xylena_lazarow wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Overload requires the user to open themselves up in melee range on a ranged class.

Why does the strongest ranged spec in PvP also have the strongest melee attack in PvP?

jaws343 wrote: »

but you keep ignoring the function of the class

And you're ignoring that Sorcs also have the best disengage tool in the game.

You think streak is better than cloak to disengage?

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Overload requires the user to open themselves up in melee range on a ranged class.

Why does the strongest ranged spec in PvP also have the strongest melee attack in PvP?

jaws343 wrote: »

but you keep ignoring the function of the class

And you're ignoring that Sorcs also have the best disengage tool in the game.

It may be that a ranged spec as a strong melee ult as a trade off to being incredibly vulnerable in melee range. Maybe, overload is a way to force melee builds to back away.

But as others have said, in order for this to actually be a thing you have to build specifically for it. So the rest of your build is weak. Kind of like the way bombers have to build for that for insane burst damage, but the rest of their build is weak.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

PS. Xy, I luv ya, but you gotta stop getting my class nerfed lol

I don't want Mag Sorcs nerfed. I want DK and every other class to have Ultimates as strong as Overload Heavy. I want Magden, Magblade, and Magcro to be strong caster specs on par with Mag Sorc.

Magsorc is - aside from the overload heavy cheese - pretty bad on pts though.

I don't think it's Spinners/Elegance/Slimecraw -- I ran that build, and a slightly stronger one, a long time ago. I gave up almost no potential with my other sorc skills to run it except (at the time) being stuck on one bar. Shields are smaller, melee and aoe damage is up so melee range is more dangerous for a sorc now, but it's certainly not a some kind of automatic death sentence to be near people because you're channeling.

The worst possible scenario here is that Overload gets nerfed into the ground. A better case scenario would be sorcs get something cool in place of Overload, like a Chain Lightning (ala the original trailer) or something else more suitable for burst DPS.

It's the 70% heavy attack buff that makes it hit so high, no need to nerf Overload

jaws343 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

It's the 70% heavy attack buff that makes it hit so high, no need to nerf Overload

The problem is, that was a bug that they fixed. So yes, removing or changing the 70% buff to off balanced enemies would literally be a nerf to Overload. If anything, Overload wasn't doing enough heavy attack damage on live and they remedied that. Because right now on live, Overload heavy attacks are laughable.

The only thing doing comparable damage to overload cheese builds is Volendrung ult. So yeah I guess it is laughable in a way.

I would rather die from ulti, like OL, meteor, DBOS...etc than dying from 40k tank with insane resist and 5k WD because of fury/7th/bloodspawn. It it fairly reasonable to build for glass canon and get the glass canon treatment, insane dmg and low survivabilty. Unlike building to be tanky with high survivability and high dmg.

Also, since people are talking about OL being OP in pts. Proxy det hit for 100k with empowered by 20 people in side it's radius after removal of 6 people cap in it. So, realistically, you are more like to die from NB bomber than sorc OL spammer in PVP next patch. Lot of NB bombers are coming back next patch and you will never see them coming until you die because they will be cloaked. Unlike sorc which you can see a mile away unless they use invi potion then 30secs cooldown on it.

Maybe nerf proxy det as well?

CritsTheBed wrote: »

Lets be honest, overload got overlooked as far as deserved nerfs.

It´s still clunky to use and rather on the weaker side of singletarget ultimates if you don´t want to build for heavyattacking.

Weird state for an ability where it´s generally considered sub par for most builds but then op on builds specializing on it´s use. How do you balance that as a dev.

Lucky28 wrote: »

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GeneralSezme wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I don't think it's Spinners/Elegance/Slimecraw -- I ran that build, and a slightly stronger one, a long time ago. I gave up almost no potential with my other sorc skills to run it except (at the time) being stuck on one bar. Shields are smaller, melee and aoe damage is up so melee range is more dangerous for a sorc now, but it's certainly not a some kind of automatic death sentence to be near people because you're channeling.

The worst possible scenario here is that Overload gets nerfed into the ground. A better case scenario would be sorcs get something cool in place of Overload, like a Chain Lightning (ala the original trailer) or something else more suitable for burst DPS.

That is ridiculous, you have to sacrifice the burst damage of crystal frags and curse and the best heal sorcs have right now from twilight to be able to specialize and kill people with an ultimate that would do no damage otherwise.

Because any decent zapper knows that their build does not buff anything outside of light and heavy attacks and yeah ultimates should BE ULTIMATE to use and heavy overload for the majority of the games life has been anything but ultimate.

Yes, but right now. It can tick for more than Destro ult for a fraction of the cost.....

Well - different area of effect.
For 7 ticks it´s cost is also 175 ulti (22x7 cost + 3x7 diabled ult gain) compared to 213 for destro in the same duration.

If you also kill something with it it´s cost rises with every kill by 20 ult and by an additional 9 if the target was werewolf or vamp compared to destro ult.

Note that i´m not writing this to defend overload heavy builds - i 100% agree that builds specificly meant to maximise OL heavy dmg deal too much damage.
I just think that stating widely inaccurate numbers doesn´t help making an argument about an ability.

Lucky28 wrote: »

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GeneralSezme wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I don't think it's Spinners/Elegance/Slimecraw -- I ran that build, and a slightly stronger one, a long time ago. I gave up almost no potential with my other sorc skills to run it except (at the time) being stuck on one bar. Shields are smaller, melee and aoe damage is up so melee range is more dangerous for a sorc now, but it's certainly not a some kind of automatic death sentence to be near people because you're channeling.

The worst possible scenario here is that Overload gets nerfed into the ground. A better case scenario would be sorcs get something cool in place of Overload, like a Chain Lightning (ala the original trailer) or something else more suitable for burst DPS.

That is ridiculous, you have to sacrifice the burst damage of crystal frags and curse and the best heal sorcs have right now from twilight to be able to specialize and kill people with an ultimate that would do no damage otherwise.

Because any decent zapper knows that their build does not buff anything outside of light and heavy attacks and yeah ultimates should BE ULTIMATE to use and heavy overload for the majority of the games life has been anything but ultimate.

Yes, but right now. It can tick for more than Destro ult for a fraction of the cost.....

Overload has a higher skill cap than destro ult, it should be more powerful. All you have to do with destro is buff up and press R. With OL you have buff up to aim overload and can be bashed, and can’t cast a shield or block while the damage is being dealt.

For how buggy and hard to use overload is it should get a buff

If you get stunned while in overload mode you have to uncast it then recast it again.

If you switch bars to cast something on your back bar it has a chance to bug out, uncast and recast again

If you were in a negate for any length of time, uncast recast

If you were interrupted....

In lag it is one of the least responsive skill never mind how buggy light and heavy attacks are ALREADY in lag

As an olive branch to the whiners how about instead of calling to nerf an ultimate, demand all other ults get buffed to even the odds of outnumbered fights

To restate my thesis: ULTIMATES SHOULD BE ULTIMATE

GeneralSezme wrote: »

As an olive branch to the whiners how about instead of calling to nerf an ultimate, demand all other ults get buffed to even the odds of outnumbered fights

I've said this at least half a dozen times in this thread. Give me "hold left click to win" on my DK (and dont give me crap about Corrosive Heroic Reverb because I don't run that and I'm glad it's being nerfed into the ground).

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

As an olive branch to the whiners how about instead of calling to nerf an ultimate, demand all other ults get buffed to even the odds of outnumbered fights

I've said this at least half a dozen times in this thread. Give me "hold left click to win" on my DK (and dont give me crap about Corrosive Heroic Reverb because I don't run that and I'm glad it's being nerfed into the ground).

I'd like to see more people do it if it is that easy

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

As an olive branch to the whiners how about instead of calling to nerf an ultimate, demand all other ults get buffed to even the odds of outnumbered fights

I've said this at least half a dozen times in this thread. Give me "hold left click to win" on my DK (and dont give me crap about Corrosive Heroic Reverb because I don't run that and I'm glad it's being nerfed into the ground).

I jave never encountered a mag sorc spaming OL HA in BG, while on the other hand,almost every match in BG there is atleast 1 or 2 stam DK snb. I once played with 3 stam DK on my team, all using same combos and most likely same sets as well only appearance differeance. Heroic reverb meta while you don't use it, every snb build in the games does, and that acount to more 20% of pvp player, while OL builds are so rare, I'm alway surprised wyen I see them.

If OL is broken, seems like you never tested the new proxy det. While first is an ulti and require a specific build to utilize, second is a skill the requires to spefic build only be magic oriented and be around people.

This ulti is either bad or OP, broken or clunky to use every patch since it came to be and half of the reason is that it is some weird of overbuffed light attack/heavy attack instead of proper ability. They would save themself headache going away from that.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

It's at least 20% more damage than Destro + Sap or Pulsar spam, .

Stop spreading misinformation.

As I already told you, Destr + Sap, and sometimes even Permafrost + Whirlwind outdpses it by at least 1k/ second.

That´s why there are Nightblade bombers, but no MagSorc bombers.



Destro + Pulsar spam could be worse than Heavy OL, though, even with Alchemist + Balorgh, to be fair. But if you think you can replace a Bombblade with a generic Magicka class spamming Pulsar, we might know why you are so troubled.