Should happy go lucky casuals have an voice on game balance?

J2JMC · August 2019

Yes

Casual players aren't the ones asking for nerfs. They actually have fun with the game.

jircris11 · August 2019

Yes

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Everyone should sadly the BAD pvpers are the loudest bunch lol

Tandor · August 2019

Yes

I've no idea what a "happy go lucky casual" is, although I suspect the term is intended as an insult those who don't play PvP or "endgame PvE" but stay committed for years while the "hardcore" players who do play PvP or "endgame PvE" quit every few months without any real show of commitment.

However, the answer to Dumb Poll #3,867 is that all playstyles should be listened to, and final decisions on balancing and other things taken on the basis of that feedback together with the developer's data logs and own sense of direction for the game.

akray21 · August 2019

Yes

Balance 101... never balance solely around top tier players.

StormeReigns · August 2019

Yes

Active players, casual or no lifers milhouse meta try hards have the same voice and value to the game they are playing. To deny anyone of that right is as useful as a torn Colostomy Bag in the summer heat at a children's picnic. As such those who choose to deny anyone a voice on such matters lost all arguments and value, and should be treated as such.

Elsonso · August 2019

Yes

J2JMC wrote: »

Casual players aren't the ones asking for nerfs. They actually have fun with the game.

I am sure that there is no shortage of truth here.

ArchMikem · August 2019

Yes

I identify as a Casual. But I still participate in end game content and PvP, and I'd find it insulting if my feedback was ignored.

Bouldercleave · August 2019

Yes

chris211 wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

nope they have do not have a intricate understanding of game mechanics and how classes work thus should not have a single say in how the game is balanced if zos actually listened to veteran pvp and pvers this game would be in a better spot

Actually if that happened this game would have shut down a long time ago. You guys want to stroke your ego? Design your own game.

Anyone that logs in has the right to have their opinion heard (maybe not acted on, but heard). Some of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard were by try hards and meta chasers.

blnchk · August 2019

If you want to know what happens to a game that glorifies self-important hardcore gamers, take a look at Wildstar. Spoiler: It's dead.

technohic · August 2019

No

No. Nor should anyone so much as it seems they do. ZOS needs to learn to have their own vision and see issues for themselves. Everyone who plays has an agenda, whether it's from their perspective of already being at the top beating down casuals wanting to keep it that way, or being the casual who thinks the guy beating him is due to some OP mechanic or hacks and it's just that making the difference. including myself.

Devs need to just make the game with an understanding of how its playing out, and players need to just play the game with understanding development will change.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

I’m a casual but does anyone see me screaming for nerfs? Because I don’t.

Starlock · August 2019

Yes

This question is meaningless without defining what is meant by “casuals” but frankly, defining it is also unecessary.

All players of this game should have a voice at the table, period. I don’t care what labels you slap on folks or how you stereotype folks... all voices should be heard.

max_only · August 2019

Now it’s just embarrassing

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2019

Yes

All players are equal, but some players are more equal than others. Four legs good! Two legs bad!

SenpaiNFT · August 2019

No

They shouldn’t even be allowed on the forums. If you are not an experienced endgame player you should have absolutely no ability to voice your opinion on game balance.

We need a restricted access forums for only the truly endgame players. Not based on play-time, make the requirement to get in something(s) that only endgame players will have accomplished. Then maybe balance in this game will go the right direction.

Zatox · August 2019

If you are hate casuals - you are support a Hilter. You dont like a ***, are you?

Diminish · August 2019

Yes

TheRealSniker wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Somebody who doesnt understand the mechanics in and out and understand how each class plays should not have an opinion on nerfs and buffs that affect these mechanics or classes.
Since theyre mostly false and people just ridicule themselves that way

99% of the forums are so uninformed and spit so much bullsh!!!! its actually hilarious to scroll through sometimes

opinion noun
opin·ion | \ ə-ˈpin-yən

1a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

Why is it such an issue that people voice their opinion about any aspect of this game? Are you afraid their opinion will differ from yours? Are you afraid it will become the vocal majority, and ZoS may react on that? Bottom line is (this goes to everyone who has answered "No"), everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. Hell, I think this game is absolute dogsh*t now days; that is my opinion. By me sharing that, do you actually believe that anything will change?

As you said about the forums, "its actually hilarious to scroll through sometimes".

DarkPicture · August 2019

No

No, just as Asmongold said "casuals shouldnt have any impact on the game balance, because they are not care about how game should looks or how it looks like right now, they dont even know and dont understand what is good what is bad in terms to balance , they just log into the game to have fun and spend a few hours thats all, so how someone who dont have any knowledge should gives a good advice?"

Being casuals doesnt mean something wrong but lets be honest people who are really play the game should decide how balance should looks like with devs ofc. For casuals people many changes will not affect their playing style, they dont feel it.

So when im reading coments above i see many people dont understand the question when u are saying "all players are equal" because question wasnt about that "hardcore players and casuals should be equal? or smth like that"

And yes many casuals even that are talking about balance thats why we are getting many times horrible changes.

e.g. CS GO has a system which allows you to judging other people gameplay if they are cheaters or not BUT u have access to it when u have only high rank other than that people with low rank dont have access because they dont know how game works. Same system should be on forum, maybe with cp atleast (like 1k+ or smth) or hours in game

bmnoble · August 2019

Yes

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” ― Plato. Plato means that wise people speak when they have facts and are willing to listen to what others have to say.

Everyone has a voice, don't mean ZOS will act on what any of us have to say.

Elsonso · August 2019

Yes

Diminish wrote: »

Why is it such an issue that people voice their opinion about any aspect of this game? Are you afraid their opinion will differ from yours? Are you afraid it will become the vocal majority, and ZoS may react on that?

Pretty much. Some people are afraid of that which they cannot control, and that includes popular opinion.

Wifeaggro13 · August 2019

No

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Why would you listen to the people who dont even play the game.

StormeReigns · August 2019

Yes

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Why would you listen to the people who dont even play the game.

Why listen to the selfish ramblings of those who don't have a life outside of the game?

Heatnix90 · August 2019

No

Just because everyone is entitled to an opinion doesn't mean said opinion should be taken seriously. If I were a game dev I would 100% be taking gameplay feedback from people who have intricate knowledge of game mechanics over people who log on just to quest and do the occasional random dungeon.

Aznarb · August 2019

jircris11 wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Everyone should sadly the BAD pvpers are the loudest bunch lol

Underrated comment.
So many PvP whiner in this forum..

The meta-kid are in the same bag, the one who understand nothing to meta but just repeat blindly the thing than their favorite youtuber/streamer said.
Each patch they're crying like all the game will die but still not doing any serious test on PTS by themselves.. So boring.

It's not about casual or elite, it's about good and bad.
Some casual are very good, casual is about play time, not gaming level experience.

Bad player shouldn't be listened, that all.

xeha_arwen11 · August 2019

jainiadral wrote: »

Guessing all the nerfs have driven the forums bonkers. Nerfs that casuals didn't ask for, btw.

THIS. The horrible things that have been added to the game were not asked for by casuals. A minority of vocal, highlighted hardcore players were moaning and complaining, thus the bad changes. It's disgusting to put the blame on casuals when they are not at fault. This thread is so elitist it's making me nauseous. Casuals get affected by the changes that are made so of course they should have a say and let the team know their experience. This is just stunning. A lot of you are acting like playing this game casually means a person is trash who should bow before you.

Heatnix90 · August 2019

No

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

jainiadral wrote: »

Guessing all the nerfs have driven the forums bonkers. Nerfs that casuals didn't ask for, btw.

THIS. The horrible things that have been added to the game were not asked for by casuals. A minority of vocal, highlighted hardcore players were moaning and complaining, thus the bad changes. It's disgusting to put the blame on casuals when they are not at fault. This thread is so elitist it's making me nauseous. Casuals get affected by the changes that are made so of course they should have a say and let the team know their experience. This is just stunning. A lot of you are acting like playing this game casually means a person is trash who should bow before you.

LMAO you actually think that dedicated, hardcore players asked for cast times on ults and vigor nerfs? That was one hundred percent a casual thing, devs even said so. They didn't want newbies getting instagibbed by people who put time and effort into learning their classes/skills.

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2019

Yes

Heatnix90 wrote: »

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

jainiadral wrote: »

Guessing all the nerfs have driven the forums bonkers. Nerfs that casuals didn't ask for, btw.

THIS. The horrible things that have been added to the game were not asked for by casuals. A minority of vocal, highlighted hardcore players were moaning and complaining, thus the bad changes. It's disgusting to put the blame on casuals when they are not at fault. This thread is so elitist it's making me nauseous. Casuals get affected by the changes that are made so of course they should have a say and let the team know their experience. This is just stunning. A lot of you are acting like playing this game casually means a person is trash who should bow before you.

LMAO you actually think that dedicated, hardcore players asked for cast times on ults and vigor nerfs? That was one hundred percent a casual thing, devs even said so. They didn't want newbies getting instagibbed by people who put time and effort into learning their classes/skills.

Maybe if the elitist folk kept to killing each other instead of harassing newbies...

Marcus684 · August 2019

No player should have a say in “game balance”. Too many players have an agenda to buff their favorite class at the expense of others, irrespective if they are a “casual” or not. How about we all just let ZOS make the game and then decide if we want to play it or not.

MLGProPlayer · August 2019

No

Of course not. There is a reason why e-sports titles (shooters/MOBAs) are strictly balanced around top ELO play/tournaments. Only the top players know how to use skills/characters to their full potential, and you should only be balancing something around its full potential.

I'll use Overwatch as an example. Bastion and Torbjorn are considered junk tier in high ELO play, yet they are widely considered "OP" among low ELO players (since they don't know how to counter them; it's strictly a L2P issue). Blizzard of course doesn't listen to the daily threads asking for nerfs to these characters because they aren't actually OP.

I've never been a top player in any game I play. But I always gladly defer to the wisdom of the top players.

Having said that, ZOS hasn't really balanced around casual complaints. They haven't really balanced around anyone's complaints or suggestions (largely ignoring feedback from the top players as well).

karekiz · August 2019

Yes

Browart wrote: »

No, just as Asmongold said

Asmongold also said ESO has *** tier combat and he not a fan of the idea of LA weaving and Animation canceling. So according that honestly we should remove those things Asmon found annoying.

He also mentioned that Classic WoW is a much better game because it can be played skill wise by just about everyone regardless of Casual/Hardcore. It isn't a hard game, and doesn't have complex rotations, which makes it a better game overall. Which...I agree.