Overload Heavy Attack: the new Goliath bash spam

BlackMadara · July 2019

With equal stats, Eye of the Storm + Pulsar does about 10% more damage than Power Overload heavy channel. Used build editor to compare scaling. Of course, Overload can be buffed with certain sets, but that makes a very niche build

Emma_Overload · July 2019

SodanTok wrote: »

This ulti is either bad or OP, broken or clunky to use every patch since it came to be and half of the reason is that it is some weird of overbuffed light attack/heavy attack instead of proper ability. They would save themself headache going away from that.

Yeah, this is the root of the problem, if there is one. They should just make it function as a unique attack instead of replacing light and heavy attacks. Then it would be much easier to keep it from being overpowered in niche builds.

josh.lackey_ESO · July 2019

Change Overload back to pre-Murkmire, it was better when it was a third bar.

But really, the 70% off-balance bonus is crazy. So is having OL be affected by Light and Heavy attack modifiers like CP and Elegance. Just give it good base damage and take away the ability to make a gimmicky troll build by buffing heavy attacks.

Personally, I would rather have heavy OL be changed to beam attack instead of an AoE. Maybe a beam attack with splash damage. Channeling chain lighting would be really cool.

Amira · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Hold left click to gain the highest melee DpS in PvP (averages 8k per tick every second), on the strongest ranged caster spec in PvP. I'm glad it was buffed after being worthless for years, but it also shouldn't be doing significantly more DpS than other AoE Magicka Ultimates like Meteor, Crescent Sweep, Soul Tether, etc. It would also be nice if one of the two very similar morphs was made into Physical damage for Stam Sorcs...

Not as unhealthy a crutch cloak players. Boom!

Cathexis · July 2019

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

NBrookus · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

Cathexis · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

NBrookus · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

PTS Patch notes 5.1.1 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485222/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-1)

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Overload: The Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs can no longer be interrupted.

Cathexis · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

PTS Patch notes 5.1.1 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485222/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-1)

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Overload: The Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs can no longer be interrupted.

Oh snap I'm going to drop some bumpkins. Let the bodies hit the floor. Sorc will actually have an offensive ult.

Emma_Overload · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

PTS Patch notes 5.1.1 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485222/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-1)

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Overload: The Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs can no longer be interrupted.

Oh snap I'm going to drop some bumpkins. Let the bodies hit the floor. Sorc will actually have an offensive ult.

Yeah, this is the real reason these nerf threads are popping up. The haters don't want Sorcs to have a useful ultimate. It's still nowhere near as good as a Magicka Dawnbreaker, though.

frozywozy · July 2019

The issue with this skill is not only the damage but the range of it. It allows to burst people down much easier than Proximity Detonation can because of the large cone area in front of the caster (6 x 15 for Overload VS 8 for Healing Springs).

People are forced to spread out of Healing Springs range or to take the damage.
It's kinda funny to read all those posts claiming how vulnerable a sorc is when doing Heavy Overload in melee range. Let's go over every step an overload sorc has to do while hiding behind his faction.

1) Hide and wait for an organized group to bomb and retreat
2) Hardened Ward
3) Streak in
4) Blockade of Storm
5) Overload for 7-9k a second
6) Streak out

I haven't used the skill but I am aware of how buggy and unresponsive it can be, especially in lag. This being said, I have played a magsorc for a very long time now and I understand how easy it is to surprise a group, coming out of nowhere with streak and a quick bomb and streak back out. Especially in CP campaign, even with 800 recovery, you can easily manage to buff, streak in, bomb, streak out and recover from any engagement using 10 pugs of your faction as a meatshield.

And this is specifically what most excellent and experienced players have been doing for the past 2 months. They hide behind their faction, wait until a group trying to fight on their own goes in, kill people, then try to retreat to a safe spot dealing with alot of pressure from the remaining players. Then the overload sorcs come in as people are getting rooted / snared / stunned since their immovable potion ran out and drop people down in 2-3 seconds.

There are counters available but not the ones that people have been mentioning in this thread like "bashing". By the time you try to reach the sorc and bash, you will be dead. The counters are lockdowns such as fossilize and negate. This being said, it is not easy to do since you got only 3 seconds before the whole raid is dead.

What I would suggest is a damage nerf of 15 to 20% and a range nerf from 6 x 15 to 5 x 12.

gepe87 · July 2019

Sorcs are adapting again and yet the nerf brigade starts working.
Lately im using overload and it can be deadly, especially on no cp because its hard to be perma dodger.

Thraben · July 2019

I would happily trade this year´s Overload for the 2014-2018 version, including its 3rd bar. Deal?

chiipso · July 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

The issue with this skill is not only the damage but the range of it. It allows to burst people down much easier than Proximity Detonation can because of the large cone area in front of the caster (6 x 15 for Overload VS 8 for Healing Springs).

People are forced to spread out of Healing Springs range or to take the damage.
It's kinda funny to read all those posts claiming how vulnerable a sorc is when doing Heavy Overload in melee range. Let's go over every step an overload sorc has to do while hiding behind his faction.

1) Hide and wait for an organized group to bomb and retreat
2) Hardened Ward
3) Streak in
4) Blockade of Storm
5) Overload for 7-9k a second
6) Streak out

I haven't used the skill but I am aware of how buggy and unresponsive it can be, especially in lag. This being said, I have played a magsorc for a very long time now and I understand how easy it is to surprise a group, coming out of nowhere with streak and a quick bomb and streak back out. Especially in CP campaign, even with 800 recovery, you can easily manage to buff, streak in, bomb, streak out and recover from any engagement using 10 pugs of your faction as a meatshield.

And this is specifically what most excellent and experienced players have been doing for the past 2 months. They hide behind their faction, wait until a group trying to fight on their own goes in, kill people, then try to retreat to a safe spot dealing with alot of pressure from the remaining players. Then the overload sorcs come in as people are getting rooted / snared / stunned since their immovable potion ran out and drop people down in 2-3 seconds.

There are counters available but not the ones that people have been mentioning in this thread like "bashing". By the time you try to reach the sorc and bash, you will be dead. The counters are lockdowns such as fossilize and negate. This being said, it is not easy to do since you got only 3 seconds before the whole raid is dead.

What I would suggest is a damage nerf of 15 to 20% and a range nerf from 6 x 15 to 5 x 12.

You seem to have put a lot of effort into your post without actually making any effort to carry out what you propose.

I can tell you right now you will be cc’d and killed instantly before you even get your first overload tick off. Blockade into overload heavy is so clunky it’s not even worth trading the extra damage for off balance vs the element of surprise.

Please test this stuff out before suggesting gameplay and nerfs.

frozywozy · July 2019

chiipso wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The issue with this skill is not only the damage but the range of it. It allows to burst people down much easier than Proximity Detonation can because of the large cone area in front of the caster (6 x 15 for Overload VS 8 for Healing Springs).

People are forced to spread out of Healing Springs range or to take the damage.
It's kinda funny to read all those posts claiming how vulnerable a sorc is when doing Heavy Overload in melee range. Let's go over every step an overload sorc has to do while hiding behind his faction.

1) Hide and wait for an organized group to bomb and retreat
2) Hardened Ward
3) Streak in
4) Blockade of Storm
5) Overload for 7-9k a second
6) Streak out

I haven't used the skill but I am aware of how buggy and unresponsive it can be, especially in lag. This being said, I have played a magsorc for a very long time now and I understand how easy it is to surprise a group, coming out of nowhere with streak and a quick bomb and streak back out. Especially in CP campaign, even with 800 recovery, you can easily manage to buff, streak in, bomb, streak out and recover from any engagement using 10 pugs of your faction as a meatshield.

And this is specifically what most excellent and experienced players have been doing for the past 2 months. They hide behind their faction, wait until a group trying to fight on their own goes in, kill people, then try to retreat to a safe spot dealing with alot of pressure from the remaining players. Then the overload sorcs come in as people are getting rooted / snared / stunned since their immovable potion ran out and drop people down in 2-3 seconds.

There are counters available but not the ones that people have been mentioning in this thread like "bashing". By the time you try to reach the sorc and bash, you will be dead. The counters are lockdowns such as fossilize and negate. This being said, it is not easy to do since you got only 3 seconds before the whole raid is dead.

What I would suggest is a damage nerf of 15 to 20% and a range nerf from 6 x 15 to 5 x 12.

You seem to have put a lot of effort into your post without actually making any effort to carry out what you propose.

I can tell you right now you will be cc’d and killed instantly before you even get your first overload tick off. Blockade into overload heavy is so clunky it’s not even worth trading the extra damage for off balance vs the element of surprise.

Please test this stuff out before suggesting gameplay and nerfs.

Could you tell me what is the difference between testing this build by myself and being the victim of it 30 to 40times in the past 2 months while keeping a tab on the group of overload sorcs, seeing them coming and using every tool in our disposal to counter them? It does not require a Sc.D. to understand how easy it is for such player to accomplish what is stated above while they are zerg surfing on top of their faction. I have played a bombsorc to AR32 and I know how easy it is to time a bomb when an enemy group is already struggling / dealing with other allies.

jaws343 · July 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

chiipso wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The issue with this skill is not only the damage but the range of it. It allows to burst people down much easier than Proximity Detonation can because of the large cone area in front of the caster (6 x 15 for Overload VS 8 for Healing Springs).

People are forced to spread out of Healing Springs range or to take the damage.
It's kinda funny to read all those posts claiming how vulnerable a sorc is when doing Heavy Overload in melee range. Let's go over every step an overload sorc has to do while hiding behind his faction.

1) Hide and wait for an organized group to bomb and retreat
2) Hardened Ward
3) Streak in
4) Blockade of Storm
5) Overload for 7-9k a second
6) Streak out

I haven't used the skill but I am aware of how buggy and unresponsive it can be, especially in lag. This being said, I have played a magsorc for a very long time now and I understand how easy it is to surprise a group, coming out of nowhere with streak and a quick bomb and streak back out. Especially in CP campaign, even with 800 recovery, you can easily manage to buff, streak in, bomb, streak out and recover from any engagement using 10 pugs of your faction as a meatshield.

And this is specifically what most excellent and experienced players have been doing for the past 2 months. They hide behind their faction, wait until a group trying to fight on their own goes in, kill people, then try to retreat to a safe spot dealing with alot of pressure from the remaining players. Then the overload sorcs come in as people are getting rooted / snared / stunned since their immovable potion ran out and drop people down in 2-3 seconds.

There are counters available but not the ones that people have been mentioning in this thread like "bashing". By the time you try to reach the sorc and bash, you will be dead. The counters are lockdowns such as fossilize and negate. This being said, it is not easy to do since you got only 3 seconds before the whole raid is dead.

What I would suggest is a damage nerf of 15 to 20% and a range nerf from 6 x 15 to 5 x 12.

You seem to have put a lot of effort into your post without actually making any effort to carry out what you propose.

I can tell you right now you will be cc’d and killed instantly before you even get your first overload tick off. Blockade into overload heavy is so clunky it’s not even worth trading the extra damage for off balance vs the element of surprise.

Please test this stuff out before suggesting gameplay and nerfs.

Could you tell me what is the difference between testing this stuff and being the victim of it 30 to 40times in the past 2 months while keeping a tab on the group of overload sorcs, seeing them coming and using every tool in our disposal to counter them?

Testing allows you to see how much they are actually sacrificing to build around 1 specific skill. Also, a group of players all spamming the same skills is hardly anything to balance around.

frozywozy · July 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

chiipso wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The issue with this skill is not only the damage but the range of it. It allows to burst people down much easier than Proximity Detonation can because of the large cone area in front of the caster (6 x 15 for Overload VS 8 for Healing Springs).

People are forced to spread out of Healing Springs range or to take the damage.
It's kinda funny to read all those posts claiming how vulnerable a sorc is when doing Heavy Overload in melee range. Let's go over every step an overload sorc has to do while hiding behind his faction.

1) Hide and wait for an organized group to bomb and retreat
2) Hardened Ward
3) Streak in
4) Blockade of Storm
5) Overload for 7-9k a second
6) Streak out

I haven't used the skill but I am aware of how buggy and unresponsive it can be, especially in lag. This being said, I have played a magsorc for a very long time now and I understand how easy it is to surprise a group, coming out of nowhere with streak and a quick bomb and streak back out. Especially in CP campaign, even with 800 recovery, you can easily manage to buff, streak in, bomb, streak out and recover from any engagement using 10 pugs of your faction as a meatshield.

And this is specifically what most excellent and experienced players have been doing for the past 2 months. They hide behind their faction, wait until a group trying to fight on their own goes in, kill people, then try to retreat to a safe spot dealing with alot of pressure from the remaining players. Then the overload sorcs come in as people are getting rooted / snared / stunned since their immovable potion ran out and drop people down in 2-3 seconds.

There are counters available but not the ones that people have been mentioning in this thread like "bashing". By the time you try to reach the sorc and bash, you will be dead. The counters are lockdowns such as fossilize and negate. This being said, it is not easy to do since you got only 3 seconds before the whole raid is dead.

What I would suggest is a damage nerf of 15 to 20% and a range nerf from 6 x 15 to 5 x 12.

You seem to have put a lot of effort into your post without actually making any effort to carry out what you propose.

I can tell you right now you will be cc’d and killed instantly before you even get your first overload tick off. Blockade into overload heavy is so clunky it’s not even worth trading the extra damage for off balance vs the element of surprise.

Please test this stuff out before suggesting gameplay and nerfs.

Could you tell me what is the difference between testing this stuff and being the victim of it 30 to 40times in the past 2 months while keeping a tab on the group of overload sorcs, seeing them coming and using every tool in our disposal to counter them?

Testing allows you to see how much they are actually sacrificing to build around 1 specific skill. Also, a group of players all spamming the same skills is hardly anything to balance around.

I have played different classes as a bomber and made over 128 millions of AP sacrificing everything into damage. I am well aware of what is required and how effective it is. This being said, and as mentioned in this thread, the damage per second of any other ultimate in this game is not nearly as good as overload and is also much less forgiving since overload can be used / cancelled repeatedly in a short amount of time.

GeneralSezme · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

PTS Patch notes 5.1.1 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485222/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-1)

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Overload: The Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs can no longer be interrupted.

No other ults are bashable anymore, why should overload be?

NBrookus · July 2019

GeneralSezme wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Can't you just bash overload heavy...?
There's a reason why overload sucks.

Not for long.

I don't understand, are they getting rid of bashing?

PTS Patch notes 5.1.1 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485222/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-1)

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Overload: The Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs can no longer be interrupted.

No other ults are bashable anymore, why should overload be?

I was just giving info to the sorc that thought OL was bad for that reason. Given the buggy side effects of bashing Overload on live now, plus the unlikelihood of surviving to reach the sorc to get in melee range in the first place, it's a non-buff in my opinion. I don't have a problem with not being able to bash OL.

ZOS_JesC · July 2019

Greetings, we've removed a few baiting comments. This is a friendly reminder to keep comments on topic and constructive. Thank you for your understanding.

merevie · July 2019

It's 'totally fine' until you are hit by 3 people with 19k, 19k and 21k. Usually just two land but some of our small group foes have gotten the timing to the point where they all do. (Live - Kaal).

Theignson · August 2019

When suddenly all the troll groups (oh sorry, "small scale" groups) start spamming something and running builds specced to a skill, you know you've found the latest out of balance ability.

Power overload is ridiculous.

My stam DK with 37/33k resists, 3k crit resist , took a single power overload hit for 11k. Absurd. After that I started seeing it on most death recaps. 3 hits for 9k each. Cmon.

Tune it down.