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PTS Update 23 - Feedback Thread for PvE Tanking
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭XIIICaesar wrote: »I'd like to say that the resurrect away from Eternal Yokedan was very money hungry of all of you to do. It was one of best sets in the game for doing No Death achievement in DLC dungeons with my tank. Now it has NO USE. To many other sets out perform it by miles now. Removed the self resurrect because it over performed? No death was literally one only reasons I ran it on my tank & that I know other ran it on their tanks. All this is is a cash grab by you forcing people to run the Necro ultimate or run a Necro tank/healer. Making people have to buy Elsweyr.
Bahraha’s/ Leeching + whatever. Better than that suboptimal setup you had before and you’ll never die, never need a healer and you can still slot a monster set for support. You’re welcome. Also, decrying ZOS for cash grabbing while doing a balance pass? You’re really reaching, sorry.1 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tank
How so? Yolnahkriin is a very competitive support set for tanks. It's already meta, MTs wear Yolnahkriin + Alkosh while Ebon moved to off tanks.
Have you seen any organized raid groups using Yolnahkriin on main tank?
If there is an off-tank then they uses this. This set not worth dropping Ebon or Alkosh on a tank.
I believe more people just argue and not understand then point. We have every patch garbage heavy armour sets, instead ZOS should better make them competitive so can have some use.
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »XIIICaesar wrote: »I'd like to say that the resurrect away from Eternal Yokedan was very money hungry of all of you to do. It was one of best sets in the game for doing No Death achievement in DLC dungeons with my tank. Now it has NO USE. To many other sets out perform it by miles now. Removed the self resurrect because it over performed? No death was literally one only reasons I ran it on my tank & that I know other ran it on their tanks. All this is is a cash grab by you forcing people to run the Necro ultimate or run a Necro tank/healer. Making people have to buy Elsweyr.
Bahraha’s/ Leeching + whatever. Better than that suboptimal setup you had before and you’ll never die, never need a healer and you can still slot a monster set for support. You’re welcome. Also, decrying ZOS for cash grabbing while doing a balance pass? You’re really reaching, sorry.
While I don't use the set myself, I think that suggesting two sets that provide HoTs (rather weak outside of trash fights, though yes, potent in trash) as a replacement for a set that's used to mitigate one-shots (which come aplenty in newer dungeons) is a bit misleading. ^^ They work differently, and shine in different scenarios, so they wouldn't be a replacement for each other.Edited by John_Falstaff on July 15, 2019 10:46AM3 -
satanio✭✭✭✭
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
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rsantijw13✭✭✭Ebon is garbage always will be if you think that 1k added to health is going to prevent a group from wiping or it somehow makes dying harder that is a mistake. I have never been in a group that was making the comment thank goodness for ebon or I would have died. I mean seriously 1k health is not worth it. I have never ran ebon or alkosh, done all the trials with the exception of Cloudrest and Sunspire on vet hardmode. Alkosh is almost as bad. Good tanks that I have ran with say they are lucky to get that bonus every 20 seconds and since everybodys is now hitting synergies. The changes to orbs will make this better but if you were thinking again that alkosh was mandatory again its not. not even for leaderboards. You were told to like these sets a long time ago and its sad because their are much nicer ones out there if you try things out and test them. Day 1 player day 1 tank first one was 2h pet sorc tank. Played 2h bow build tank until vet 14 and then tried mag tanking.2
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jypcy✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tank
How so? Yolnahkriin is a very competitive support set for tanks. It's already meta, MTs wear Yolnahkriin + Alkosh while Ebon moved to off tanks.
Have you seen any organized raid groups using Yolnahkriin on main tank?
If there is an off-tank then they uses this. This set not worth dropping Ebon or Alkosh on a tank.
I believe more people just argue and not understand then point. We have every patch garbage heavy armour sets, instead ZOS should better make them competitive so can have some use.
Honestly I’ve been seeing ebon worn by heals nowadays in a number of the groups I run with. You know, because of how competitive Yolnahkriin is for the MT to wear.
Heavy sets for next patch look decent too, with a selfish one that offers something novel and another that offers aoe minor fracture/breach. I wish the proc condition for dragon’s defilement could be more reliable, but oh well. They’ll have their uses, even if they don’t make the cut for your typical raid group. I could see defilement being bis for arenas, at least.2 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rsantijw13 wrote: »Ebon is garbage always will be if you think that 1k added to health is going to prevent a group from wiping or it somehow makes dying harder that is a mistake. I have never been in a group that was making the comment thank goodness for ebon or I would have died. I mean seriously 1k health is not worth it. I have never ran ebon or alkosh, done all the trials with the exception of Cloudrest and Sunspire on vet hardmode. Alkosh is almost as bad. Good tanks that I have ran with say they are lucky to get that bonus every 20 seconds and since everybodys is now hitting synergies. The changes to orbs will make this better but if you were thinking again that alkosh was mandatory again its not. not even for leaderboards. You were told to like these sets a long time ago and its sad because their are much nicer ones out there if you try things out and test them. Day 1 player day 1 tank first one was 2h pet sorc tank. Played 2h bow build tank until vet 14 and then tried mag tanking.- Can clear a trial without the set =/= garbage set.
- Not a mandatory set =/= bad set.
Point in case, if you can clear a vet trial in selfish sets, sure, good for you. But it's not an indication that this or that set is bad. Some enjoy being meat shields. Some enjoy being group support machines. Truth is somewhere in-between, as it goes.
I'm pretty sure that, if you'll analyze combat logs, you'll be able to extract a certain percentage of encounters where health bars drop below 1k health (in fact ~1.5k since extra health is subject to mitigation too). It won't be 100% of encounters, or even 50%, but each drop like that is a death in disguise, prevented by Ebon. If you'll filter it by healers and tanks only, it'll be smaller percentage yet, but each would already be a potential group wipe, again prevented by Ebon. Alternatively, if group feels comfortable without Ebon, why not wear Ebon anyway and let them spec 1k more into their resource pool (which, just in case, translates into more weapon / spell power and, indirectly, better sustain).
Same with Alkosh - yes, the damage boost is not dramatic, but it's there. Is Spriggan's a good set? I think most would say it is. Alkosh is like 5pc effect of Spriggan's, for everyone, at no expense on their part. Thing is, you didn't bother to define "worth it", it's heavily context-dependent. If you're struggling with some content, if healers struggle to keep everyone alive, sure, support sets may not be worth it, they make less experienced tanks die and selfish sets surely would make for nicer group experience. If group feels confident and as a tank you have no issues surviving while wearing full support sets, then I'm not sure what other - better - sets would you suggest for that occasion.6 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭rsantijw13 wrote: »Ebon is garbage always will be if you think that 1k added to health is going to prevent a group from wiping or it somehow makes dying harder that is a mistake. I have never been in a group that was making the comment thank goodness for ebon or I would have died. I mean seriously 1k health is not worth it. I have never ran ebon or alkosh, done all the trials with the exception of Cloudrest and Sunspire on vet hardmode. Alkosh is almost as bad. Good tanks that I have ran with say they are lucky to get that bonus every 20 seconds and since everybodys is now hitting synergies. The changes to orbs will make this better but if you were thinking again that alkosh was mandatory again its not. not even for leaderboards. You were told to like these sets a long time ago and its sad because their are much nicer ones out there if you try things out and test them. Day 1 player day 1 tank first one was 2h pet sorc tank. Played 2h bow build tank until vet 14 and then tried mag tanking.
I'm not sure which groups you play with, but they must be more casual. Ebon absolutely does help protect against stacking damage spikes which is the cause for most deaths in trial score runs. As a member of a team that posted world record scores last patch got TTT, IR AND GH, I can tell you that Ebon is an extremely valuable resource in hard trials.
As far as alkosh goes, again it seems like a group issue. My core has 8 stam necros, so the synergies are not as plentiful as in more class diverse group and yet our line breaker has always been in high 70s.
Since currently in vSS DPS run this set, here is my parse on Yolna with a 82% uptime. This was done with a mixed class group so the uptime is around 8% higher than I normally get:
https://youtu.be/BDBma0mrFLc Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on July 15, 2019 3:10PM5 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.0 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭rsantijw13 wrote: »Ebon is garbage always will be if you think that 1k added to health is going to prevent a group from wiping or it somehow makes dying harder that is a mistake. I have never been in a group that was making the comment thank goodness for ebon or I would have died. I mean seriously 1k health is not worth it. I have never ran ebon or alkosh, done all the trials with the exception of Cloudrest and Sunspire on vet hardmode. Alkosh is almost as bad. Good tanks that I have ran with say they are lucky to get that bonus every 20 seconds and since everybodys is now hitting synergies. The changes to orbs will make this better but if you were thinking again that alkosh was mandatory again its not. not even for leaderboards. You were told to like these sets a long time ago and its sad because their are much nicer ones out there if you try things out and test them. Day 1 player day 1 tank first one was 2h pet sorc tank. Played 2h bow build tank until vet 14 and then tried mag tanking.
It's not just "1k" smfh
When I put Ebon on most of my group members spike in at least 2k health or a little more. That's huge for anyone who isn't a tank. Ebon is a glorious set. One of the best Zos has produced. Sad it's be slightly nerfed.
But just because you can clear a trial without it doesn't mean it's trash.Edited by BlazingDynamo on July 16, 2019 1:27PM1 -
satanio✭✭✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
And what do you need on your tank? And by “need” I mean something that is gamechanging for you or your group and impossible to get from other sources then a set. It’s not about the minor slayer or weapon crit (vigor uses weapon crit btw) and you know that. I was feeling the same way as you did, no change on my gear throughout 3 years, same old ebon alkosh bs, but now? Our number of options now is making me happy - Martial Knowledge, Yolnak, Dragons Defilement, Alkosh and more. But still it’s not high and I disagree with anyone that wants to change them in any way that would ‘prevent’ tanks from wearing them.0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
I think you're missing the point. Tanking - as in holding the boss is braindead...the reason the game is designed this way is to allow you to hold mobs and at the same time apply debuffs, buffs and help the group. It's a support role and you have to support, not just hold mobs. That's where finesse comes in. If you want the easy braindead job of JUST holding the adds then this game is not for you ..Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on July 16, 2019 2:17PM2 -
Excelsus✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
I think you're missing the point. Tanking - as in holding the boss is braindead...the reason the game is designed this way is to allow you to hold mobs and at the same time apply debuffs, buffs and help the group. It's a support role and you have to support, not just hold mobs. That's where finesse comes in. If you want the easy braindead job of JUST holding the adds then this game is not for you ..
Alkosh was designed for dps. There's no debating that. Zos has a clear stam dps, magsps, healer and tank set per trial. But Zos has never quite known what to do with the tank role and the community decided to put Alkosh on the tank to maximize dps. That's cool, a little innovation. But it doesnt change the fact that a new tank will really struggle to do shadow realm vCR or Void Barrage wearing sets that only help dps and provide no defensive buffs. So it is not unreasonable to ask Zos for sets that provide bonuses like Alkosh but come in heavy and have increased health, healing, defences so we can be the happy cheerleaders dps wants us to be without struggling to stay alive. Because its always stupid tanks fault for dying and wiping group while they JUST hold the boss while wearing medium dps sets. Thats all. Yolnakrin does this, dragon's defilement does this and we would like more.4 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
I think you're missing the point. Tanking - as in holding the boss is braindead...the reason the game is designed this way is to allow you to hold mobs and at the same time apply debuffs, buffs and help the group. It's a support role and you have to support, not just hold mobs. That's where finesse comes in. If you want the easy braindead job of JUST holding the adds then this game is not for you ..
Alkosh was designed for dps. There's no debating that. Zos has a clear stam dps, magsps, healer and tank set per trial. But Zos has never quite known what to do with the tank role and the community decided to put Alkosh on the tank to maximize dps. That's cool, a little innovation. But it doesnt change the fact that a new tank will really struggle to do shadow realm vCR or Void Barrage wearing sets that only help dps and provide no defensive buffs. So it is not unreasonable to ask Zos for sets that provide bonuses like Alkosh but come in heavy and have increased health, healing, defences so we can be the happy cheerleaders dps wants us to be without struggling to stay alive. Because its always stupid tanks fault for dying and wiping group while they JUST hold the boss while wearing medium dps sets. Thats all. Yolnakrin does this, dragon's defilement does this and we would like more.
I think that’s more on the community/raid leads than ZOS. There are already plenty of “selfish” sets in the game. If a new tank needs to use one to learn some content until they’re comfortable enough to drop it, I’d hope that raid leads can figure out that wiping is more detrimental to the group than not having good linebreaker uptime. Or, have a dps wear it until the tank is comfortable enough to do so. I expect they’ll continue to release sets with each new update and I wouldn’t mind more tanky, group support options. But I also wouldn’t say there’s an issue with the current options.
Imo it’s a good thing when sets that provide the best effects are also the most challenging to use effectively.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
I think you're missing the point. Tanking - as in holding the boss is braindead...the reason the game is designed this way is to allow you to hold mobs and at the same time apply debuffs, buffs and help the group. It's a support role and you have to support, not just hold mobs. That's where finesse comes in. If you want the easy braindead job of JUST holding the adds then this game is not for you ..
Alkosh was designed for dps. There's no debating that. Zos has a clear stam dps, magsps, healer and tank set per trial. But Zos has never quite known what to do with the tank role and the community decided to put Alkosh on the tank to maximize dps. That's cool, a little innovation. But it doesnt change the fact that a new tank will really struggle to do shadow realm vCR or Void Barrage wearing sets that only help dps and provide no defensive buffs. So it is not unreasonable to ask Zos for sets that provide bonuses like Alkosh but come in heavy and have increased health, healing, defences so we can be the happy cheerleaders dps wants us to be without struggling to stay alive. Because its always stupid tanks fault for dying and wiping group while they JUST hold the boss while wearing medium dps sets. Thats all. Yolnakrin does this, dragon's defilement does this and we would like more.
I think that’s more on the community/raid leads than ZOS. There are already plenty of “selfish” sets in the game. If a new tank needs to use one to learn some content until they’re comfortable enough to drop it, I’d hope that raid leads can figure out that wiping is more detrimental to the group than not having good linebreaker uptime. Or, have a dps wear it until the tank is comfortable enough to do so. I expect they’ll continue to release sets with each new update and I wouldn’t mind more tanky, group support options. But I also wouldn’t say there’s an issue with the current options.
Imo it’s a good thing when sets that provide the best effects are also the most challenging to use effectively.
Agree, alkosh 5th set bonus outweighs all the 3 rather useless for tank bonuses of 2-4 pieces. Btw, it seems that power assault is indirectly buffed in this patch too - vigor is much cheaper to spam. So overall changes for tanks are very nice in this patch. Only thing I don't understand is nerf of silver leash.. well, it is wide used in PVP, but still that cost increase won't be a big deal in PVP, but will be noticeable to PVE tanks since they often need to use many leashes in a row.1 -
TankHealz2015✭✭✭PvE DK SHIELD TANK - Craglorn group areas
Iceheart monster set + Undaunted Bastion + Hatchling's Shell
1h&shield Ransack - minor protection
1h&shield Defensive Stance - damage shield & increases amount can block
DK Hardened Armor - damage shield & major resolve/ward
DK Igneous Shield - damage shield & increase healing done
2h skill Brawler - damage shield & AoE damage
2h skill Rally - major evasion (-25% AOE damage sweet) & heal
Undaunted skill Bone Shield - damage shield
Heavy Armor skill Immovable - increase amount can block & major resolve/ward
Defensive Stance = does not have a visual effect for the shield. Perhaps a bubble like the other shields, but a new color.
Brawler = has a visual effect but it's almost invisible and very hard to see. needs improvement.
Rally = has no visual effect for the evasion. How bout a small something around the feet?
Undaunted Bastion = has a subtle blue glow around the body-chest area when the shield procs. not bad.
The reason the visual effects are important (to me) is not just to look cool. it allows me to focus on my character and the mobs around me instead of staring at my health bar to verify my shields are almost down. situational awareness.
I wonder if the (PvE dungeons) shield tank could make a return...
EDIT: I was having stamina drain issues, because so many of the skills are stamina based. I slotted deep thoughts and wow. perfect. I will enter some dungeons next see how it handles.
EDIT: if hardened armor, bone shield (and Vampire mist form) can crit there small DoT damage, then could maybe proc the Iceheart shield.
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Why you can't simply use igneous, defensive stance and Asylum S&B? They provide 20k shield on 38k HP tank when cast one after another and return resources back to each other (igneous due to helping hands, defensive stance due to asylum s&b)
Also you may try combining deep thoughts with immovable, one will grant immunity to cc and second will grant major protection to empower shield.
But from my tests even combining all the nigthblade's mitigation bonuses on live, you still can't survive really hard hits/channels in meditation without blocking, even with dark cloak active.0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »
Is not meant? What? What does that mean in ESO? This is not WoW where you are crippled to wear only plate armor on warrior. God, prevent role to wear something... smh. Strongly disagree with your opinion.BlazingDynamo wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Alkosh is not meant to be a tank set. It's a DPS set. This set needs to be revisited to prevent tanks from having to run it in an end game environment.
I love new martial knowledge and dragon’s defilement sets, those will definitely find place in my armory.
Tanking got some minor tweaks that I like, but these sets just warm my hearth.
Have you even looked at the bonuses? It provides no benefit for a tank other than the 5 piece being a group debuff. So yeah it's not a tank set and it's sad af that someone has to be forced to wear it in order to provide better dps. Cause that minor slayer is coming in handy eh? Change the set to give tank related stats and yes it would be great. But I don't need weapon Crit on my tank buddy.
I think you're missing the point. Tanking - as in holding the boss is braindead...the reason the game is designed this way is to allow you to hold mobs and at the same time apply debuffs, buffs and help the group. It's a support role and you have to support, not just hold mobs. That's where finesse comes in. If you want the easy braindead job of JUST holding the adds then this game is not for you ..
Alkosh was designed for dps. There's no debating that. Zos has a clear stam dps, magsps, healer and tank set per trial. But Zos has never quite known what to do with the tank role and the community decided to put Alkosh on the tank to maximize dps. That's cool, a little innovation. But it doesnt change the fact that a new tank will really struggle to do shadow realm vCR or Void Barrage wearing sets that only help dps and provide no defensive buffs. So it is not unreasonable to ask Zos for sets that provide bonuses like Alkosh but come in heavy and have increased health, healing, defences so we can be the happy cheerleaders dps wants us to be without struggling to stay alive. Because its always stupid tanks fault for dying and wiping group while they JUST hold the boss while wearing medium dps sets. Thats all. Yolnakrin does this, dragon's defilement does this and we would like more.
I agree with everything you have said, but only because you mentioned "New" tanks. But I'd argue that new tanks shouldnt be worried about running alkosh, till they learn the fight and once they do they could run the sets designed for dps just fine. As far as having heavy sets that act like alkosh - I'm all for it, so definitely no argument there:)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tank
How so? Yolnahkriin is a very competitive support set for tanks. It's already meta, MTs wear Yolnahkriin + Alkosh while Ebon moved to off tanks.
Have you seen any organized raid groups using Yolnahkriin on main tank?
If there is an off-tank then they uses this. This set not worth dropping Ebon or Alkosh on a tank.
I believe more people just argue and not understand then point. We have every patch garbage heavy armour sets, instead ZOS should better make them competitive so can have some use.
I see it all the time and I run it myself as MT. I'm not sure how would you justify not putting Ebon on the off tank, aside from cases when OT is too far from the group for Ebon to work - which doesn't happen often. At the same time, when OT is waiting for storm atros or refabricated centurion to spawn, there's nothing else around except the boss to taunt, and OT running Yolnahkriin wouldn't even be able to make the set work.
WOW! I was asking for more descent sets but some players never deserve one and more happier with crap
So 2k health, 1k stamina, minor aegis and thing that procs on all group without effort and with beyond easy uptime is crap?
it is more "decent to tank" then ebon. It's handcrafted to be as good as possible, selling set for Elsweyr for tanks, like Olorime was for healers in summerset. 0 -
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tank
How so? Yolnahkriin is a very competitive support set for tanks. It's already meta, MTs wear Yolnahkriin + Alkosh while Ebon moved to off tanks.
Have you seen any organized raid groups using Yolnahkriin on main tank?
If there is an off-tank then they uses this. This set not worth dropping Ebon or Alkosh on a tank.
I believe more people just argue and not understand then point. We have every patch garbage heavy armour sets, instead ZOS should better make them competitive so can have some use.
I see it all the time and I run it myself as MT. I'm not sure how would you justify not putting Ebon on the off tank, aside from cases when OT is too far from the group for Ebon to work - which doesn't happen often. At the same time, when OT is waiting for storm atros or refabricated centurion to spawn, there's nothing else around except the boss to taunt, and OT running Yolnahkriin wouldn't even be able to make the set work.
WOW! I was asking for more descent sets but some players never deserve one and more happier with crap
So 2k health, 1k stamina, minor aegis and thing that procs on all group without effort and with beyond easy uptime is crap? it is more "decent to tank" then ebon. It's handcrafted to be as good as possible, selling set for Elsweyr for tanks, like Olorime was for healers in summerset.
Lets take 3 sets which are best suited for tanks.
My main concern was Heavy Armor sets coming with this Update, they are not offering much but looks dull sets and ZOS may need to tweak more to have them competitive.
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Zymcio✭✭✭Hey,
when u will rebalance/change the weapon sets for tanks ? I feel them kinda useless in PvE.0 -
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✭Sounds good to me. Should have heavy reduced cost for block. Taunt on heavy for 15 secs. And a buff to increased time for other werewolves in your group by an extra 5% up to 20% for 4 WWs (including yourself). Would make it useful. Also change tormenter set to work for all gap closers.
Change Tormenter set to work with all gap closers.Wuuffyy,
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msalvia✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Every patch we are having more worst Tank Sets. Please stop giving new sets if can not come up with competitive sets
Why ZOS is not enough capable to deliver something competitive as Alkosh or Ebon for PVE tanks
Yol just came out...0 -
MonthemSoul Shrivensilver leash high cost is the most annoying part of non dk tanking (at least for trash pulls), additionally it costs stamina, changing the cost to magicka plus some situational ressource refund like dk chain would be a very nice QoL improvement4
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actosh✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Hey, i feel the Nightblade Tanks are still lacking grp support.
Yeah we got the new Power Extraction wich is kinda nice, but it would be better if some of the extracted power would be transfered over to allies. Something like 100-150.
Next thing is we dont have a synergy that is not tied to an ultimate wich rly is an issue and should be looked at.
Mirage(Major Evasion) should offer some grp utility. Either a short buff on major evasion (similiar to shield durations) or a longer duration with minor evasion.
However, a bit more grp utility is something nb tanks are asking for over some years now.
Btw, pls give silver shards the dk chain treatment, if not pulling u r not charged the cost.
Btw, please Increase Power Extractions power reduce a bit. Something in between 300-375 would be fitting perfect.
Thx.Edited by actosh on July 31, 2019 10:47AM2 -
TimX✭✭I just want to add one question. If we look at sorc tank, why should the clannban be nerfed to be in par with other healing abilities and still not offer something else, some special effect to make it fair to use 2 bar slots? ...thats one concern I have with that change5