Crixus8000 wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Absolutly agree, 2 Major buffs for one skill is too much. Very bad idea. And if their goal is to nerf heal from rally and add something usefull here - why not new buff - like some mitigation to direct damage. Or to single target direct damage. But not Major. maybe Minor one. idk, did u had thoughts about this @ZOS_Gilliam ?

How is 2 buffs on forward/rally so bad when suffle/elude has 2 major buffs (major evasion and major expedition) while also having longer snare immunity ?

I wouldnt mind them taking away the major expedition, i get it ELSEWYR.... but it is locked behind 5 pieces of gear an not a single weapon maybe?

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i dont understand why removing the hot from rally in the first place

if u want to add something...why not minor courage....yeah 2on 1 is a bit much but minor cour has little effect and fits the theme.... i also like them using more of the underused or newer buffs

The hot was pretty useless. I think they should tack on a minor buff of some kind instead of major evasion.

hakan wrote: »

How is rally now? I cant understand the skill from patch notes does it have a heal or no?

Now give you major brutality and evasion but lost the healing over time and last 20 sec.

The burst heal is still there.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

How is rally now? I cant understand the skill from patch notes does it have a heal or no?

Now give you major brutality and evasion but lost the healing over time and last 20 sec.

The burst heal is still there.

So there is no heal on both morphs but with rally at 20th second you get the nerfed (300 percent?) burst heal? Is that right?

If thats the case, forward momentum all the way.

Lyar09 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

It should give something like Minor Endurance(stam regen) or Minor Fortitude(HP regen) instead.

I don’t like minor endurance. You already get stupid high regen from battle rush. I like the fortitude idea tho

I do like those... regen is life!

- stamDK

@ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_Gilliam
Do u really feel adding Major Evasion (2 Major buffs at the same skill.... wtf core idea???) is a good way?

Aren't there too many ways to get Major Evasion now?
With such a way of changes we will get soon it on every light attack on every class, or while loggin in permanently.
Wtf?

And where is something new? Like a thing I wrote guess in this thread earlier - MInor mitigation vs single target direct damage if u want to give this skill more defensive role.
But with bleed "adjustment" it will help to create even more extremly broken Tank meta and this is bad way in general from my point of view. We saw that earlier in eso.
Short memory? Wrobel's principles?

Guys, it's second week of PTS.
How we can force u to not do this trash goin on Live?
Massive deleting eso clients from PC with a feedbacks at forums of "professionalism" of Devs?
Any thoughts?

Minor heroism would be a good buff. It fits the theme of the name, and it was removed when they changed cleave last patch.

Fr3ak1n0ut wrote: »

I do agree with the general direction here, Evasion is a weird buff to put on the skill and doesnt fit the theme.
However, since evasion was changed to reduce AoE damage, I dont think that this should be a medium (or nightblade) exclusive.
I think other classes should have access aswell, especially if they decide to play in light armor and are mag users (and please dont mention quick cloak now, its duration is way too short to keep the buff up consistently on a mag char).

I dont think Forward Momentum is the right spot to put this on, but there should definitely be an ability to grant this to other roles than nb or medium armor builds.

Some ideas: Dampen Magic, Entropy, or even Balance instead of the Major Resistance buffs (as Evasion will mostly be used in organized group play where AoE cant be easily avoided, putting it on this skill might not be too bad either).

I guess nightblade can have it exclusive. With general more squishiness than dk, warden, necromancer, it's somehow balanced.
But.
Nightblade's Phantasmal Escape is too good for it's cost.
But it's not a reason to give this buff for everyone easy accessable.
It's a reason to nerf Phantasmal Escape.
There should not be Evasion on Momentum. Very bad idea.
Especially with bleeds which doesn't ignore resists anymore.
Too huge bonuses for heavy armor users.
And not viable for light armor users. with 2hander mages loose so much, that even very cheap momentum with no matter how much evasion is a waste of everything. No, it's bad way.

Dampen/entropy/balance - no, wrong way.
We need small steps, more variety for classes.
Fkk dumb unification.

Fr3ak1n0ut wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Fr3ak1n0ut wrote: »

I do agree with the general direction here, Evasion is a weird buff to put on the skill and doesnt fit the theme.
However, since evasion was changed to reduce AoE damage, I dont think that this should be a medium (or nightblade) exclusive.
I think other classes should have access aswell, especially if they decide to play in light armor and are mag users (and please dont mention quick cloak now, its duration is way too short to keep the buff up consistently on a mag char).

I dont think Forward Momentum is the right spot to put this on, but there should definitely be an ability to grant this to other roles than nb or medium armor builds.

Some ideas: Dampen Magic, Entropy, or even Balance instead of the Major Resistance buffs (as Evasion will mostly be used in organized group play where AoE cant be easily avoided, putting it on this skill might not be too bad either).

I guess nightblade can have it exclusive. With general more squishiness than dk, warden, necromancer, it's somehow balanced.
But.
Nightblade's Phantasmal Escape is too good for it's cost.
But it's not a reason to give this buff for everyone easy accessable.
It's a reason to nerf Phantasmal Escape.
There should not be Evasion on Momentum. Very bad idea.
Especially with bleeds which doesn't ignore resists anymore.
Too huge bonuses for heavy armor users.

Dampen/entropy/balance - no, wrong way.
We need small steps, more variety for classes.
Fkk dumb unification.

First of all, Bleeds are not affected by Major Evasion. Bleeds are not AoE abilities and therefore have nothing to do with this buff.
I am also not sure how putting this ability on one of the three skills I suggested reduces variety for classes. I also agree that generally the game gets balanced too flat with everyone having access to everything, but you cant put a 25% AoE damage reduction skill as an exclusive for one armor type and one class only. Class identity should be reserved for minor buffs and unique abilities, such as streak, repentance or warden´s pull ability. Major buffs should not be something that is gated behind a class.

Also, I disagree with Phantasmal Escape being too good. Its absolutely okay for nightblade to have this skill and it pretty much offers the same functionality as shuffle (which is some seconds longer snare immunity now, depending on how many medium pieces you wear.)

Evasion = more general tankiness. I never connected these things direct.
And never meant direct connection.
But we will have now builds in heavy, which much less hurted with bleeds and aoe at the same time. With resists mitigation. Healing recieved, max health, protections. And way way smaller uptime of Major Defile (Reverberating Bash RIP...). I guess it's uptime will be like 2-4 times smaller or even ... than now.
I'm pretty sure that deleting bleeds as a thing and giving at the same time everyone stamina user not matter armor type Major Evasion = Big Fail.
Class identity can be released in many way. Reserved for minor buffs and uniq abilities?... Nope. It's a question of general balance what is reserved with a class.

Also, Phantasmal Escape is magicka(!) skill. Manablade in cloak with this skill at the same time get -25% of aoe damage, which are one of the counters to invisibility, and to all snares and roots, so it's unlimited mobility.
I'm sure it's not what we all want.

My main is Manablade.
I was angry on having any option to counter snares at it before Elsweyr.
But.
Now it's too strong.
This skill makes it such one. And Race in Time (offensive and speed alternative accessable for every class in game).

it's not what I wanted.
I wanted each class to have own ways to counter snares. With deversity. With restrictions. For example to be able get cleance or immunity only outside of cloak. Enouch to get good.
Counter to snares can be not only cleanse or immunity: absorb, share, redistribute, revert with some skill. Game can be more fun with such mechanics.
And with Snares be ordered to Major/Minor system.

New Shuffle is too strong. New Elude is too strong.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam Do u read our feedbacks???

No need for major Evasion on Rally or Momentum. Please remove .... Make people go medium for Major Evasion or look for other sources.. Heavy has enough mitigation and mitigation sets, this will be over the top for sure.

Kind of sucks to run two hander as a medium player or a duel wield player running speed cloak.

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Fr3ak1n0ut wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Fr3ak1n0ut wrote: »

I do agree with the general direction here, Evasion is a weird buff to put on the skill and doesnt fit the theme.
However, since evasion was changed to reduce AoE damage, I dont think that this should be a medium (or nightblade) exclusive.
I think other classes should have access aswell, especially if they decide to play in light armor and are mag users (and please dont mention quick cloak now, its duration is way too short to keep the buff up consistently on a mag char).

I dont think Forward Momentum is the right spot to put this on, but there should definitely be an ability to grant this to other roles than nb or medium armor builds.

Some ideas: Dampen Magic, Entropy, or even Balance instead of the Major Resistance buffs (as Evasion will mostly be used in organized group play where AoE cant be easily avoided, putting it on this skill might not be too bad either).

I guess nightblade can have it exclusive. With general more squishiness than dk, warden, necromancer, it's somehow balanced.
But.
Nightblade's Phantasmal Escape is too good for it's cost.
But it's not a reason to give this buff for everyone easy accessable.
It's a reason to nerf Phantasmal Escape.
There should not be Evasion on Momentum. Very bad idea.
Especially with bleeds which doesn't ignore resists anymore.
Too huge bonuses for heavy armor users.

Dampen/entropy/balance - no, wrong way.
We need small steps, more variety for classes.
Fkk dumb unification.

First of all, Bleeds are not affected by Major Evasion. Bleeds are not AoE abilities and therefore have nothing to do with this buff.
I am also not sure how putting this ability on one of the three skills I suggested reduces variety for classes. I also agree that generally the game gets balanced too flat with everyone having access to everything, but you cant put a 25% AoE damage reduction skill as an exclusive for one armor type and one class only. Class identity should be reserved for minor buffs and unique abilities, such as streak, repentance or warden´s pull ability. Major buffs should not be something that is gated behind a class.

Also, I disagree with Phantasmal Escape being too good. Its absolutely okay for nightblade to have this skill and it pretty much offers the same functionality as shuffle (which is some seconds longer snare immunity now, depending on how many medium pieces you wear.)

Evasion = more general tankiness. I never connected these things direct.
And never meant direct connection.
But we will have now builds in heavy, which much less hurted with bleeds and aoe at the same time. With resists mitigation. Healing recieved, max health, protections. And way way smaller uptime of Major Defile (Reverberating Bash RIP...). I guess it's uptime will be like 2-4 times smaller or even ... than now.
I'm pretty sure that deleting bleeds as a thing and giving at the same time everyone stamina user not matter armor type Major Evasion = Big Fail.
Class identity can be released in many way. Reserved for minor buffs and uniq abilities?... Nope. It's a question of general balance what is reserved with a class.

Also, Phantasmal Escape is magicka(!) skill. Manablade in cloak with this skill at the same time get -25% of aoe damage, which are one of the counters to invisibility, and to all snares and roots, so it's unlimited mobility.
I'm sure it's not what we all want.

My main is Manablade.
I was angry on having any option to counter snares at it before Elsweyr.
But.
Now it's too strong.
This skill makes it such one. And Race in Time (offensive and speed alternative accessable for every class in game).

it's not what I wanted.
I wanted each class to have own ways to counter snares. With deversity. With restrictions. For example to be able get cleance or immunity only outside of cloak. Enouch to get good.
Counter to snares can be not only cleanse or immunity: absorb, share, redistribute, revert with some skill. Game can be more fun with such mechanics.
And with Snares be ordered to Major/Minor system.

New Shuffle is too strong. New Elude is too strong.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam Do u read our feedbacks???

I agree with you ... I see more TANKS to the point that they are virtually a pain in the butt. Low skilled players just running around holding block or just running 40k Armor / Major Evasion / Increase healing by a ton/ plus one of the go to sets for a tank giving now a ton of health regen. I like the patch but the tank love has to go! Make people choose!

In the current patch I see a Stam DK with now better Resource return + reduction in bleeds + less major defiles + super easy acess to major evasion will be the class for PVP for someone just comming into PVP. I main was a stam Dk these guys are now stronger then ever. They are now tankier with ability to do good damage and have superior tanking power. The vigor with major mending/in heavy/DK passives are stupid strong. I can say the same for tanky Stam Wardens also. I not bashing any class. I just see some classes really having strong senergies with this patch.

ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »

Substitutes:
Minor Endurance for the duration

Minor heroism for the first 5-10 secs

Minor vitality for the first 5-10 sec

Minor Protection for 5 sec after, if you let it run the full duration to make up for it being reset.

Minor Fortitude for 10 sec

Minor Expedition for 5 secs if it runs full duration so you can run away from dmg when u dont have a burst heal primed!

mmm heroism

ZOS has told us they know that there is too much damage mitigation in pvp. As a result they give heavy armor even more of it with major evasion!

What is the meaning behind it?

Sun7dance wrote: »

ZOS has told us they know that there is too much damage mitigation in pvp. As a result they give heavy armor even more of it with major evasion!

What is the meaning behind it?

also, bleeds doesn't ignore resists anymore and major defile removed from Reverberating bash there.
It's actually 3 very huge buffs to heavy...
Onslaught seems to be the only 1 way to fight vs someone stucked resists (pretty sure it will be nerfed, it's current pts form is op af, much more unbalanced than bleeds at Live). but, what we will have at the end?
I will be very wondered if heavy will not become Meta in such conditions.