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Another update, another patch you can't hide vampire
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peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Don't worry ZOS will add hide vampire to crown store soon.
We've been asking for it for years now.
Either that or make vampirism an actual transformation like werewolf. You shouldn't just be able to become a vampire and get free resource regen without having to use any vampire skills.
I wouldn't describe it as free - because you do have to suffer some fire resistance penalties to get the passive bonus. Plus it costs skill points of course.
But that's one of the reasons I fully support giving players the option to hide the vampire skin. That way players who feel they are being put at a disadvantage because they don't want to become a Vampire due to the looks will no longer feel that way. Then they can go get bit - get the passive bonus - hide the skin - and no longer feel obligated to call Vampires OP. ^^
But i dont want to be cursed. Vampirism and Lycanthropy have been turned into the literal standard of living in Tamriel by the players that theyve lost all original meaning behind their place in the Lore. They are cursed monsters, living in the shadows and depths of the world, hunted down. In ESO almost EVERYONE is bitten just because the passives are too good and people are fighting to get rid of the one immersive tradeoff to being cursed cause they want their cake and want to eat it too.
Why cant people just deal. If they feel so strongly about their visual appearance, go get cured and deal without the passives.
I guess my response would be that I consider the real trade off to be the increase in fire damage - not the visual appearance. So I don't really see the harm in allowing players to hide it.
From the lore perspective - and as I pointed out - the NPC in Rivenspire was able to hide his Vampirsm. So I don't see why this option should conflict with those who care about those kind of details.
The whole thing just seems harmless to me. Just let them hide it I say. Then I wouldn't have to live with the fear they are going to nerf Vampires all the time because those who miss out on the passive due to looks are calling for it to be nerfed all the time.Edited by Jeremy on July 11, 2019 5:54AM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »The worst part about these patch notes is that we STILL can't hide vampire and are forced to wear an ugly skin or have the ugly vampire look. Something HAS to be done, this is unacceptable.
While I personally think Vampires look cool - judging by how often this option is asked for the developers should probably do it. Would be an easy change - make a lot of players happy - and wouldn't negatively affect anyone else.
Would also make a lot of players unhappy and depending on your opinion it does indeed have a negative impact on some players.
Combat mechanics is not the only way a player can be negatively impacted in the game.
Why not let werewolves then have a permanent werewolf status with no appearance penalties?
Why even have any penalties at all for being a vamp, next the same players will whine to remove the lowered fire resistance.
Why can't I look like anything I want, if we make vamps hide-able should not anyone be able to have any appearance they want? Make all polymorphs free and let everyone look however they want, this is the argument those here are using for the vamp appearance.
I don't understand why this should make other players unhappy. It seems like a harmless change to me that would do nothing but increase the enjoyment of others. It's just a skin. Besides, the in-game Vampire NPCs (such as the one in Rivenspire) was capable of hiding his Vamprism. So why not allow players to do the same?
You do not understand becuase you refuse to. I gave reasons, feel free to disagree but no one gets to tell someone else what makes them happy or unhappy.
But I didn't tell you what should make you happy or unhappy.
I said I don't understand why this should make other player's unhappy. It's just a skin. I read the reasons you gave and I didn't understand them.
Edited by Jeremy on July 11, 2019 5:53AM2 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.
Bretons can turn into skeletons by using a polymorph. They are changing their skin - and making a Breton without having to look like a Breton. What's the difference when it comes to Vampires?
It just seems to me the argument people shouldn't be able to change the looks of what they made went out the window awhile ago. Because every race on this game has the capacity to completely hide their racial features all together. Why not allow Vampires to do the same?Edited by Jeremy on July 11, 2019 6:07AM3 -
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Because a lot of players are pretty selfish, and would somehow break down in to an emotional wreck if some players got something they personally don't want.Hippie4927 wrote: »I don't mind the way my vampires look but do I begrudge others who want the option to hide their vampirism? No! Why would I? It doesn't affect my game. I don't know why ZOS won't give people a human skin. If they sell it in the Crown Store, they would clean up!2 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.
Bretons can turn into skeletons by using a polymorph. They are changing their skin - and making a Breton without having to look like a Breton. What's the difference when it comes to Vampires?
It just seems to me the argument people shouldn't be able to change the looks of what they made went out the window awhile ago. Because every race on this game has the capacity to completely hide their racial features all together. Why not allow Vampires to do the same?
And I am not against that. But what the OP wants a option added to the vampire skill line to toggle on/off the appearance. This is not ok. Polymorph, costume, skin is fine, but to add a option to switch between Vampire and normal is not ok.
The main issue that many like me have is that people want the passives of a vampire, but do not want to look like one or use the skills of one. This is demeaning to a Vampire lore wise and for those who actually play as a vampire. I hope that in the future they make it to where you have to have a Vampire skill to get the passives, like the werewolf has to have the ultimate to gain the passives. This would fix the whole issue of people whining that they are ugly because the only ones who would play a vampire the would be the ones who WANT to play a Vampire and don't mind the look.3 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.
Bretons can turn into skeletons by using a polymorph. They are changing their skin - and making a Breton without having to look like a Breton. What's the difference when it comes to Vampires?
It just seems to me the argument people shouldn't be able to change the looks of what they made went out the window awhile ago. Because every race on this game has the capacity to completely hide their racial features all together. Why not allow Vampires to do the same?
And I am not against that. But what the OP wants a option added to the vampire skill line to toggle on/off the appearance. This is not ok. Polymorph, costume, skin is fine, but to add a option to switch between Vampire and normal is not ok.
The main issue that many like me have is that people want the passives of a vampire, but do not want to look like one or use the skills of one. This is demeaning to a Vampire lore wise and for those who actually play as a vampire. I hope that in the future they make it to where you have to have a Vampire skill to get the passives, like the werewolf has to have the ultimate to gain the passives. This would fix the whole issue of people whining that they are ugly because the only ones who would play a vampire the would be the ones who WANT to play a Vampire and don't mind the look.
I can't challenge your logic because there are many skill lines that do require that you slot at least one of the skills to gain access to the passives. And I do understand... sort of.... your argument that it cheapens the choice to become a Vampire if you're basically just doing it for a passive.
But lore wise - I don't really see the conflict since Vampire NPCs seem to be able to hide their Vamprism.
Maybe another way to solve this problem that would make everyone happy is for them to just add a new world skill line that has the same passives but has no affect on the character's appearance. That way players who have no real wish to become Vampires and who are just doing it for the passives can supplement their class with that world skill line instead. Or maybe add a 10% regen passive to the undaunted skill line that only works for non Vampires.1 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.
Bretons can turn into skeletons by using a polymorph. They are changing their skin - and making a Breton without having to look like a Breton. What's the difference when it comes to Vampires?
It just seems to me the argument people shouldn't be able to change the looks of what they made went out the window awhile ago. Because every race on this game has the capacity to completely hide their racial features all together. Why not allow Vampires to do the same?
And I am not against that. But what the OP wants a option added to the vampire skill line to toggle on/off the appearance. This is not ok. Polymorph, costume, skin is fine, but to add a option to switch between Vampire and normal is not ok.
The main issue that many like me have is that people want the passives of a vampire, but do not want to look like one or use the skills of one. This is demeaning to a Vampire lore wise and for those who actually play as a vampire. I hope that in the future they make it to where you have to have a Vampire skill to get the passives, like the werewolf has to have the ultimate to gain the passives. This would fix the whole issue of people whining that they are ugly because the only ones who would play a vampire the would be the ones who WANT to play a Vampire and don't mind the look.
I can't challenge your logic because there are many skill lines that do require that you slot at least one of the skills to gain access to the passives. And I do understand... sort of.... your argument that it cheapens the choice to become a Vampire if you're basically just doing it for a passive.
But lore wise - I don't really see the conflict since Vampire NPCs seem to be able to hide their Vamprism.
Maybe another way to solve this problem that would make everyone happy is for them to just add a new world skill line that has the same passives but has no affect on the character's appearance. That way players who have no real wish to become Vampires and who are just doing it for the passives can supplement their class with that world skill line instead. Or maybe add a 10% regen passive to the undaunted skill line that only works for non Vampires.
No meaning to offend, but have you read the lore? I have alot. All Vampires look pale and gaunt, and death like when not fed. Plus the vampire has no way to cast glamor and rely on the darkness to conceal their true self. Furthermore majority of vampires take damage in sunlight and those who don't are severely weakened. So if one is to use the Lore of the game even our vampires were not killed by the sun we should recieve negatives.
But ESO made us the first line of Vampires, Lamae Bal is the first Vampire and we are turned by her which makes us "Pure Blood". So we are not as affected by sunlight.
Went on a rant, but lore wise no we could not affect our appearance.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I gotta say, from a monetization standpoint it makes SO MUCH SENSE to do this... which really makes me think there is some kind of weird technical reason why it hasn't been done yet.
Regardless of which side you land on (for or against) I would think that most of us would agree that there have been many lore-breaking changes implemented throughout the years, and also we've seen many changes that have made lots of players much more upset than this change would make. On the flip side, consider that this could be sold as an option, multiple skins, one for each stage, AND it would allow many players to enjoy and possibly buy more cosmetic options that don't show up well on vampires today.
Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages. Personally I feel like being a vampire and having the option to look like one is a BENEFIT, not a drawback, to the condition. So it wouldn't bother me if people were allowed to turn it off. People are running around dungeons with ponies and cats and whatnot so this seems minor to me, from a lore-breaking perspective. Between Bosmer stealth and Argonian poison resistance and polymorphs and skins that make you look like you're made of lava.... the horse has left the barn already on a lot of these lore and drawback arguments. They are technically true but we already know those reasons aren't generally used for other game decisions. :P[/quoteMsny claim ESO "Breaks [quote="Recremen;c-6202826"]
Slippery Slope argument lol. Costumes, hats, outfits ect ect. Have nothing to do with skill lines. You don't like the way Bone armor looks? don't pick the skill. You dont like Volatile armor? don't pick the skill. You don't like the way vampire looks? DON'T PICK THE SKILL.
It is not a complicated concept.
Don't want a brown bear for your Warden ultimate? Don't pick the ski-oh wait actually they have a cosmetic option to change it to a gray bear, if you like, and your entire argument falls apart when examining systems ZOS has already put in place. The fact of the matter is that ZOS has consistently opened up new cosmetic options that serve as counterpoints for every single criticism against OP's desire, meaning that they're well within their right to make a request for a new skin that follows the same rules as all the other ones ZOS has put out. It also means that everyone arguing against this skin request in particular doesn't have a leg to stand on.
So where is the sorcerer pet skins? Where are the Mages lightning form skins (Which has been asked for LONG BEFORE Vampire), where is the Werewolf skins(Werebear, WereCroc ect). Again a slippery slope argument. You don't want to look like a vampire , yet have the skills pick a skin. There are many to choose from. Oh wait I forgot you want it for free with no effort or money. Sorry it isn't going to happen, just like they are not going to make a vampire NOT LOOK LIKE A VAMPIRE. You don't want to look like a vampire, Cure yourself. Nuff said.
Bretons can turn into skeletons by using a polymorph. They are changing their skin - and making a Breton without having to look like a Breton. What's the difference when it comes to Vampires?
It just seems to me the argument people shouldn't be able to change the looks of what they made went out the window awhile ago. Because every race on this game has the capacity to completely hide their racial features all together. Why not allow Vampires to do the same?
And I am not against that. But what the OP wants a option added to the vampire skill line to toggle on/off the appearance. This is not ok. Polymorph, costume, skin is fine, but to add a option to switch between Vampire and normal is not ok.
The main issue that many like me have is that people want the passives of a vampire, but do not want to look like one or use the skills of one. This is demeaning to a Vampire lore wise and for those who actually play as a vampire. I hope that in the future they make it to where you have to have a Vampire skill to get the passives, like the werewolf has to have the ultimate to gain the passives. This would fix the whole issue of people whining that they are ugly because the only ones who would play a vampire the would be the ones who WANT to play a Vampire and don't mind the look.
I can't challenge your logic because there are many skill lines that do require that you slot at least one of the skills to gain access to the passives. And I do understand... sort of.... your argument that it cheapens the choice to become a Vampire if you're basically just doing it for a passive.
But lore wise - I don't really see the conflict since Vampire NPCs seem to be able to hide their Vamprism.
Maybe another way to solve this problem that would make everyone happy is for them to just add a new world skill line that has the same passives but has no affect on the character's appearance. That way players who have no real wish to become Vampires and who are just doing it for the passives can supplement their class with that world skill line instead. Or maybe add a 10% regen passive to the undaunted skill line that only works for non Vampires.
No meaning to offend, but have you read the lore? I have alot. All Vampires look pale and gaunt, and death like when not fed. Plus the vampire has no way to cast glamor and rely on the darkness to conceal their true self. Furthermore majority of vampires take damage in sunlight and those who don't are severely weakened. So if one is to use the Lore of the game even our vampires were not killed by the sun we should recieve negatives.
But ESO made us the first line of Vampires, Lamae Bal is the first Vampire and we are turned by her which makes us "Pure Blood". So we are not as affected by sunlight.
Went on a rant, but lore wise no we could not affect our appearance.
Only a little - and it doesn't offend me to ask. I'm not that easily offended don't worry. I mostly just assumed since NPC Vampires could hit their vampirsm it was lore friendly to do so. But I'm no expert on ESO Vampire Lore. So if you say it's still an issue I"ll take your word for it.
What do you think about just adding a 10% magicka/stam passive to the undaunted skill line that works for non Vampires? Would you be ok with that?Edited by Jeremy on July 11, 2019 7:19AM0 -
damdamjel✭✭✭I dont recall any discrimination against vamps in this game. but thats it, thats the con of becoming a vamp, abilities over cosmetics,Edited by damdamjel on July 11, 2019 7:56AM0 -
Akihiro✭
Me too! I guess I'm still a bit new to the game. I didn't become a vampire for meta reasons because I have no idea what the meta is. I became a vampire because I really like vampires! It's my aesthetic.Anyway, I first became a vampire because I thought it was cool, not because it was meta, and I like the looks of the different stages, especially stage 1. I would like to see more options for hiding and showing different vampirism stages.
I really love having pale skin, red eyes, and fangs. I would love to have an option to select the stage of vampirism you want to appear as. If this was an option, I would keep my appearance as stage 1 vampirism.
Whenever I get close to stage 2, I go out and feed to get back to stage 1 appearance. Since I'm new and don't know the areas very well, it's a little inconvenient running around looking for non-innocents to feed on.
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✭You want your Vampire to look like it did at stage 1? Feed until you get to stage 1, but you sacrifice your passives to look normal.
This is at core what the Vampire is all about. But a few of you want to look pretty while wielding some of the best passives in game? Nope.
Being a Vampire is not just a passive buff for all characters just to have and ignore being a Vampire. In my opinion you should have to have a Vampire skill slotted to recieve the passives.
This is another reason why Vampire NEEDS to be more like werewolf instead of a ignore passive that everyone abuses.
except in alot of cases vampires get stronger when they feed.0 -
Duduck_III✭✭A makeup artist NPC who helps hide vampirism
PS4 EU
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✭Reposting my own post. Have fun.
I can't even imagine how often I've talked about the option to hide the freshly dipped face in flour look of vampirism. The foul look of vampirism in this game is not a part of the downsides of choosing to be a vampire. Our downsides are more vulnerability towards fire damage, lower health recovery and having Fighters Guild abilities deal significantly more damage to us. These downsides even apply to us in stage 1 where we have 0 benefits and basically human, yet we look like a vampire. Putting on a helmet is simply avoiding the issue.
I mean, we're all playing an MMORPG here. The RPG part is because you can customize your looks in so many ways and looks are important. We have regular costumes and disguises obtainable from quests. We have countless of obtainable gear and weapon styles and now we have the outfit system. Crown store even milks us with makeup, jewelry, hats, skins, polymorphs, personalities and body markings. As of today most skins require you to have access to DLC areas either with ESO+ or solo purchase of DLC. Only the frost skin obtainable during December is base game. There are few limits to how you design your character(s) and if looks did not matter we would not need all these ways of creating our own character. Yet, you cannot hide the veiny, dry and flaky skin of vampirism.
I did not spend plenty of time in character creation screen to have everything I did hidden under a body covering costume or overwritten by another skin. Using a disguise obtainable from quests sets your character back to what it looked like in character creation screen and removes all adornments added from Crown Store after character creation screen. So basically you cancel out any future purchases form crown store because you can't use them. This is also bad for ZOS' income. I want my casual skin because there is no reason as to why I shouldn't be able to hide it.
From a PvP perspective you may say that you NEED to know if your opponent is a vampire, tho you can activate ingame buff-trackers for that. Besides, would it matter if I was wearing the spiderkith skin, or my original skin in this case? I'm hiding the vampire skin with both but people find only one of them to be ok? Saying it's immersive breaking to some of the players is pathetic aswell. It's just as immersive breaking as having a fully heavy armor tank in a wedding dress or a nordic bath towel.
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✭For some reason want a wereboar skill line or skin for werewolves
Wereboars would be interesting less jumping around and morre charge attacks and unstopable and blocking attacks, boars are nasty when they are ticked off or enrage and are effected by the smell and such of blood moore then wolves.0 -
Slimebrow✭✭✭Why do you want to hide your vampirism? Isn't that supposed to be one of the trade offs for being a vampire? Otherwise what's the point of having vampirism in the first place when people just take it for passives and request for away to hide how "ugly" they look. You just want the skill line for passives and no downsides. If you want to look normal then get cured and sign up with a different skill line instead IMO.Edited by Slimebrow on July 21, 2019 2:21PM1 -
Ei8htba11✭✭✭✭Say you want the Dark Elf passives but feel that Dark Elves ugly (in your opinion), should there be a skin to hide that as well?
You're a vampire, you get the passives, they come with a 'look'.
I have 2 vampires, it's really a non issue (IMO at least).
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✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »The worst part about these patch notes is that we STILL can't hide vampire and are forced to wear an ugly skin or have the ugly vampire look. Something HAS to be done, this is unacceptable.
Don't want to be an ugly vampire?
Simples, head to shrine, cure vampirism.
Looking ugly should be mandatory for all Vamps IMO.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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Erelah✭✭✭✭Say you want the Dark Elf passives but feel that Dark Elves ugly (in your opinion), should there be a skin to hide that as well?
You're a vampire, you get the passives, they come with a 'look'.
I have 2 vampires, it's really a non issue (IMO at least).
Actually every Dark Elf player can change their look with all the skins in the game. If a tall Dunmer and a Short Altmer stand next to each other with certian skins on you cannot tell the race.
My Altmer has the blood forge skin, covers his eyes with the Naru's glasses and he passes for a Dunmer. I get all the Altmer passives and not of the Altmer looks.
Breton, Nord, Imperials, Reguards can do the same!2 -
Ei8htba11✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »...Looking ugly should be mandatory for all Vamps IMO....
Ugly? Rubbish, two of mine and they're fine:
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✭To all those "you choose to be a vamp, you have to look ugly" guys .. You are not very nice human beings .. since it doesn't cost you anything, and since there's reasons to be able to hide it, and since there's no reason not to .. it's just a will to grieve or some deep seated jealousy issues .. either way, you should look into a mirror, and be sorely disappointed ..
To all vamp wanting to hide their vampirism .. I'm using the "arctic rim" (peau de rime arctique) skin .. it may be because I'm an altmer, but I look almost perfectly normal with it. Absolutely no one could tell I'm a vamp.0 -
Ei8htba11✭✭✭✭But why hide it? Revel in it, rejoice in it, embrace it.
All these wanna be vampires, bah, yer all fakes
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To all those "you choose to be a vamp, you have to look ugly" guys .. You are not very nice human beings .. since it doesn't cost you anything, and since there's reasons to be able to hide it, and since there's no reason not to .. it's just a will to grieve or some deep seated jealousy issues .. either way, you should look into a mirror, and be sorely disappointed ..
Vamp is OP.
There must be some downsides to balance it out.
It can't be a gameplay penalty because all the World Of Darkness wannabes will flip their sh&% and whine endlessly.
So it HAS to be cosmetic.
Same for Werewolf, they should be extra hairy ALL THE TIME.
No one is forced to be either a Vamp or a WW, they chose to be.
I chose to main a Nord, but I'm also a Magplar, I don't whine I can't have Breton buffs to Magicka - and that IS a gameplay issue, far more important than a cosmetic issue.
In fact as a Magplar I'd benefit from being a Vamp, except I don't like how they look, so I chose not to.
You are correct, it doesn't cost me. But your choices should cost you - that is how life works.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »...Looking ugly should be mandatory for all Vamps IMO....
Ugly? Rubbish, two of mine and they're fine:
In your opinion.
In my opinion both are prime candidates for being staked, beheaded and burned - as the blood-sucking parasites they are.
That is what is supposed to happen to Vampires after all.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.0 -
morrowjen✭✭✭✭✭Different races and colors look very different when vampirism effects them in the game. The fair skinned Dunmer characters I play look great as vampires (hardly noticable in stages 1-2 because they were already designed to be fair skinned for dunmer - in fact, you wouldn't notice at all if vampirism didn't change dunmer eyes to human eyes with whites) but the jet black Argonian character I created is completely white and looks like she suffers from albinism rather than vampirism. The change for her is drastic.
TES lore exposits several types of vampires -- all with different abilities and/or weaknesses, including the ability to blend in without notice. And we meet characters with ESO that seemingly have that ability. It doesn't make sense for it not to be an option or at least be something that doesn't drastically effect the character until a certain level of vampirism has set in.
For those who think it's important to keep everyone from being a vamp - I don't get that (people are going to do it for RP or for build whether there's a vanity punishment or not). And to be frank, who cares if everyone else is a vamp as long as you have the choice to be whatever you want? If you think it's a gameplay advantage then punishing vampirism via a vanity hit doesn't help anyone.0 -
Ei8htba11✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »In your opinion.
In my opinion both are prime candidates for being staked, beheaded and burned - as the blood-sucking parasites they are.
That is what is supposed to happen to Vampires after all.
All The Best
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preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »To all those "you choose to be a vamp, you have to look ugly" guys .. You are not very nice human beings .. since it doesn't cost you anything, and since there's reasons to be able to hide it, and since there's no reason not to .. it's just a will to grieve or some deep seated jealousy issues .. either way, you should look into a mirror, and be sorely disappointed ..
Vamp is OP.
There must be some downsides to balance it out.
It can't be a gameplay penalty because all the World Of Darkness wannabes will flip their sh&% and whine endlessly.
So it HAS to be cosmetic.
Same for Werewolf, they should be extra hairy ALL THE TIME.
No one is forced to be either a Vamp or a WW, they chose to be.
I chose to main a Nord, but I'm also a Magplar, I don't whine I can't have Breton buffs to Magicka - and that IS a gameplay issue, far more important than a cosmetic issue.
In fact as a Magplar I'd benefit from being a Vamp, except I don't like how they look, so I chose not to.
You are correct, it doesn't cost me. But your choices should cost you - that is how life works.
All The Best
Nah, sorry .. your position on the matter is undefensible ..
We can, of course, consider it childish for the vamp to want a normal skin, and talk about it, but it's beside the point ..
Their position is that they want cake. Well, it's at the very least understandable, if not noble ..
Your position, however, is that some other person can't have cake. it's .. even less noble
How can anyone take that stand is beyond me
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✭✭Your position, however, is that some other person can't have cake.
My position is: choices have consequences.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't like how Vamps look, so I chose not to become a Vamp on a Magicka build. That was the choice, the consequence is I am less efficient than Magicka builds that chose Vamp.
I'll live with that.
People who chose to be a Vamp, knowing that Vamps look damn ugly, don't want cake, they want to have their cake AND eat it as well.
They want the choice, but not the consequences.
That is the attitude of an entitled child.
I am an adult; I understand my choices have consequences, and if I don't like the known consequences I should adjust my choices.
How you can conclude that is indefensible is... ...well, quite beyond me.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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