Should happy go lucky casuals have an voice on game balance?

Hashtag_

Question is in the title

Major_Lag

No

Players who haven't experienced all the skills and classes the game has to offer shouldn't be asking for nerfs/buffs in the first place.

For example, it's ludicrous to hear "CC is OP, pls nerf" from someone who doesn't even know that break free is a thing.
Or in general, from people who have no idea how the game works at a sufficiently high skill level.

Kiralyn2000

...seriously?

BohnT2

No

People should be required to link their in-game @name to their account along with the Platform they're playing on aswell as an automatic system that shows all characters, their playtime and achievements along with a link to Eso logs.

TheRealSniker

No

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

Somebody who doesnt understand the mechanics in and out and understand how each class plays should not have an opinion on nerfs and buffs that affect these mechanics or classes.
Since theyre mostly false and people just ridicule themselves that way

99% of the forums are so uninformed and spit so much bullsh!!!! its actually hilarious to scroll through sometimes

Kagukan

Yes

From what I have seen on these forums "casuals" typically have the most intellectual opinions.

VaranisArano

Game balance has more to do with the type of content. Every class and pretty much every build can do casual content like overland questing and normal dungeons just fine.

The end-game content like vet dungeons, trials, and PVP can be done by casuals who've put in enough time and effort, but an actual look at "balance" is better obtained from looking at a mixture of progression groups, capable players, and the top-tier groups.

Generally speaking, most casual players don't have a very wide perspective of multiple classes and multiple types of content that's important when balancing an entire game.

So sure, casuals can have an opinion. It just way not be the most well-rounded or useful opinion when it comes to balancing all the content and classes in ESO.

x48rph

God, what's with all the dumb polls

redspecter23

Everyone should have a say, but in terms that apply to them and their area of interest and skill level. Something can be perfectly balanced in high level elite play but be a complete disaster for more casual gamers. Cloak might fall into this category. A top tier player will have the tools and playskill to keep it balanced. A newer player will get very frustrated fighting against a cloaking opponent. Ideally a balance can be struck that doesn't destroy the playstyle for top tier but also opens up options for players still learning. The casual players definitely should voice their opinions on how something negatively affects them as it's important to see it from all sides. This assumes that all sides are willing to discuss things rationally and logically. Simply stating "ARRGH!! CLOAK IS TH EMOST BORKEN SKILL EVAR> NERFF IMMEDIATELY!!!!" will likely just start a flame war. Stating your point of view with examples of how things might be improved while also recognizing other playstyles would be much more productive.

Sanguinor2

Last I checked everyone is free to have an opinion on whatever they want.

MishMash

No

I voted no. Only because of casual players not putting in the time that hardcore players put in. We have adapted through and found new ways or the as intended ways to mitigate. I use to get my hiney kicked out there in PvP (still do) but with the time and effort I put in, I am doing a bit better. Don't cry for nerfs -- go out and try harder!

Ingenon

Yes

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Last I checked everyone is free to have an opinion on whatever they want.

^
This

AcadianPaladin

Yes

Absolutely! Casuals are more focused on FUN so their voice is critical. Remember fun?

kargen27

MishMash wrote: »

I voted no. Only because of casual players not putting in the time that hardcore players put in. We have adapted through and found new ways or the as intended ways to mitigate. I use to get my hiney kicked out there in PvP (still do) but with the time and effort I put in, I am doing a bit better. Don't cry for nerfs -- go out and try harder!

Common misconception there. You are assuming that a casual player doesn't put in the time that hardcore players put into the game.I know a lot of players (full guilds of them) that have no interest at all in vet content yet manage to log hours and hours into the game. Changes affect them as much as they do the hardcore players so of course they should have the same voice.

Tai-Chi

Yes

Everyone, who plays the game, can have an opinion on game balance and they have an intrinsic right to express those opinions within this forum.

Whether those opinions should be adopted by the Devs. and other forum goers is a different matter.

If the suggestions put forward are sound and adopted by others, does it matter where they came from?

cyclonus11

Yes

Most players are casual, so yes.

Ackwalan

Is their money different then "try hards"?

mattaeus01b16_ESO

Yes... No
No... Yes
Yes... Maybe
Maybe... No...
Fuhh-kin-hel why

Are we talking balance for the CP level 900 that cant break 5k in a normal dungeon that have been plating since beta?

Elsonso

Yes

"Happy go lucky casuals" should not have a say in game balance
"Nerf seekers" should be banned.

What is in the water today? All that is missing is a poll about banning people who would suggest the above.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Yes

Why not? I'm sure they're the majority of the player base.

jainiadral

Yes

Guessing all the nerfs have driven the forums bonkers. Nerfs that casuals didn't ask for, btw.

DocFrost72

Yes

Everyone should have a voice. Just because you've been heard doesn't make you right though.

SydneyGrey

Yes

There are people who might have been playing this game every day for three years, and you might still call them a "casual" just because they don't play as competitively as you do. They aren't any less important than you are.

chris211

No

Hashtag_ wrote: »

Question is in the title

nope they have do not have a intricate understanding of game mechanics and how classes work thus should not have a single say in how the game is balanced if zos actually listened to veteran pvp and pvers this game would be in a better spot

ghastley

Yes

Only gankers need to be silenced. After all, it's part of their play-style.

Odovacar

Who says any of us have a voice that's truly heard? Paying customers regardless of their play time or greatness have a say just like us grumpy vets.

jainiadral

Yes

The question's moot anyway, since ZOS usually doesn't listen to any of us.

Keledus

No

Where is the option for both?

In some way.. they do but also dont.

Players should always have a say in what they want to see on a game, gameplay wise.
However one shouldn't ask for balance changes if they have zero to little experience with and the majority of casual players just aren't that big into (class/ability balancing, etc.)

AcadianPaladin

Yes

kargen27 wrote: »

MishMash wrote: »

I voted no. Only because of casual players not putting in the time that hardcore players put in. We have adapted through and found new ways or the as intended ways to mitigate. I use to get my hiney kicked out there in PvP (still do) but with the time and effort I put in, I am doing a bit better. Don't cry for nerfs -- go out and try harder!

Common misconception there. You are assuming that a casual player doesn't put in the time that hardcore players put into the game.I know a lot of players (full guilds of them) that have no interest at all in vet content yet manage to log hours and hours into the game. Changes affect them as much as they do the hardcore players so of course they should have the same voice.

^This. I'm a proud casual. That my elf is CP1200 and has logged over 6,500 hours in ESO does not change the fact that she happily ignores PvP, DLC dungeons and trials.

Saucy_Jack

Yes

I think they should have a voice, for one simple reason: the grand majority of the players ARE happy-go-lucky casuals.

I realize the inherent dangers of allowing people a voice who are largely ignorant about most of the issues; we see them borne out every election cycle. BUT the problem with restricting balancing discussions only to the players who play in the top tier of their classes is that then things get balanced *around people playing at the top tier of their classes*. If you're balancing things with the assumption that everyone can animation cancel, LA-weave, and has their full rotation down to muscle memory, then the game will become inherently UNbalanced for people for whom those criteria are not true.

In essence: If you balance to top-tier players, the game becomes unbalanced for casuals. If you balance for casuals, the game will be unbalanced for top-tier players. BUT, casuals make up the crux for the playerbase, and ZOS knows what side its bread is buttered on. It therefore makes no sense to ignore casuals in discussions about balance.

Tan9oSuccka

x48rph wrote: »

God, what's with all the dumb polls

Pretty much, yeah. This guy is mad about something. Passive aggressive with a dumb poll.

It takes all kinds. I guess.