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A request for ZOS to review Pirate Skeleton
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Trian94✭✭✭✭
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skillPC EU
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WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
It doesnt cover it up makes it all the more obvious and annoyingPC NA
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
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Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Whether someone wears this or not, I don't have trouble, they are just missing a set such as bloodspawn or something else that would help them.
If you are going to attack other people's "lack of skill", perhaps learn how to counter rather than insult.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.3 -
Wihuri✭✭✭Blackrose DW is totally fine though. Nothing to see there. Completely balanced. One might even say irrelevant. Move on people.
I see what you did there!Unbalanced. Please rework.
(less uptime or minor protec,...)
Yeah minor protection with a 100% uptime sounds better. So no minor defile as well because the change to a minor buff from major. A bit like slimecraw is right now, but a defensive version instead.So youll get a set that reduces incoming damage by 15% at the cost of reducing incoming healing by 15%. At this point, you might as well save yourself the trouble and not wear anything.
Of course you would remove the defile portion when changing the protection buff from major to minor.0 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
That moment where it takes you 200% longer to kill someone who is completely flailing and doesnt know what to do because of a broken 2 piece set. It's a carry set. No better than any of the proc sets people historically love to whine aboutPC NA
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Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Blackrose DW is totally fine though. Nothing to see there. Completely balanced. One might even say irrelevant. Move on people.
I see what you did there!Unbalanced. Please rework.
(less uptime or minor protec,...)
Yeah minor protection with a 100% uptime sounds better. So no minor defile as well because the change to a minor buff from major. A bit like slimecraw is right now, but a defensive version instead.So youll get a set that reduces incoming damage by 15% at the cost of reducing incoming healing by 15%. At this point, you might as well save yourself the trouble and not wear anything.
Of course you would remove the defile portion when changing the protection buff from major to minor.
Set would be useless if minor protect #temporalguard
Cloak
Frost armorEdited by Jodynn on July 15, 2019 1:55PMJodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
That moment where it takes you 200% longer to kill someone who is completely flailing and doesnt know what to do because of a broken 2 piece set. It's a carry set. No better than any of the proc sets people historically love to whine about
The only people it takes longer to kill are the ones who are skilled enough to use it correctly or tanky people who can't hurt me anyways...If someone is bad, they are bad, they are going to die either way.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.1 -
GloryClass RepresentativeEmma_Overload wrote: »There are other sources of Major Protection that are even more reliable than this set. Why are so many people hellbent on nerfing it? If it is so good, why aren't YOU using it?
OP said they are....
Yes, I wear it on several builds on live because it provides significant damage reduction at a minimal cost.
This would warrant a discussion on the value of effective HP, which considers things like mitigation and damage reduction both through debuffs against the enemy and buffs on yourself. Without boring everyone, it can be sufficient to say that reducing damage by this much is far outvaluing the incoming healing you deprive yourself.Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Sure. Who cares about minor/major protection being the only way to make somewhat tanky build in non-cp environment ?
Lets neft it for convenience of cp players.
If you're a magbuild with pirate skeleton + blackrose resto in a no-cp environment, you're basically roleplaying cp levels of survivability.
Pirate Skeleton (and blackrose resto) needs to be gutted completely.
Blackrose DW is totally fine though. Nothing to see there. Completely balanced. One might even say irrelevant. Move on people.
This is a good point. Blackrose DW and a few other items (Steadfast, etc.) are also likely warranting review.
Blackrose is interesting, because compared to pirate skeleton:- Still allows you to run a 2/5/5 setup, with Blackrose DW on one bar
- Can have 100% uptime, compared to other sets
- Have no "downside" i.e. minor defile
- Does require the use of a skill
mDK will rise again.
Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.
@Glorious since I have too many characters to list
Ádamant
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Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »There are other sources of Major Protection that are even more reliable than this set. Why are so many people hellbent on nerfing it? If it is so good, why aren't YOU using it?
OP said they are....
Yes, I wear it on several builds on live because it provides significant damage reduction at a minimal cost.
This would warrant a discussion on the value of effective HP, which considers things like mitigation and damage reduction both through debuffs against the enemy and buffs on yourself. Without boring everyone, it can be sufficient to say that reducing damage by this much is far outvaluing the incoming healing you deprive yourself.Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Sure. Who cares about minor/major protection being the only way to make somewhat tanky build in non-cp environment ?
Lets neft it for convenience of cp players.
If you're a magbuild with pirate skeleton + blackrose resto in a no-cp environment, you're basically roleplaying cp levels of survivability.
Pirate Skeleton (and blackrose resto) needs to be gutted completely.
Blackrose DW is totally fine though. Nothing to see there. Completely balanced. One might even say irrelevant. Move on people.
This is a good point. Blackrose DW and a few other items (Steadfast, etc.) are also likely warranting review.
Blackrose is interesting, because compared to pirate skeleton:- Still allows you to run a 2/5/5 setup, with Blackrose DW on one bar
- Can have 100% uptime, compared to other sets
- Have no "downside" i.e. minor defile
- Does require the use of a skill
Let's not forget the fact that cloak is getting a major damage boost next patch.
Either way, I accept either.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*Edited by Trian94 on July 15, 2019 2:02PMPC EU
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Wihuri✭✭✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Set would be useless if minor protect #temporalguard
Temporal is awesome of course. The change to minor would open up the other morph. Not to mention you would have the protection on both bars while wearing it. Then there's templar, but it would still be a good set on templars that do not slot aedric spear abilities (as healer). Change to ransack would also mean minor would not be good to pair with it. Anyway how many people will slot ransack in pvp? Surely there are other options for those people. Even with 100% uptime on minor protection I could see myself slotting pirate skeleton.0 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Set would be useless if minor protect #temporalguard
Temporal is awesome of course. The change to minor would open up the other morph. Not to mention you would have the protection on both bars while wearing it. Then there's templar, but it would still be a good set on templars that do not slot aedric spear abilities (as healer). Change to ransack would also mean minor would not be good to pair with it. Anyway how many people will slot ransack in pvp? Surely there are other options for those people. Even with 100% uptime on minor protection I could see myself slotting pirate skeleton.
To each their own, I'd just decon it or wear two resistance pieces.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
Tattooo✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »You shouldn't be able to take the amount of damage this set enables you to, that is the issue. I understand that some players who enjoy fighting outnumbered view this set as a godsend, but they should realize that the reason they view it as such a strong option is because it is overperforming. There needs to be suitable counterplay to this set, and a 3 second window that can be hidden by certain disguises and a polymorph is not nearly enough.
Nothing is more frustrating then running full damage and coming across players that can mitigate anywhere between 30%-50%+ of your damage all the time just by running a 2pc set and using skills they'd normally use on their respective classes. The same concept goes for the straight tanking or healing oriented players in PvP - they become unkillable while not actually having the skill level to support being unkillable - just by wearing defensive sets and having 810 CP. Pirate skeleton does the same thing but for almost ANY setup.
I agree, the set is really strong. The only reason I like it is because it helps defend against all the other really strong things that I have to deal with as a solo/smallscale player than most players seem to be fine with. 20k zaans that go through walls, trees, ceilings and block, 10k assassins wills, 6-8k frag spams ect. These things are fine in 1v1 or large group play but really become op in xv1/outnumbered since speed was gutted. I would prefer if pvp had more counterplay rather than just using things like pirate, but that's not the case unfortunately, and it doesn't help that everyone moves so slow being forced to facetank and performance is always bad, making timing defense pointless most of the time.
I mean the uptime of pirateskelli is way too high being that it´s only a 2piece set .... look at steadfast for example in comparison, way lower uptime .... everyone and their mom runs pirateskelli, that just gives you an idea how strong, almost broken it is.. they should just lower the time of the major protection and be done with it ... 5seconds major protection - 10seconds cd, like they did with steadfast so you can only get a uptime of atleast 50% or decrease the value of major protection to begin with ... make it only 20% of dmg reduction or smth like thatEdited by Tattooo on July 15, 2019 2:09PMI AM INNOCENT1 -
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I can't help but notice that all of the classes in your signature have access to great mobility and/or cloak. In other words, solid survivability options without being forced to rely on facetanking damage.
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*1 -
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✭Crixus8000 wrote: »You shouldn't be able to take the amount of damage this set enables you to, that is the issue. I understand that some players who enjoy fighting outnumbered view this set as a godsend, but they should realize that the reason they view it as such a strong option is because it is overperforming. There needs to be suitable counterplay to this set, and a 3 second window that can be hidden by certain disguises and a polymorph is not nearly enough.
Nothing is more frustrating then running full damage and coming across players that can mitigate anywhere between 30%-50%+ of your damage all the time just by running a 2pc set and using skills they'd normally use on their respective classes. The same concept goes for the straight tanking or healing oriented players in PvP - they become unkillable while not actually having the skill level to support being unkillable - just by wearing defensive sets and having 810 CP. Pirate skeleton does the same thing but for almost ANY setup.
I agree, the set is really strong. The only reason I like it is because it helps defend against all the other really strong things that I have to deal with as a solo/smallscale player than most players seem to be fine with. 20k zaans that go through walls, trees, ceilings and block, 10k assassins wills, 6-8k frag spams ect. These things are fine in 1v1 or large group play but really become op in xv1/outnumbered since speed was gutted. I would prefer if pvp had more counterplay rather than just using things like pirate, but that's not the case unfortunately, and it doesn't help that everyone moves so slow being forced to facetank and performance is always bad, making timing defense pointless most of the time.
I mean the uptime of pirateskelli is way too high being that it´s only a 2piece set .... look at steadfast for example in comparison, way lower uptime .... everyone and their mom runs pirateskelli, that just gives you an idea how strong, almost broken it is..
I use it when 20 people chase me all day, it's really annoying, otherwise I don't use it. I find other sets much more helpful.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
Said someone playing sorc and NB.
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Tattooo✭✭✭
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
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Trian94✭✭✭✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
Said someone playing sorc and NB.
*eyeroll*
Lmao buddy. Stamsorc is next to stamplar at the bottom of barrel in the current meta. And my nb and magsorc are pve alts. But sure try to make more points without context or even knowing about class balance *megaeyeroll*Edited by Trian94 on July 15, 2019 2:18PMPC EU
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Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
Said someone playing sorc and NB.
*eyeroll*
Lmao buddy. Stamsorc is next to stamplar at the bottom of barrel in the current meta. And my nb is for pve. But sure try to make more points without context or even knowing about class balance *megaeyeroll*
Stamplar at the bottom of the barrel ? Lol , thanks for clarifying how clueless your are.
*gigaeyeroll*
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I can't help but notice that all of the classes in your signature have access to great mobility and/or cloak. In other words, solid survivability options without being forced to rely on facetanking damage.
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
I barely play magsorc and stamblade in pvp. As far as stamsorc is concerned, yeah it has some mobility but all that's useful for is escaping some of the bs in cyrodiil. But i don't quite understand your point. How is my main class related to pirate skeleton being stupidly op?PC EU
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✭DISCLAIMER: I currently wear this set on different builds
It is clear from the numerous threads, in game discussions, and prevalence of this set, that this set deserves a review.
Having not been mentioned in these patch notes, it would be helpful to see a response from the developers about their opinions of this set. Maybe they will say that it is performing as they are hoping, maybe they just say they're looking at it internally and are/aren't going to change it.
A simple response that they have seen the many, many discussions would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to express your opinions and/or support for the review of this set.
Thank you!
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Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not make a poll instead of arguing...?
Give valid points instead of attacking one another, otherwise you just seem silly and then become an ad hominem, which pointing out their class is such, but let's focus on the issue because it doesn't devalue them one bit.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
Sacredx✭✭✭Currently, this set is one of the "go to" sets for pvp for a good reason.
- 38% damage reduction with minor protection buff which is fairly easy to get
- Mitigation is pure (cannot be debuffed) which is much stronger than other forms of mitigation that can be debuffed.
- Up time of up to 80%
- Skele animation can be hidden preventing others from seeing the set activate which defeats the purpose of giving away the proc to the enemy
- 15% heal reduction is a very small penalty compared to the bonuses
- Not even 5 piece sets offer anything like this set buff. All the major protection 5 pce sets have major drawbacks in comparison.
There is no question this set is over-performing relative to your average monster set. Major Protection should be reserved for special abilities like Ultimates, not a 2 pce proc set. This set needs a serious review otherwise it will remain one of the "go to" sets.PC NA PvP Oceanic
The Kelly Gang [TKG]
Highest kill streak: https://i.imgur.com/V6jJhoy.png
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For real man... this comment can literally be applied to ANY discussion about sets. I wonder what it lacks... oh right! C O N T E X T.
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
The way people choose their builds (skill levels aside) is by looking at what the expected amount of damage will be that most people are putting out, and by looking at the expected amount of damage you will need to kill most people. This creates some sort of a baseline on which you choose your sets, enchants, etc. so that your build will be suited to perform against most people out there. Then you have sets like pirate skeleton, which makes people insanely tanky with high uptime, while they are still able to put out very high damage because this 2 pc set covers almost their entire defensive needs. Can you not see where this causes friction? It forces you to spec more offensively in order to take them down, but in turn you open yourself up to being bursted down as result of a lack of mitigation. The only solution would be either add more defense and struggle to kill a lot of people, or simply don't give a damn and slot pirate skeleton yourself.
The set itself is fine in a sense, the one thing that makes it OP is the uptime being way too high.
Aaah I'm already looking forward to your response
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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For real man... this comment can literally be applied to ANY discussion about sets. I wonder what it lacks... oh right! C O N T E X T.
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
The way people choose their builds (skill levels aside) is by looking at what the expected amount of damage will be that most people are putting out, and by looking at the expected amount of damage you will need to kill most people. This creates some sort of a baseline on which you choose your sets, enchants, etc. so that your build will be suited to perform against most people out there. Then you have sets like pirate skeleton, which makes people insanely tanky with high uptime, while they are still able to put out very high damage because this 2 pc set covers almost their entire defensive needs. Can you not see where this causes friction? It forces you to spec more offensively in order to take them down, but in turn you open yourself up to being bursted down as result of a lack of mitigation. The only solution would be either add more defense and struggle to kill a lot of people, or simply don't give a damn and slot pirate skeleton yourself.
The set itself is fine in a sense, the one thing that makes it OP is the uptime being way too high.
Aaah I'm already looking forward to your response
<shrug> you wont be excited by my response. So the attacker has to spec more bursty to be able to beat PS. Kinda like the PS user had to spec more tanky by not using an offensive set instead of PS.
Everyone's like "OMG look at the mighty 15% effective tankiness!" while conveniently forgetting that the tankiness comes at the price of not dropping a 12k tooltip skoria every 5 seconds on your enemy's head. And thats not even the most powerful offensive set.
The "but they can still do damage with PS!" cuts both ways. You can still be tanky without PS and do insane damage. There are bloodspawn builds that take a zerg to kill them.0 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »Massacre_Wurm wrote: »
Yes. Better than wearing it since it covers up people's lack of skill
Love this. Can't beat them? Try to guilt them into wearing something else, then you will be able to beat them.
But remember, it is THEY that lack skill, not you!
/rollseyes.
Sure they are, cause they are rocking a set that gives you mitigation worth of 20k resistances and it has 80% uptime with a poor excuse of a debuff that can be ignored easily and that's a 2 piece set. Yeah it's balanced cause it makes people who defend it not die in 2 seconds. *eyeroll*
Said someone playing sorc and NB.
*eyeroll*
Lmao buddy. Stamsorc is next to stamplar at the bottom of barrel in the current meta. And my nb is for pve. But sure try to make more points without context or even knowing about class balance *megaeyeroll*
Stamplar at the bottom of the barrel ? Lol , thanks for clarifying how clueless your are.
*gigaeyeroll*
Yeah come to no cp and play stamplar buddy. Thanks for showing everyone you know nothing about this game. *myeyesrolledoffofmyheadeyeroll*PC EU
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✭✭✭ZoS makes all this high damage crap, then people complain when they also give players a way to mitigate the damage.
10/10 will whine about anything.
Yeapers. Op lost me at this "DISCLAIMER: I currently wear this set on different builds"
They will be butthurt about something else soon with their partner in these threads. xD1
