Unacceptable frame rates and GPU usage.

raglau · April 2014

Interestingly your CPU usage is quite a bit higher than mine but they look fairly similar in spec\speed. Perhaps because of the add-ons?

What add-ons are you using?

squicker wrote: »

Thanks for posting, will look at that later, got to rush to the airport!

Quick question though, PvE or PvP?

Jfairclough wrote: »

Here is a video of the problem good sirs. youtu.be/XU0RP8cvvi4

Jade1986 · April 2014

Ok, people MMOs are CPU intensive, not graphics card intensive. If you are having a frame rate issue it is most likely because your CPU is not up to par. MMOs CPU > GPU , single player games and shooters GPU > CPU

raglau · April 2014

Pls read and digest the thread: We're not having issues as such (I get 100FPS indoors and 70 out) we're just perplexed as to why the system is not doing any hard work. Theoretically as there are no detectable bottlenecks (I have investigated in much detail) more work should be done.

There is one constraint, which is that the game is not particularly well multi-threaded, and this will mean no CPU is being used particularly well in this game. Out of 32 threads only 2 do any heavy lifting, this causes one core to top out before any others. It's like the game was optimised for dual core not quad.

We are mostly running the top of the line kit.

laced wrote: »

Ok, people MMOs are CPU intensive, not graphics card intensive. If you are having a frame rate issue it is most likely because your CPU is not up to par. MMOs CPU > GPU , single player games and shooters GPU > CPU

Maestro_Sartori · April 2014

I'm running a gtx 760 sc, and am getting a steady and stable 60 fps. It dips to 58 once in awhile in the cities. Full max setting vsync is on.

Am also running this:

http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

raglau · April 2014

Here we are, the game IS capped at 100FPS, as I suspected. http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/21ujqa/fix_remove_100fps_cap/

I am going to remove this cap, which should allow more work to be done as I have a 120Hz monitor.

Jade1986 · April 2014

squicker wrote: »

Pls read and digest the thread: We're not having issues as such (I get 100FPS indoors and 70 out) we're just perplexed as to why the system is not doing any hard work. Theoretically as there are no detectable bottlenecks (I have investigated in much detail) more work should be done.

There is one constraint, which is that the game is not particularly well multi-threaded, and this will mean no CPU is being used particularly well in this game. Out of 32 threads only 2 do any heavy lifting, this causes one core to top out before any others. It's like the game was optimised for dual core not quad.

We are mostly running the top of the line kit.

laced wrote: »

Ok, people MMOs are CPU intensive, not graphics card intensive. If you are having a frame rate issue it is most likely because your CPU is not up to par. MMOs CPU > GPU , single player games and shooters GPU > CPU

BAH Still getting used to this forum and didn't see there were 4 pages -_-. Yeah seems since this game was released in 2014 it should be optimized for quad cores.

Granite · April 2014

Yes understand that ppl are posting about cpu usage but for those who are worrying about gpu.

As mentioned MMOs tend to be really cpu heavy and not gpu. I have 4770k and 660ti oc and Im getting 40+ fps what is great for mmo. Masses of ppl just hammers your cpu down. Thats why a lot of the single player games, with online, wont allow more than 4-32 in "small maps"

This shows up when you go to small instance and your fps jumps to the max.

Also wont argue with that that the game is not optimazed very well (yet).

Oh my lord. Im actually defending zenimax. Miracles happen

WylieCoyote1511 · April 2014

Granite wrote: »

Yes understand that ppl are posting about cpu usage but for those who are worrying about gpu.

As mentioned MMOs tend to be really cpu heavy and not gpu. I have 4770k and 660ti oc and Im getting 40+ fps what is great for mmo. Masses of ppl just hammers your cpu down. Thats why a lot of the single player games, with online, wont allow more than 4-32 in "small maps"

This shows up when you go to small instance and your fps jumps to the max.

Also wont argue with that that the game is not optimazed very well (yet).

Oh my lord. Im actually defending zenimax. Miracles happen

I for know mmo's are cpu heavy.

The question I and everyone else with low fps is asking, is why is the game using a low cpu amount?

Granite · April 2014

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

Granite wrote: »

Yes understand that ppl are posting about cpu usage but for those who are worrying about gpu.

As mentioned MMOs tend to be really cpu heavy and not gpu. I have 4770k and 660ti oc and Im getting 40+ fps what is great for mmo. Masses of ppl just hammers your cpu down. Thats why a lot of the single player games, with online, wont allow more than 4-32 in "small maps"

This shows up when you go to small instance and your fps jumps to the max.

Also wont argue with that that the game is not optimazed very well (yet).

Oh my lord. Im actually defending zenimax. Miracles happen

I for know mmo's are cpu heavy.

The question I and everyone else with low fps is asking, is why is the game using a low cpu amount?

As I said my reply was for those who were discussing about gpus. Read my reply again please.

Nicor · April 2014

I just remembered that there is/ was an Nvidia process that hogged resources terribly. it was either in the nvidia experience, or the nvidia 3D program. i'll look it up. Basically that service would eat like a gig of ram when you weren't even doing anything. I want to say it was for streaming to Nvidia shield. Needless to say i uninstalled every nvidia service minus the video driver and the HD audio driver. "Nvidia streamer service" and "Nvidia network service." now, i dunno if these are the culprits but people on the page i linked are claiming it's using 135MB/s on their SSD's not to mention slowing the PC's down. Might be worth checking out if you have Nvidia experience installed. < https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/670171/geforce-experience/what-is-quot-nvidia-network-service-quot-/2/

Jfairclough · April 2014

Eats up virtually 0 ram for me, probably because i have shadowplay and streamer turned off.

Jfairclough · April 2014

something must of happened because now i get 80% usage. 90fps ultra ! ;o

Jfairclough · April 2014

and now its gone back down to 50% for some reason.. ><

Granite · April 2014

Nicor wrote: »

I just remembered that there is/ was an Nvidia process that hogged resources terribly. it was either in the nvidia experience, or the nvidia 3D program. i'll look it up. Basically that service would eat like a gig of ram when you weren't even doing anything. I want to say it was for streaming to Nvidia shield. Needless to say i uninstalled every nvidia service minus the video driver and the HD audio driver. "Nvidia streamer service" and "Nvidia network service." now, i dunno if these are the culprits but people on the page i linked are claiming it's using 135MB/s on their SSD's not to mention slowing the PC's down. Might be worth checking out if you have Nvidia experience installed. < https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/670171/geforce-experience/what-is-quot-nvidia-network-service-quot-/2/

Yes shadow play might make some fps drops tho I hardly notice any. Also you can turn the SHADOW part off from nvidia experience settings. Also if you are worried about your ssd you can even change the temp folder destination as well as the main save forlder.

Nicor · April 2014

My comment was about a specific service that nvidia uses that would chew up huge amounts of CPU usage and RAM at the same time. It wasn't for shadowplay. it was a service that ran for nvidia shield streaming. far as i know it wasn't connected to shadowplay.
"NVNetworkService.exe" --is one of the programs that would constantly write to drives and slow systems down (far as i know this cannot be disabled while nvidia experience is running)
"nvstreamsvc.exe" <--this can be disabled to reduce system usage. ( while i had it on my system it would always hold a gig of RAM hostage and use a good 25% of cpu.
I uninstalled nvidia experience a long while ago. dunno if these services have been fixed. but if you are having framerate problems i would try uninstalling and checking the difference before and after.

Nazaan · April 2014

My favourite thing about this thread is the abundance of people blaming the game when other people with near identical systems report having no issues. Some people really don't use logic.

Nicor · April 2014

Nazaan wrote: »

My favourite thing about this thread is the abundance of people blaming the game when other people with near identical systems report having no issues. Some people really don't use logic.

That's why the discussion of 3rd party software is now the topic. If the hardware isn't to blame there must be a software issue. Drivers updated, game updated, addons disabled. There must be something causing people with $1,000 video cards to only get 30 fps. My brother has a gigabyte 660, and he gets about 43-47fps running around in graht on ultra. With that it seems more people with 700 series cards are being affected. Counting my lucky stars that my card is working >.<

Nazaan · April 2014

Nicor wrote: »

Nazaan wrote: »

My favourite thing about this thread is the abundance of people blaming the game when other people with near identical systems report having no issues. Some people really don't use logic.

That's why the discussion of 3rd party software is now the topic. If the hardware isn't to blame there must be a software issue. Drivers updated, game updated, addons disabled. There must be something causing people with $1,000 video cards to only get 30 fps. My brother has a gigabyte 660, and he gets about 43-47fps running around in graht on ultra. With that it seems more people with 700 series cards are being affected. Counting my lucky stars that my card is working >.<

this is interesting to me as I have a GTX670 2gb at the moment and am upgrading the a 780ti 3gb in May. My current frame rates are very good. 45 in large Cyrodiil battles in fact (I have an I5 2500k @ 4.5ghz). 55-65 in cities, 100 in some dungeons. When I look at resource monitor and EVGA Precision I can see the CPU is hovering around 45-65% usages evenly spread across all cores (I unparked my cores for Planetside 2 if it makes any difference). The GPU however is at 80-95% load (which I consider is maxed out). This leaves me thinking I have a GPU bottleneck there so a move to a 780ti would logically see an improvement, but I read from some people that it won't and some that they see great frame rates.

Trying to give consideration to why people are seeing such a range of results I can only presume it's to do with the persons PC. Software, updates, house keeping etc. I think the game is actually quite well optimised, I'd be interested to know if there was specific tech in a 6 series that was removed in the 780's.

Junipus · April 2014

I don't know if it helps anyone at all, but I've noticed that I get a lot of FPS issues after playing for a few hours and almost all of my RAM gets used by the game as well as other processes.

I can be in one area in a city when first logging in and getting 60+ FPS but then struggle to get over 10 FPS in the same area hours later when my RAM usage has gone from about 70% up to 90%. From my POV it looks like poor coding is to blame and I suspect that if I bought another 8GB on top of what I have now, it'll still use the same percentage amount.

Of course, this doesn't mean it's what's happening to everyone else but it might help some with why they're having FPS issues on a more than capable machine.

raglau · April 2014

I detected no memory leaks in over 4 hours of PvE

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know if it helps anyone at all, but I've noticed that I get a lot of FPS issues after playing for a few hours and almost all of my RAM gets used by the game as well as other processes.

I can be in one area in a city when first logging in and getting 60+ FPS but then struggle to get over 10 FPS in the same area hours later when my RAM usage has gone from about 70% up to 90%. From my POV it looks like poor coding is to blame and I suspect that if I bought another 8GB on top of what I have now, it'll still use the same percentage amount.

Of course, this doesn't mean it's what's happening to everyone else but it might help some with why they're having FPS issues on a more than capable machine.

Nicor · April 2014

I'm running an i5-2500k @4.6ghz. a EVGA GTX680FTW, and 8 gigs of 1600DDR3. I've played a few times for around 5 hrs. I've never really had any issues with RAM. seems to play just fine.(fingers crossed it doesn't mess up) Now, on that note I have had random rollbacks and dc's . If that is somehow RAM related, I have no idea.
At the current state of things if i were to upgrade my GPU i would be hesitant to go 700 series. Or for that matter AMD either. Over in the other thread AMD GPU's were also acting up and giving low framerates.
I am really interested to see what exactly people have going on in their systems that this game doesn't run right. Although with the current way that CS is going i highly doubt we will ever know the true reason. My assumption here is that one day it will magically be fixed and a reason never given.

raglau · April 2014

I have a GTX780 and have no issues at all, the card does nothing in fact, it's one CPU core that binds me.

But, I don't play PvP yet, as it crashes constantly...People seem to be having these issues in PvP, not PvE.

I ran loads of detailed perfmons over many hours or PvE and this game does not do anything bad, no memory leaks, no weirdness with the process nothing. The worst I could say is that it does not take advantage of more than two cores particularly well, but that's probably an output of how long ago they started development.

Nicor wrote: »

I'm running an i5-2500k @4.6ghz. a EVGA GTX680FTW, and 8 gigs of 1600DDR3. I've played a few times for around 5 hrs. I've never really had any issues with RAM. seems to play just fine.(fingers crossed it doesn't mess up) Now, on that note I have had random rollbacks and dc's . If that is somehow RAM related, I have no idea.
At the current state of things if i were to upgrade my GPU i would be hesitant to go 700 series. Or for that matter AMD either. Over in the other thread AMD GPU's were also acting up and giving low framerates.
I am really interested to see what exactly people have going on in their systems that this game doesn't run right. Although with the current way that CS is going i highly doubt we will ever know the true reason. My assumption here is that one day it will magically be fixed and a reason never given.

Jfairclough · April 2014

I am still having low gpu usage, there isn't much else to say other than im on win 8.1. Shadowplay is always disabled on my end, i have 0 problems in any other game. Still at that 50% usage. Ive had weird spurts where the GPU usage goes up to 70-80% and i get decent frame rates but eventually always goes back down after i change zone/loading screen.

Dracovar · April 2014

Just wondering, is there anything server side that could be happening that would limit fps? Like if the servers are overloaded or internet bottlenecks between your computer and the servers?

Saerydoth · April 2014

Dracovar wrote: »

Just wondering, is there anything server side that could be happening that would limit fps? Like if the servers are overloaded or something?

No. FPS issues are strictly client side. However, going into a very crowded area with a lot of stuff going on can cause FPS to drop. The lowest my FPS has ever dropped was 36, on full ultra, in an area with not only a lot of players but also with a lot of particle effects going on in the background. i7-4770k, 16GB DDR3-1600, EVGA 780ti ACX SC.

Dracovar · April 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

Dracovar wrote: »

Just wondering, is there anything server side that could be happening that would limit fps? Like if the servers are overloaded or something?

No. FPS issues are strictly client side. However, going into a very crowded area with a lot of stuff going on can cause FPS to drop. The lowest my FPS has ever dropped was 36, on full ultra, in an area with not only a lot of players but also with a lot of particle effects going on in the background. i7-4770k, 16GB DDR3-1600, EVGA 780ti ACX SC.

Ok, gotcha. I know next to nothing about that side of it, lol. I was wondering if maybe the server was overloaded and having trouble getting info to and from computers, and that would somehow cause the game to render less frames or something. Thanks for the explanation.

RunAway · April 2014

kapow

bennysbeastb16_ESO2 · April 2014

Jfairclough wrote: »

1: Don't have fraps, nvidia has a thing called shadowplay, i also have dedicated capture devices.. lol
2: Um, a 780 is near top of the line, only bested by Titan 780ti and TITAN Z? Thats besides the point though, everyone on a 780 is having this problem based on another thread I found.

A thing i discovered, lowering the settings makes no difference to the usage, but frame rates increase. I am emulating 1440p resolution right now though, frame rates are exactly the same but usage has gone up. Weird.

Woundering your on a 780 or 780ti.. as i have a no issues runnin this on ultra setting , with vsync turned on etc and i hold 60 fps, (turning vsync off max 100)

*my spec if helps compare*
i7 4820 @ 4.2ghz
MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) mobo
16gb ddr 1600mhz
sounbaster ZXR soundacrd
MSi TWIN Frozr 780ti (oc mode 1150mhz) (drivers 335.23 WHQL)

only thing i found to take my fps down from max, is when its raining, runnin thro busy city @ peek

Claym0r3 · April 2014

I've been in another thread for a while now. While we haven't concluded anything completely- we think it might be a GAME side CPU bottleneck. It doesn't use full use of CPU cores.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/69586/video-card-and-fps#latest

Kolur · April 2014

Be glad you got that amazing ***.
I'm playing with everything In worst possible settings,
Still having around 1-5 fps In Cyrodiil at all times since last patch.