How are we dealing with the overnight billionaires? PC-EU

Tigerseye · August 2019

Not to mention that your mess up also may mean that the same people (as well as many others) lose some gold, if they didn't get their traders for the week.

So, how do you square that circle?

Probably the fairest thing to do, would be to only take some of the gold back - that which is over and above the amount they have predictably lost through not having a trader - and then redistribute the gold you took back to all the guild members, who now don't have a trader and so, have stuff building up in their bags, that they can't list.

I doubt they will bother, though, lol.

Arrodisia · August 2019

RexyCat wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?

I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).

Who is Kai? Do you have links to that ZoS post?

//RexyCat

I found it.

Flaminir wrote: »

Posted by Kai in a German thread...

Hello,

nobody blames the addons. It was up to the server utilization at the time of the guild dealer change.
Disabling certain add-on functions that cause many server queries is the fastest way with the fewest side effects to reduce server load. Of course it is not a permanent solution.

Another way is to put the dealer change on another time, e.g. for the morning. This is also being discussed.

If you have too much gold in the guild bank due to the bug, you do not have to do anything. Of course, it would be an advantage if you did not touch the gold to simplify tracking and possibly deleting.

Original thread herehttps://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/6289795#Comment_6289795

The translation wasn't perfect, but the devs intend to track and delete the gold.

Tigerseye · August 2019

Gariele wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

We still have no proof the numbers are that high. Only one area is the most expensive, and there are only 7 traders on it if I recall. They aren't daft. They wouldn't use the same bid for a lower tier area. It just isn't logical, especially since no one knew what the outcome would be. Even with x4 it doesn't come to a billion. Plus, many guilds lost money because of no refunds, and many had no trader at all. If anything, the guilds need to be compensated for the inconveniences and loses this caused, which wasn't their fault. Besides, it's more than likely too late for a rollback away. Plus, an event was running. Anyone doing vet maelstrom for weapons, new motifs, or even vet anything, or farming skins,...... in the game would lose everything they did. That would impact people who didn't even partake in trading. Take a guess of how players will react to that.

The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable. So, the more likely solution is a patch. So this never happens again. Well, if it's patched correctly. Keep hope alive.

Have fun in the game. Cheers all

It didn’t help some were bragging in guild chats/Discord of the absurd amount that they said they got. It really fueled the fire. That’s where this is coming from.

I think what fuelled the fire more was certain people saying they got over 1bn, but it was nothing to them, as they're so mega-rich, already.

woufff · August 2019

Are we still in in a "SNAFU" or already in a "FUBAR" state of mind?

Tigerseye · August 2019

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

RexyCat wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?

I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).

Who is Kai? Do you have links to that ZoS post?

//RexyCat

I found it.

Flaminir wrote: »

Posted by Kai in a German thread...

Hello,

nobody blames the addons. It was up to the server utilization at the time of the guild dealer change.
Disabling certain add-on functions that cause many server queries is the fastest way with the fewest side effects to reduce server load. Of course it is not a permanent solution.

Another way is to put the dealer change on another time, e.g. for the morning. This is also being discussed.

If you have too much gold in the guild bank due to the bug, you do not have to do anything. Of course, it would be an advantage if you did not touch the gold to simplify tracking and possibly deleting.

Original thread herehttps://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/6289795#Comment_6289795

The translation wasn't perfect, but the devs intend to track and delete the gold.

Interesting - so, they're "possibly" going to get the gold back, even if people have spent it (although, they would prefer it if they hadn't), by deleting the items they have bought?

Rake · August 2019

If they exploited the market just ban them. Also, everybody that helped them.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Interesting - so, they're "possibly" going to get the gold back, even if people have spent it (although, they would prefer it if they hadn't), by deleting the items they have bought?

We told you the translation was misleading, and the word "possibly" is one of those. They said they'd delete the gold "whenever required".

Arrodisia · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

RexyCat wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?

I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).

Who is Kai? Do you have links to that ZoS post?

//RexyCat

I found it.

Flaminir wrote: »

Posted by Kai in a German thread...

Hello,

nobody blames the addons. It was up to the server utilization at the time of the guild dealer change.
Disabling certain add-on functions that cause many server queries is the fastest way with the fewest side effects to reduce server load. Of course it is not a permanent solution.

Another way is to put the dealer change on another time, e.g. for the morning. This is also being discussed.

If you have too much gold in the guild bank due to the bug, you do not have to do anything. Of course, it would be an advantage if you did not touch the gold to simplify tracking and possibly deleting.

Original thread herehttps://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/6289795#Comment_6289795

The translation wasn't perfect, but the devs intend to track and delete the gold.

Interesting - so, they're "possibly" going to get the gold back, even if people have spent it (although, they would prefer it if they hadn't), by deleting the items they have bought?

Not possibly. The translation wasn't completely correct. That is what they are going to do.

The rest is for ZOS to decide and answer. I do see a couple possibilities. Who knows? Maybe they'll ban those who spent it or delete items bought with that gold, if they don't have the gold in the bank when they want to delete it. They may even have other methods. Regardless, I'm thinking. They'll probably let us know all about it, after they fix the server swap problem which seems to be more pressing right now. We wouldn't want the problem to get worse, right?

Enjoy playing the game and best wishes

Flaminir · August 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Interesting - so, they're "possibly" going to get the gold back, even if people have spent it (although, they would prefer it if they hadn't), by deleting the items they have bought?

We told you the translation was misleading, and the word "possibly" is one of those. They said they'd delete the gold "whenever required".

That's Google translate for you!

OwnerOfSuccuby · August 2019

Do idiots do the game? Just give (-money) to that people. Simple code: people that get money are in db, they operate with npc. Get ( - sum) on account. Each people who get money from them get this sum - sum(that was buged - sum acc have).

Money with less than zero count, if it is good for them to just get money with + count, will not be problem to get money with less then zero count like bill do not you think so?

So all who get bugged money will return it by force.

If you do not do anything buged, no problem at all. If just give money - you just return it.

All operations with trade on account that people get from that people: if big money more than million was operated: check.

All accounts are buy to play. So they can not put small summs on accs.

All who get buged money get the same - bill.

If you get buged money and do not spend it - no problem.

If you do - you know that you get buged money so have to return it.

If you get -count money on account = banned on the last of a 1-2month with it. Or may be even do not need bab at all.

If it is real account , return or play with money with less than zero count. You will just return that you must not get!

If accounts with no dlc and etc - minus money count will not let bug more. If it is unplayable no more cheat on it. If it is playable just return all you stole !!!.

nafensoriel · August 2019

Mettaricana wrote: »

/snip
But they are its not liek zos hides the fact they're greedy as hell and don't care about the product unless its losing money

Do you mean basic business practices? Business is in the business of making money. Video games are not charities. Also just for sanity sake no business "doesn't care" about their product. That's a good way to NOT be in business for very much longer.

Everyone forgets what ZOS has done to further the game. They all remember what imagined slight ZOS has done to them, however. Heck ZOS has fixed thousands of bugs.. but people still cling to the select few like they were the holy grail of game design.

From ZOS's POV they are NEVER going to be seen as the good guys. Ever. This is true of every single game company past the first 10 minutes of their first release.

Nifty2g · August 2019

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

nafensoriel · August 2019

Nifty2g wrote: »

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

Logs. They'd be kinda dumb to not have them. A 30-day log on mail and guild traders would be stupidly simple to run a few scripts on.

Now if they don't have such logs... F for respect to those who have to code in that s***y hell hole of spaghetti.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2019

Nifty2g wrote: »

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

Track it down ?
It's not like this stuff is happening on a centralized megaserver where every.single.thing is logged and viewable by ZOS... all they have to do is ask the machine.

psypanda · August 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

Track it down ?
It's not like this stuff is happening on a centralized megaserver where every.single.thing is logged and viewable by ZOS... all they have to do is ask the machine.

i have a strong feeling that this is what zos loggin system looks like:

>/dev/null 2>&1

Ashtaris · August 2019

It really doesn’t bother me that some guild GM’s got back a billion gold from the errant bid returns. After all, that was ZOS’s fault from one of their many bugs. However, what remains to be seen is what those GM’s did with the money once they realized it was a obvious mistake. If they left it in their account just waiting to see what ZOS will do then they probably don’t have much to worry about. However, if they spent their fortune or moved the money around to hide it, then it’s perma-ban time.

And I agree what others have said. Pretty much everything that’s done on a server can be logged. It wouldn’t take that much to run a script to seek out those who received the windfall and what they did with it.

ATomiX69 · August 2019

Permaban people who intentionally / maliciously exploited the bug (basicly bid multiple times on a trader with the same account), even if the money is already gone from their mains they are still gonna get punished by doing so.
Can you remember what happened to the people who exploited vAS+2 which was way less gamebreaking / affecting people than this, yeah they got permabanned and still are.
Or rollback ofc, but wont happen, should have had happened the same night / monday morning already.
An official statement on what happened would be nice so most people know what happened, because right now they are acting like the chinese government when you mention "tiananmen square 1989".

Nifty2g · August 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

Track it down ?
It's not like this stuff is happening on a centralized megaserver where every.single.thing is logged and viewable by ZOS... all they have to do is ask the machine.

Mail it off, split it send it around keep it in storage. There is a lot you can do to keep that gold.

Kuratius · August 2019

The Nouveau Riche doesn't belong.

KingMagaw · August 2019

That gold is never coming back to ZOS. Many dispersed it when this happened in case of such actions.

Spent on motifs, houses, sold, bought crowns, sold for real money etc.

ZOS should of rolled back, it is that simple. Now the game has massive influx of gold and inflation starts.

ZOS permaban?. This is very rare, remember people using Cheat Engine, 3rd party software to cheat in ESO, most were not perma banned and let back into the game.

Dont_do_drugs · August 2019

Nifty2g wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

How can they deal with it when the people smart enough to get that kind of money can just mail it off somewhere for storage

What exactly do you expect zos to do?

Track it down ?
It's not like this stuff is happening on a centralized megaserver where every.single.thing is logged and viewable by ZOS... all they have to do is ask the machine.

Mail it off, split it send it around keep it in storage. There is a lot you can do to keep that gold.

basically you're giving tipps to exploit here?

I_killed_Vivec · August 2019

There have been incidents in the past where ZoS have come down hard on those who "benefitted" from bugs (there was one involving the banking assistant).

The view they took was that anyone who gained from the bug knew that they shouldn't have, and so were taking an active part in the exploit. Basically they might be to blame for the problem, but anyone who takes advantage of it is guilty.

This seems like a whole nother level of exploit, I'm surprised they haven't come down hard on the exploiters...

ATomiX69 · August 2019

little update in the 5.1.7 patch notes, looks good, lets hope its not just empty promises:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490765/pc-mac-patch-notes-v5-1-7#latest

pdblake · August 2019

It's here in the patch notes https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490765/pc-mac-patch-notes-v5-1-7#latest

"For any guilds that received extra gold from the multi-bidding issue, we have removed all the extra gold from the guild banks. In cases where we needed to remove more gold than the guild had in their bank, we reduced the guild bank down to zero gold. Any guilds whose bank balance is zero as a result of this will also have their guild trader bids canceled this week, and the gold from those bids removed.

We are also investigating a small number of guilds and individuals who severely abused the above issue and spent, moved, or otherwise laundered a large sum of duped gold and will be taking appropriate action on those accounts."

Doesn't say anything about those who lost gold though.

nafensoriel · August 2019

To people who think "mailing" an item magically launders it...

Logs.

Mailing an item would be a highly likely trackable source since mails are also a point of failure that support would have to deal with regularly.

To those who think "trading" to other accounts isn't trackable.. it is. Database queries don't have to be simple and most exploiters are too stupid to mitigate what you can do with a simple script.

Honestly when crap like this happens report it. I know of one player who accidentally dupped a really high-level item in another MMO when they were screwing around with an addon they were making. Reported it. Got to keep the item as a reward.