Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework
brandonv516 wrote: »Before Scalebreaker, Swallow Soul/Funnel Health did not proc Curse Eater. I don't know about now.
Monday I'll be testing it out with some other things that worked before Scalebreaker (i.e. light attacks w/ SA, Forward Momentum).
I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework
Swallow Soul. Agreed on the other morph . Oops, I thought you were actually talking about Swallow Soul. My bad.I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework
Are you talking about funnel health or swallow soul? I use swallow soul as my main spammable as it gets the job done and is useful for the siphoning passives. The other morph, funnel health, is total *** however.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
I've just switched my build around to more of a shadow cloak based spec. Similar to my old bwb days build skill wise tbh.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
I've just switched my build around to more of a shadow cloak based spec. Similar to my old bwb days build skill wise tbh.
My absolute main reason I tend to not run ele is because it screws up my bars/rotations. I’ve always opened with cripple backbar as well.
However I can see more and more builds using siphoning strikes going forth because of the harness nerf and cost increases.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
I've just switched my build around to more of a shadow cloak based spec. Similar to my old bwb days build skill wise tbh.
My absolute main reason I tend to not run ele is because it screws up my bars/rotations. I’ve always opened with cripple backbar as well.
However I can see more and more builds using siphoning strikes going forth because of the harness nerf and cost increases.
Yeah I really want to work siphoning into my build but I don't have the room with the one I'm working on. I finally have the room for impale and I want to give it a go. I've missed alot of low hp kills lately because because out heal my spam after a burst. Try out healing the impales you *** Q(-.-Q)
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
I've just switched my build around to more of a shadow cloak based spec. Similar to my old bwb days build skill wise tbh.
My absolute main reason I tend to not run ele is because it screws up my bars/rotations. I’ve always opened with cripple backbar as well.
However I can see more and more builds using siphoning strikes going forth because of the harness nerf and cost increases.
Yeah I really want to work siphoning into my build but I don't have the room with the one I'm working on. I finally have the room for impale and I want to give it a go. I've missed alot of low hp kills lately because because out heal my spam after a burst. Try out healing the impales you *** Q(-.-Q)
Yea, impale’s great if you can find space. Especially against shield stacking sorcs who try and bait people while low health.
thankyourat wrote: »I’m thinking building a little tanky next patch may be the way to go after the nerf to damage shields. I was thinking brass/BTB/bloodspawn on a melee magblade. With healing ward and rapid regen as defensive abilities instead of damage shields. My abilities would be merciless, lotus fan, fear, concealed, shadowy disguise, soul tether and back bar would be healing ward, rapid regen, RAT, shade, siphoning attacks, soul harvest. I been trying to figure out how to get at least one of the buffed dots into this build but I can’t figure out what skills to give up.
Cripple and degeneration are a wash imo. They do comparable damage.
Use cripple if you want the Siphoning passives
Use degeneration if you want to use different pots as a source of major sorcery.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Cripple and degeneration are a wash imo. They do comparable damage.
Use cripple if you want the Siphoning passives
Use degeneration if you want to use different pots as a source of major sorcery.
Damage wise they a wash, but cripple gives the passives, the snare, and the immobilize which is dope. I think debilitate is even better than degen still because the mag steal.
I'm just a big fan of those ap pots. They so cheap and actually pretty good. Plus I'm a lizard so in a sense it's also a tripot for me.
Metemsycosis wrote: »Any nightblade healers play with Eyes of mara + dragonguard?
Metemsycosis wrote: »Any nightblade healers play with Eyes of mara + dragonguard?
Metemsycosis wrote: »Yeah a cheap resto ulti constantly buffed with brp resto and siphoning ability spam.
I havent tried shalks but i might.
Metemsycosis wrote: »Also checking out malubeth for higher uptime on major vitality, esp for a melee spec.