Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

Akinos · July 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Temp https://imgur.com/a/aLsv0Bz

that fully buffed or on your own self buffs?

technohic · July 2019

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

No_Division · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

technohic · July 2019

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

Its ironic they are nerfing heavy sets that give damage but not lighter sets that give more total resistance than heavy. End of the day, the same people will still complain even if they eventually turn and nerf that.

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

Metemsycosis wrote: »

@EtTuBrutus

Nice stats. Id hate to get trapped in a tower against you.
Wyd for mobility?

Race against time

Aren't you a mag nb main on ps4?

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

Akinos wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Temp https://imgur.com/a/aLsv0Bz

that fully buffed or on your own self buffs?

Fully self buffed and breech on the target

No_Division · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

Its ironic they are nerfing heavy sets that give damage but not lighter sets that give more total resistance than heavy. End of the day, the same people will still complain even if they eventually turn and nerf that.

I don't think so. The sets that are left are either heavy armor sets (pariah, steadfast ) or crafted (brass,).

Swift is not bad but also not as substantial due to Vulnerability. I've died more in Swift than protective.

Methariorn · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Have you compared brass vs buffer of the swift for damage mitigation?

technohic · July 2019

Methariorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Have you compared brass vs buffer of the swift for damage mitigation?

I have not but as Minno mentioned, vulnerabilities chew up those percent based resists. At the same time though; if the 2h ultimate goes through, resists wont help and will give someone ridiculous penetration levels for 8 seconds. I might check it out as I can afford to lose some armor and health for a little mag and more rounded on resists both ways.

coletas · July 2019

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

I liked to play with

technohic wrote: »

Methariorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Have you compared brass vs buffer of the swift for damage mitigation?

I have not but as Minno mentioned, vulnerabilities chew up those percent based resists. At the same time though; if the 2h ultimate goes through, resists wont help and will give someone ridiculous penetration levels for 8 seconds. I might check it out as I can afford to lose some armor and health for a little mag and more rounded on resists both ways.

Thats why steadfast is great xddd you purge, put a total dark on him, a Frost touch with a crescent sweep and "say hello first Next time" XD

coletas · July 2019

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

Its ironic they are nerfing heavy sets that give damage but not lighter sets that give more total resistance than heavy. End of the day, the same people will still complain even if they eventually turn and nerf that.

I don't think so. The sets that are left are either heavy armor sets (pariah, steadfast ) or crafted (brass,).

Swift is not bad but also not as substantial due to Vulnerability. I've died more in Swift than protective.

I have pariah and steadfast with jewelry and rest un light. I even have a build (magicka tank of course) with steadfast+forti+bloodspawn. You kill no serious player with It anyway, but is good for making Friends xdddd

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

I dont understand the full defense, cant kill anyone builds. Why?

SneaK · July 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I dont understand the full defense, cant kill anyone builds. Why?

Right there with you. I’m in BTB/Spinners and Pirate Skeleton and have great survivability. 2-3 defensive sets just isn’t needed.

No_Division · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

No_Division wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Yup the resists are the best defenses left in the game. Only thing keeping the insane DMG at Bay.

Its ironic they are nerfing heavy sets that give damage but not lighter sets that give more total resistance than heavy. End of the day, the same people will still complain even if they eventually turn and nerf that.

I don't think so. The sets that are left are either heavy armor sets (pariah, steadfast ) or crafted (brass,).

Swift is not bad but also not as substantial due to Vulnerability. I've died more in Swift than protective.

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

I dont understand the full defense, cant kill anyone builds. Why?

you only need one defense set unless they provide an additional benefit (like bloodspawn/trans or cyro light). Pure high stats are currently meta, but at some point that will just result in a game where everyone is the same lol.

technohic wrote: »

Methariorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Have you compared brass vs buffer of the swift for damage mitigation?

I have not but as Minno mentioned, vulnerabilities chew up those percent based resists. At the same time though; if the 2h ultimate goes through, resists wont help and will give someone ridiculous penetration levels for 8 seconds. I might check it out as I can afford to lose some armor and health for a little mag and more rounded on resists both ways.

I think you can still dodge the ultimate. I dont rememeber if its got a cast time now, which if it does, means you can speed clip through similar to how you force cancel wreckling blows.

No_Division · July 2019

Methariorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

As someone suggested, I am running light with Fortified brass on my nord. Before bloodspawn, I am around 33k resists on front bar. Ice staff I am pretty much at the 35k when in the rune. Im debating going with an offensive monster set but I do like the fact that a lot of people are within 10k pen and I cover most of it. Got closer to 9k effective spell power with over 11k pen and my crit rate higher. Its not 11k+ but it does hurt.

Have you compared brass vs buffer of the swift for damage mitigation?

Yea just did the numbers in CP with basic stats that are now seen (1.9 CHD, 10k penetration, minor vulnerability):
Buffer of Swift (19662 with 10k pen):

CRIT(1.415 MOD):
15000 *(1-(0)/100)*(1.5+(10/100)+(20/100)+(10/100)-(3300/68/100)) * (1+(8-10)/100) = 21225 * 0.98 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
21220 * (0.78)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.8536) = 4,599.

NO CRIT:
15000 *(1-(0)/100) * (1+(8-10)/100) = 15000 * 0.98 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
15000 * (0.98)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.8536) = 4,167.

About 72.22% total Mit.

CRIT AND ONLY SET BONUSES(1.415 MOD):

15000 *(1-(0)/100)*(1.5+(10/100)+(20/100)+(10/100)-(3300/68/100)) * (1+(8-10)/100) = 21225 * 0.98 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
21220 * (0.98)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.9549) = 6,597.

About 68.91% total Mit.

Fortified Brass: (24,832 with 10k pen):

CRIT(1.415 MOD):
15000 *(1-(0)/100)*(1.5+(10/100)+(20/100)+(10/100)-(3300/68/100)) * (1+(8-0)/100) = 21220 * 1.08 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
21220 * (1.08)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.7752) = 5,900.

NO CRIT:
15000 *(1-(0)/100) * (1+(8-10)/100) = 15000 * 0.88 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
15000 * (0.78)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.7752) = 4,171.

About 72.19% total Mit.

CRIT AND ONLY SET BONUSES(1.415 MOD) (no penetration):

15000 *(1-(0)/100)*(1.5+(10/100)+(20/100)+(10/100)-(3300/68/100)) * (1+(8-0)/100) = 21220 * 1.08 (SPILLOVER FROM VUL/MIT)
21220 * (1.08)*(.73)*(.91)*(0.50)*(0.8765) = 6,671.

About 68.56% total Mit.

So it looks like swift edges out over brass. BUT if you are vampire against a DK, then all your mitigation is going to be more complex, but swift will be the first set to loose its 5pc due to priority of subtraction.

Too Long Didnt Math:
- Swift = About 72.22% total Mit full equation and About 68.91% total Mit based on the set's defensive stats.
- Brass = About 72.19% total Mit full equation and About 68.56% total Mit based on the set's defensive stats without penetration. You will have 0% mitigation if your target has 10k pen however; but resistance stats CANNOT be looked at on a per set/stat basis. You have to tally the full equation; luckily the build editor does this for you

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

My builds current effective spell dmg is 12.3k

Remember to craft invisibility potions XD

What?

coletas · July 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

My builds current effective spell dmg is 12.3k

Remember to craft invisibility potions XD

What?

Just joking assuming you was a real cannon glass

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

My builds current effective spell dmg is 12.3k

Remember to craft invisibility potions XD

What?

Just joking assuming you was a real cannon glass

Oh gotcha. I wouldn't say that. Bur damage is just high now either way

Syiccal · July 2019

Anyone use a frost staff as main hand, more importantly frost reach for the immobilized ? I'm cnsidering testing to see if it will help land sweeps etc

coletas · July 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

Anyone use a frost staff as main hand, more importantly frost reach for the immobilized ? I'm cnsidering testing to see if it will help land sweeps etc

Lol yes. Helps a lot, with sweeps and crescent sweep. And you have lot of magicka to block and (in my case) 20k stamina for sword and shield).

One advise... Everybody i know that have tried It, never returned lol you loose some damage, but draining all stamina from that sorcer that wants to run, or that delayed pub from a zerg has no price

coletas · July 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

coletas wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

My builds current effective spell dmg is 12.3k

Remember to craft invisibility potions XD

What?

Just joking assuming you was a real cannon glass

Oh gotcha. I wouldn't say that. Bur damage is just high now either way

Use elemental drain too, is really great for sustain and penetration. 14k in a tank let you kill something (i get only 3k sd buffed on that build)

No_Division · July 2019

coletas wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

Anyone use a frost staff as main hand, more importantly frost reach for the immobilized ? I'm cnsidering testing to see if it will help land sweeps etc

Lol yes. Helps a lot, with sweeps and crescent sweep. And you have lot of magicka to block and (in my case) 20k stamina for sword and shield).

One advise... Everybody i know that have tried It, never returned lol you loose some damage, but draining all stamina from that sorcer that wants to run, or that delayed pub from a zerg has no price

immobilize poisons are good too. There are ones with 6s worth of stam cost increase lol.

The_Lex · July 2019

No_Division wrote: »

coletas wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

Anyone use a frost staff as main hand, more importantly frost reach for the immobilized ? I'm cnsidering testing to see if it will help land sweeps etc

Lol yes. Helps a lot, with sweeps and crescent sweep. And you have lot of magicka to block and (in my case) 20k stamina for sword and shield).

One advise... Everybody i know that have tried It, never returned lol you loose some damage, but draining all stamina from that sorcer that wants to run, or that delayed pub from a zerg has no price

immobilize poisons are good too. There are ones with 6s worth of stam cost increase lol.

I've had good success with those.

Metemsycosis · July 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

@EtTuBrutus

Nice stats. Id hate to get trapped in a tower against you.
Wyd for mobility?

Race against time

Aren't you a mag nb main on ps4?

Lol thought id seen you. Nb (i swap between healer, mag dd and stam dd) is my main but Templar is my second class of choice. your build looks ideal for bgs but id have trouble surviving in it OW.

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

Metemsycosis wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

@EtTuBrutus

Nice stats. Id hate to get trapped in a tower against you.
Wyd for mobility?

Race against time

Aren't you a mag nb main on ps4?

Lol thought id seen you. Nb (i swap between healer, mag dd and stam dd) is my main but Templar is my second class of choice. your build looks ideal for bgs but id have trouble surviving in it OW.

You were nearly impossible to pin down when u were mag. It made me furious lol. Great shade use.

It does great open world. Got some clips if u wanna see it in action.

Metemsycosis · July 2019

Yes please link. Always down for good content. I have been into impregnable/trans/skele OW

EtTuBrutus · July 2019

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Yes please link. Always down for good content. I have been into impregnable/trans/skele OW

Word, study/ well fitted?

Metemsycosis · July 2019

3 reinforced/3 sturdy/3 impen

Jabbs_Giggity · August 2019

So here is the basics for Templars next patch.

Aedric Spear

Puncturing Strikes got a buff to cost of ability. v5.1.0
Puncturing Strikes got a nerf to camera revert to pre-Murkmire. v5.1.1
Spear Shards got a buff to cost of ability. v5.1.0
Spear Shards got a nerf to damage by 37% - Additional nerf to Blazing Spear by 42% v5.1.0
Spear Wall (Passive) got a buff to duration 3/6 seconds. v5.1.0

Dawn's Wrath

Eclipse was reworked, but according to @Cinbri this skill is not functioning as intended on PTS (linked below). v5.1.0
Living Dark got a healing nerf by 55%. v5.1.1
Dark Flare got a damage buff by 4%. v5.1.0
Solar Barrage got a damage nerf by 33%.
Sunfire got a buff to cost of ability. v5.1.0
Sunfire got a damage buff by 17% for DoT, but got a damage nerf by 17% to initial hit. v5.1.0
Backlash got a healing nerf by 29%. v5.1.0
Cleansing Ritual got a healing buff by 95%. v5.1.0
Cleansing Ritual got a nerf to cost of ability. v5.1.0

So, altogether Templar received 7 buffs (mostly skill costs, a damage increase of 4% and 17% and healing of 95% to Ritual which is still below par being at 2s tick intervals vs 1s tick intervals) and 8 nerfs (4 nerfs were reduced by 17%-39%, 2 were above 40% reduction).

Call me crazy but I don't think Templars got much love, again. Some love, but not much.

Methariorn · August 2019

Buffer of the swift + temporal guard on s/b bar it's a 18% damage reduction 100% up even when 2H ultime or corrosive run; gotta do some test with a friend of mine if brass in any better (maybe in most situations vs potato spamming random skills yes).