Best stamina set: fury
Best mag set: bsw

If you’re not doing those then you’re joining the Meta for bg’s:
1 defensive set + 1 set that kills for you

Melee magblade: Caluurion, Zaan, BTB, Breton, Steed mundus, all Swift, all magicka cost reduction, dual-regen drink (mag + stam), all prismatic enchants. Squishy af and not all that powerful, but high speed and no sustain issues makes for the most fun I've had on this character. Stamina - dodge roll - sustain on a magicka character is bliss and beats being tankier or having more magicka (better shields) in outnumbered situations. Not the best dueller, but effective in open world. I play mostly in CP. For no CP I am undecided between BTB and Shacklebreaker.

fred4 wrote: »

As a more general note: Many sets are interchangeable. Amber Plasm and Shacklebreaker. Julianos, Overwhelming Surge, Spell Strategist, Spinner. BTB, Alfiq, Necropotence. Buffer of the Swift, Fortified Brass, Armor Master, Wizard's Riposte, Pariah, Impregnable. All things being equal, you won't feel much of a difference between the sets in each category. That said, if you are vampire you might like Pariah. If you are a vampire templar, you might like Cyrodiil's Light. If you like dodge rolls, you might like Well-Fitted Impregnable, and so on.

Is there any reason behind a BTB ring costing 10 times the price of Afliq?
They are very much alike and i dont see why recovery is increasing the value THAT much. Could get recovery in other ways while also having more magicka from alfiq

Afliq adds 5.848 Magicka.
BTB 4.192 magicka and 279 magicka recovery

fred4 wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427111/stat-based-armor-set-rankings

BTB has a 5-piece effectiveness factor of 3. Alfiq only 2.33. BTB is objectively the better set, if you are building with a drink and are looking for some more magicka regen, which a lot of people do.

The top sets are only marginally better than others, but they fetch 10x the price, because they are the only sets that min-maxers will go for, as well as every noob reading a web-site or watching a YouTube video.

My own build is pretty extreme. Full Swift and Steed mundus for the speed, all cost reduction for out-of-combat cloak sustain, 2 proc sets with no regen, a heavy emphasis on casting Cloak and Race Against Time constantly. In my case only BTB fits the bill. I tried a bunch of other stuff. I used Deep Thoughts. BTB and Fisheye Rye allowed me to get rid of Deep Thoughts, opening up a spot on my back bar.

It depends on your playstyle. If you are, for the sake of the argument, a shield-stacking pet sorc with a vMA front bar, you're better off with Alfiq (on the back bar, where the shields are) + Necropotence. You don't need sustain, since you made lightning heavies one of your primary attacks, and you want the maximum magicka for your shields. Such a build would probably also use Double Bloody Mara or tri-stat food. Such foods are more stat-efficient than drinks, e.g. Witchmother's. They objectively give you more stats. However, if you prefer building for mag-sustain, as many people do, and you feel you have enough stamina from using tri-stat glyphs and, perhaps, Triune jewelry (also very stat-efficient), then BTB is a good set.

Im not sure i fully understand what you are pointing out on that link and numbers.
Alfiq is a set with a flat constant resource of magicka. How can this not be a consistant value for all or most things you do, compared to BTB, where the recovery is only good if you dont have enough magicka?

festher wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427111/stat-based-armor-set-rankings

BTB has a 5-piece effectiveness factor of 3. Alfiq only 2.33. BTB is objectively the better set, if you are building with a drink and are looking for some more magicka regen, which a lot of people do.

The top sets are only marginally better than others, but they fetch 10x the price, because they are the only sets that min-maxers will go for, as well as every noob reading a web-site or watching a YouTube video.

My own build is pretty extreme. Full Swift and Steed mundus for the speed, all cost reduction for out-of-combat cloak sustain, 2 proc sets with no regen, a heavy emphasis on casting Cloak and Race Against Time constantly. In my case only BTB fits the bill. I tried a bunch of other stuff. I used Deep Thoughts. BTB and Fisheye Rye allowed me to get rid of Deep Thoughts, opening up a spot on my back bar.

It depends on your playstyle. If you are, for the sake of the argument, a shield-stacking pet sorc with a vMA front bar, you're better off with Alfiq (on the back bar, where the shields are) + Necropotence. You don't need sustain, since you made lightning heavies one of your primary attacks, and you want the maximum magicka for your shields. Such a build would probably also use Double Bloody Mara or tri-stat food. Such foods are more stat-efficient than drinks, e.g. Witchmother's. They objectively give you more stats. However, if you prefer building for mag-sustain, as many people do, and you feel you have enough stamina from using tri-stat glyphs and, perhaps, Triune jewelry (also very stat-efficient), then BTB is a good set.

Im not sure i fully understand what you are pointing out on that link and numbers.
Alfiq is a set with a flat constant resource of magicka. How can this not be a consistant value for all or most things you do, compared to BTB, where the recovery is only good if you dont have enough magicka?

Are you telling me you run base magicka recovery, something like 600? Are you happy with the maybe 1K magicka recovery you end up with from just Witchmother's alone? Then that's fine. However, as soon as you put a magicka recovery enchant on a piece of jewelry or you get it from a set-piece bonus, you have to consider whether that is the most efficient source of that stat.

Let's take an easier example. Supposing you have a build with all magicka enchants on gear, but your health isn't quite where you want it to be, so you put 60 points into magicka and 4 points into health in your attributes. That is an inefficient build, because there are tri-stat enchants and Triune jewelry traits. Instead of putting 4 points into health, you should put all into magicka and change a few of your gear enchants from magicka to tri-stat (Hakeijo) enchants. Those enchants give you 50% health, magicka AND stamina, compared to a normal enchants. Use a few of those and you end up with exactly the same health and magicka as before, but you have gained FREE stamina, which also happens to be useful in PvP.

Bright Throat's gives you more stats than Alfiq. You want to run the latter? That's fine, but as soon as you put even just 1x magicka recovery enchant on your jewelry and you use drinks, you should consider Bright Throat's instead. Bright Throat's allows you to replace the magicka recovery enchant with a Spell Damage enchant, which will make up for the magicka shortfall in terms of attacking and healing power and you will have better magicka recovery. There is a reason you might not do that, which is building for max magicka for bigger shields, but other than that your overall stats will be better with Bright Throat's.

Sergykid wrote: »

you always use the recovery. From the first drain of magicka. For the whole fight you will use magicka to fight, recovery will be up 100% of the time, just like the max magicka. Crafty Alfiq is better if you have no sustain problems or you run a ganker or a glass cannon. Bright-Throat Boast is better for a brawler or a healer.

I’d say a big WAS better. Any build running a drink instead of food is at a disadvantage.

I’d say Longfin pasty whatever is the baseline, if you go BTB and spring loaded or witchmother’s you’re at a disadvantage for max stats.

The way they’ve budgeted all the sets/drinks/foods makes all the sets that give magicka and stam amazing in pvp. I’d take advantage.

Yeah on the one im using (necro/crafty) btb is def better if i am using drinks. On that build tho i run trifood and 3 wellfitted. I found with 12k stamina i cant dodge and block enough to cc break.

I used to use bright throat a lot, but stopped after they nerfed drinks. In the witches festival they’re releasing a good drink again so I’ll probably go back to bright throat.

Syiccal wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I used to use bright throat a lot, but stopped after they nerfed drinks. In the witches festival they’re releasing a good drink again so I’ll probably go back to bright throat.

What are you using instead, I'm using desert rose at the min, procs alot giving very good resource return

Transmutation. It’s not ideal for offensive stats, but the 5 piece crit resists is good. With longfin food I end up with a lot more health and stamina then using witchmother’s.

Someone mentioned the witches festival drink with good stats was mislabeled and it’s actually a food. If that’s true I’ll probably use the new food, and BTB will be even more behind because of the drink limitation.

RebornRequiem wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Best stamina set: fury
Best mag set: bsw

If you’re not doing those then you’re joining the Meta for bg’s:
1 defensive set + 1 set that kills for you

burning spellweave? The set is not really used much in PvP. I think bright-throat boast is the better choice there.

lol yeah bsw is essentially a required set. I have been attempting to replace it for years. literally multiple years of testing and jerking around and when it comes down to it when i wanna kill i slot bsw

Crafty alfiq + Swift + BS on anything mag except Sorc is so good.
On a Sorc you need a whole lot more sustain so I play with bright throats instead of swift.

Grandma wrote: »

festher wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

As a more general note: Many sets are interchangeable. Amber Plasm and Shacklebreaker. Julianos, Overwhelming Surge, Spell Strategist, Spinner. BTB, Alfiq, Necropotence. Buffer of the Swift, Fortified Brass, Armor Master, Wizard's Riposte, Pariah, Impregnable. All things being equal, you won't feel much of a difference between the sets in each category. That said, if you are vampire you might like Pariah. If you are a vampire templar, you might like Cyrodiil's Light. If you like dodge rolls, you might like Well-Fitted Impregnable, and so on.

Is there any reason behind a BTB ring costing 10 times the price of Afliq?
They are very much alike and i dont see why recovery is increasing the value THAT much. Could get recovery in other ways while also having more magicka from alfiq

Afliq adds 5.848 Magicka.
BTB 4.192 magicka and 279 magicka recovery

alfiq drops from daily delves and dragons and dragon hunts and is very common. BTB rings only drop from blackrose prison or very rarely dailies.

You can sometimes get them from chests/thieves troves in Murkmire. But, again, as you're implying it is still relatively rare to get them.