person is a great thing, yes it should be a thing. There is no harassment at all, that's just people spitting nonsense, just like they do about the dps meters.

Once I dropped a Blooddrinker dagger and I didn't even know that it's a useful set. I was gonna decon it. Dude in my group seen my drop and told me that he needed it. He was never gonna get it if that addon didn't exist. He told me he did dozens of runs and still no dagger. He literally gave me 500k, despite me not asking for anything. So he's happy he got his dagger, I'm happy that I got 500k for free, why is that addon a bad thing again?