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Seventh Legion 5.1.2 change...
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
The clear choice to me is run boring Hunding's and save the magicka for other tools. There is now a lack of back bar stamina sets to pair with arena weapons.Edited by akray21 on July 22, 2019 5:04PM0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?PC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
I'm just trying to show that ZOS clearly doesn't want NB using 7th legion for whatever reason, not QQing or complaining. I'll do fine with Hunding's.Edited by akray21 on July 22, 2019 5:09PM0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like a fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor, which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.Edited by TBois on July 22, 2019 5:11PMPC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like an fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor. Which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.
IMO they are locked into DW for rending slashes anyway, otherwise there is not enough DOT damage going out, unless you want to try to slot carve. I mean one could try to force 7th into their build, but there are FAR better options IMO.Edited by akray21 on July 22, 2019 5:13PM0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like an fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor. Which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.
IMO they are locked into DW for rending slashes anyway, otherwise there is not enough DOT damage going out, unless you want to try to slot carve. I mean one could try to force 7th into their build, but there are FAR better options IMO.
The master's bow should be a good option for next patch as well, and all other classes are in the same boat with dw rending slashes. You know, as a stam sorc, I'm upset about bar space a lot. So I have little sympathy for your argument. I just mention that last bit for a little perspective into where I am coming from. Man I miss my third bar, but alas...zos trying to balance.PC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD2 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like an fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor. Which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.
IMO they are locked into DW for rending slashes anyway, otherwise there is not enough DOT damage going out, unless you want to try to slot carve. I mean one could try to force 7th into their build, but there are FAR better options IMO.
The master's bow should be a good option for next patch as well, and all other classes are in the same boat with dw rending slashes. You know, as a stam sorc, I'm upset about bar space a lot. So I have little sympathy for your argument. I just mention that last bit for a little perspective into where I am coming from. Man I miss my third bar, but alas...zos trying to balance.
I play about the same amount of stamblade and stamsorc, so yeah... feelsbad.
I see an emerging issue with stamina classes not having enough good backbar options to allow for arena weapons... specifically medium armor backbar options. We have Trappings and that's about it. Magicka has bloodthorn, burning spell weave, scathing mage, lich, warlock, desert rose, spell strategist, wizards reposte, transmutation...0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like an fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor. Which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.
IMO they are locked into DW for rending slashes anyway, otherwise there is not enough DOT damage going out, unless you want to try to slot carve. I mean one could try to force 7th into their build, but there are FAR better options IMO.
The master's bow should be a good option for next patch as well, and all other classes are in the same boat with dw rending slashes. You know, as a stam sorc, I'm upset about bar space a lot. So I have little sympathy for your argument. I just mention that last bit for a little perspective into where I am coming from. Man I miss my third bar, but alas...zos trying to balance.
I play about the same amount of stamblade and stamsorc, so yeah... feelsbad.
I see an emerging issue with stamina classes not having enough good backbar options to allow for arena weapons... specifically medium armor backbar options. We have Trappings and that's about it. Magicka has bloodthorn, burning spell weave, scathing mage, lich, warlock, desert rose, spell strategist, wizards reposte, transmutation...
I totally agree. I was talking to a guildie about this last week when we were talking about 7th. Backbar for stam is hard, briarheart (crit based proc is inconsistent unless truly built for), new 7th (heavy and conditional with some classes making sacrifices in different ways), air/senche (kinda suck now), armor master (ok mitigation backbar set, magicka has too), clever alchemist (long cooldown, magicka has too), mechanical acuity (small burst window that is difficult to see in some situations, magicka has too), trappings (long cooldown), gryphon (its ok)
I think there were a couple more, but I cant remember. They must not have been that appealing of an option.Edited by TBois on July 22, 2019 5:39PMPC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Cry more. You have a tool in your class' toolkit to address your issue and refuse to use it. Your problem is a self-made one. Adjust your build or drop the set.
Actually the problem arises from stamblades performing well. The opponents they defeat, come to the forums and ask for "changes." The devs then cater to them. Clearly, making a post is the way to go.
To simply ask that nightblades major ward/resolve skills activate the set is quite sensible. Every other class does it.
The inner nerd expression "cry more" should be reserved for those asking for nerfs. But clearly those that desire nerfs enjoy changes like these.
Obviously zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a passive.
"...zos deems the bonus too powerful to be activated by a nightblade."
*Fixed
Because NB can have 100% uptime on the set as both medium and heavy armor withoyt any drawbacks, like precasting resistance buff. The shadow worrier passive is in a skill line that majority of nightblade use 2-3 skills from, and constiantly. Claok in both morphs, surpirse attacks, shades, and fear. Nice package, all in one. No drawbacks whatsoevery. Having NB use mirage for this buff, put them in every class shoes were they have to face the benefits and drawbacks of sustain when using the this set. Plus, if heavy armor NB,
minor resistance with major evasion is too good to pass, I think.
Minor resistances equate to 2% mitigation. Dark Cloak, and Shade are more important defensive tools, and fear is mandatory for the CC. With the massive cost increase on shade this patch there is absolutely no room for Mirage.
How much mitigation does major evasion give?
That is a redundant buff when the standard heavy stamblade runs blade cloak.
Maybe so, but dropping blade cloak to run this set seems like an fair trade and stamblades aren't locked into dw as a weapon choice for non medium armor. Which after the pts forward momentum/rally nerf all other classes are locked into for major evasion in heavy armor.
IMO they are locked into DW for rending slashes anyway, otherwise there is not enough DOT damage going out, unless you want to try to slot carve. I mean one could try to force 7th into their build, but there are FAR better options IMO.
The master's bow should be a good option for next patch as well, and all other classes are in the same boat with dw rending slashes. You know, as a stam sorc, I'm upset about bar space a lot. So I have little sympathy for your argument. I just mention that last bit for a little perspective into where I am coming from. Man I miss my third bar, but alas...zos trying to balance.
I play about the same amount of stamblade and stamsorc, so yeah... feelsbad.
I see an emerging issue with stamina classes not having enough good backbar options to allow for arena weapons... specifically medium armor backbar options. We have Trappings and that's about it. Magicka has bloodthorn, burning spell weave, scathing mage, lich, warlock, desert rose, spell strategist, wizards reposte, transmutation...
I totally agree. I was talking to a guildie about this last week when we were talking about 7th. Backbar for stam is hard, briarheart (crit based proc is inconsistent unless truly built for), new 7th (heavy and conditional with some classes making sacrifices in different ways), air/senche (kinda suck now), armor master (ok mitigation backbar set, magicka has too), clever alchemist (long cooldown, magicka has too), mechanical acuity (small burst window that is difficult to see in some situations, magicka has too), trappings (long cooldown), gryphon (its ok)
I think there were a couple more, but I cant remember. They must not have been that appealing of an option.
Yeah, Armor Master was one I was thinking about. I actually like Air more than the new Senche, I just wish the 4 piece bonus was something useful.0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I thought the point was to nerf the damage of the set. That was done.
If the new set bonus don't mesh, meh, don't use the set. There are sets that offer more weapon damage. If you do like the new 5th piece, by all means use it. Damage and health regen is kind of sweet for a Trollking Build.
If you can't proc it as easily as another class, well shoot. It is an MMORPG after all, you weight the pro's and con's and make a choice. It is in the same boat as weighing whether or not Bone Pirate is still worth using after they nerfed drinks.
Or you just wait for others to publish their meta builds and cut and paste.Edited by katorga on July 22, 2019 6:03PM3 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭I thought the point was to nerf the damage of the set. That was done.
If the new set bonus don't mesh, meh, don't use the set. There are sets that offer more weapon damage. If you do like the new 5th piece, by all means use it. Damage and health regen is kind of sweet for a Trollking Build.
If you can't proc it as easily as another class, well shoot. It is an MMORPG after all, you weight the pro's and con's and make a choice. It is in the same boat as weighing whether or not Bone Pirate is still worth using after they nerfed drinks.
Or you just wait for others to publish their meta builds and cut and paste.
They didn't just nerf the damage, they completely altered the core functionality, that's what I take issue with. They should have nerfed the damage, proc chance, uptime, or something like that and made this a brand new set.Edited by akray21 on July 22, 2019 6:09PM0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seventh Legion:
This item set can now only be activated from casting an ability that increases your Resistances, instead of anytime your Resistances increase. This means that things such as passives, potions, or poisons can no longer trigger this effect.
This pretty much renders the set 100% useless to Stamblades. The only way to proc it would be to use 5 heavy and Immovable, which was just made even more useless than it was before. Nobody wants to make themselves 65% slower.
Do us all a favor and revert that change please.
DK's Volatile Armor still works.
And got health regen too!
August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber2 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭The way the set was to proc was initially fine with the change.
The issue is they unnecessarily nerfed it so nightblades would be limited.
Allowing each class utilize their class major ward/resolve buff to utilize the set was pretty straightforward.
To suddenly decide it's illegal for nightblades is baffling.1 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Royalthought wrote: »To suddenly decide it's illegal for nightblades is baffling.
it's PTS..... not live.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »To suddenly decide it's illegal for nightblades is baffling.
it's PTS..... not live.
So...... is there some other time we should discuss changes?
Or is the 1 patch turnaround not suddenly enough? Lol1 -
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✭With what they're doing to Magicka's defenses so far, I think 7th Legion (and other offensively-oriented heavy sets for stam) needs to be made more useless than this...They basically all need the Veiled Heritance treatment.0 -
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✭✭With what they're doing to Magicka's defenses so far, I think 7th Legion (and other offensively-oriented heavy sets for stam) needs to be made more useless than this...They basically all need the Veiled Heritance treatment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ4iSpvB254
"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Lol but slotting an entire Weapon /Skill Tree just to have some sort of survival ability isn't? Pffft. SMH.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
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You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
Lol but slotting an entire Weapon /Skill Tree just to have some sort of survival ability isn't? Pffft. SMH.
You're gonna have to elaborate. That post doesn't make any sense."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seventh Legion:
This item set can now only be activated from casting an ability that increases your Resistances, instead of anytime your Resistances increase. This means that things such as passives, potions, or poisons can no longer trigger this effect.
This pretty much renders the set 100% useless to Stamblades. The only way to proc it would be to use 5 heavy and Immovable, which was just made even more useless than it was before. Nobody wants to make themselves 65% slower.
Do us all a favor and revert that change please.
You can proc it with the major evasion skill that gives minor buffs right?PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Seventh Legion:
This item set can now only be activated from casting an ability that increases your Resistances, instead of anytime your Resistances increase. This means that things such as passives, potions, or poisons can no longer trigger this effect.
This pretty much renders the set 100% useless to Stamblades. The only way to proc it would be to use 5 heavy and Immovable, which was just made even more useless than it was before. Nobody wants to make themselves 65% slower.
Do us all a favor and revert that change please.
You can proc it with the major evasion skill that gives minor buffs right?
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MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Seventh Legion:
This item set can now only be activated from casting an ability that increases your Resistances, instead of anytime your Resistances increase. This means that things such as passives, potions, or poisons can no longer trigger this effect.
This pretty much renders the set 100% useless to Stamblades. The only way to proc it would be to use 5 heavy and Immovable, which was just made even more useless than it was before. Nobody wants to make themselves 65% slower.
Do us all a favor and revert that change please.
You can proc it with the major evasion skill that gives minor buffs right?
Yes, you could also proc it with Equilibrium, and Blessing of Protection. Now why would a stamblade use any of those abilities?
I made the thread to point out stamblades won't have a proper way to proc it, and you people are just being salty and posting snarky comments for the sake of being antagonistic. Way to go..."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Seventh Legion:
This item set can now only be activated from casting an ability that increases your Resistances, instead of anytime your Resistances increase. This means that things such as passives, potions, or poisons can no longer trigger this effect.
This pretty much renders the set 100% useless to Stamblades. The only way to proc it would be to use 5 heavy and Immovable, which was just made even more useless than it was before. Nobody wants to make themselves 65% slower.
Do us all a favor and revert that change please.
You can proc it with the major evasion skill that gives minor buffs right?
Yes, you could also proc it with Equilibrium, and Blessing of Protection. Now why would a stamblade use any of those abilities?
I made the thread to point out stamblades won't have a proper way to proc it, and you people are just being salty and posting snarky comments for the sake of being antagonistic. Way to go...
It's pretty weird right?
Its simply a request to have class skills that grant major ward when activated proc the buff.
The same proc that all classes have access to.
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wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm sure he could get even more impressive healing tooltips with full Divines PvE gear, but that wouldn't mean that his defenses would remain the same. It's cool that Rapid Regeneration is no longer worthless as a heal in PvP, but it still suffers from potential issues with "smart" targeting, and pigeonholes many magicka builds into back bar Resto Staves (and may not even make it to live in the current PTS iteration, anyway).With what they're doing to Magicka's defenses so far, I think 7th Legion (and other offensively-oriented heavy sets for stam) needs to be made more useless than this...They basically all need the Veiled Heritance treatment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ4iSpvB254
Meanwhile, Protective Jewelry and Pirate Skeleton were both staples of many magicka setups...particularly those that lack mobility. Why should we/they lose so much "tankiness" unless we switch to defensive 5 piece sets and a back bar Resto Staff, while stam builds keep trucking along in offensively-oriented heavy armor sets that provide them with both durability and damage?2 -
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You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
First off this power is far from useless all my NightBlades ganker, bomber and heavy blade use it.
25% less AoE damage, assassin passives and minor resistance buffs. Plus it last for 26 seconds so your not casting it often. That’s pretty good this with Shadow Barrier is great.
I don’t even use Shades on my stamblades if you can’t CC and cloak out you are depending on Shadow Image too much.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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hakan✭✭✭✭✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
First off this power is far from useless all my NightBlades ganker, bomber and heavy blade use it.
25% less AoE damage, assassin passives and minor resistance buffs. Plus it last for 26 seconds so your not casting it often. That’s pretty good this with Shadow Barrier is great.
I don’t even use Shades on my stamblades if you can’t CC and cloak out you are depending on Shadow Image too much.
the Set's buff is ten seconds though, i guess thats what he meant.1 -
Calboy✭✭✭✭✭Boohoo stamblades, just adjust your build and use mirage, a great utility tool. At least you're not stamsorcs who would be missing out on the max damage portion of their only class stamina skill in their entire toolkit that offers any damage, and no the new streak which scales off magicka cps doesn't count.2 -
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✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »
You said elude. Elude is the medium armor skill.
Mirage is next to useless for a stamblade. Slotting that just to proc a set is a waste. Not only that, but it's also pretty expensive, and the cost of shade was just increased from 2700 to 4k. There's no room to be slotting more magicka abilities.
First off this power is far from useless all my NightBlades ganker, bomber and heavy blade use it.
25% less AoE damage, assassin passives and minor resistance buffs. Plus it last for 26 seconds so your not casting it often. That’s pretty good this with Shadow Barrier is great.
I don’t even use Shades on my stamblades if you can’t CC and cloak out you are depending on Shadow Image too much.
the Set's buff is ten seconds though, i guess thats what he meant.
Thank you I completely overlooked the sets cooldown but even still at 3.5k per ten seconds that’s not a bad trade off for 100% uptime.
At this point we have four options none are perfect.
1) Mirage every ten seconds, resetting it 50% early
2) Take the self snare with heavy armor.
3) Run Ransack
4) Drop the set long standing bugs are still bugs and it’s been fixed do one of the first three or move on.
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Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master
For the King of Argonia
May Sithis hold back his Void1
