I am getting very sick from the phrase "if this goes live, the game is dead". We're hearing this since 2014 (release) and what is? ESO is still alive and in a very good condition, so I think we can be happy that the game hasn't been shut down.

Of course there are a lot of things already that you can buy for your characters, most of them are just cosmetics. You can also buy skyshards (if you have found them with one character) and soon skillines, yes.

But do you HAVE TO buy them?

No, you can still farm the skyshards on your own or level the skilllines without buying them.

Also: nobody NEEDS cosmetics. Of course if you find something cute/dangerous/amazing and you want it, don't hesitate and buy it, but in fact you would not need to buy it.

You don't get any advantage in the crown store that makes you stronger than anyone who hasn't bought these in the crown storage, therefore it's not P2W.

#getbeerinsteadofcrownskilllines

A level 10 in battlegrounds is meat. Doesn't matter if they have meteor or not.

Once you hit maybe level 30 or so, then scaling starts working in your favor and you have enough skill points to toss around. But by then anyone who wants mages guild or fighters guild can have it, soooo...

Nonissue? Is to me. And I haven't even touched how I feel about the argument that "curbstomping noobs" in pre 50 BGs is "winning" eso.

OP's point is that people who spend all their gold to destroy newbies in below 50 PVP are now able to buy skill lines they couldn't access before level 50 and gain an even higher advantage over them.

Curse me for playing the devils advocate here, but I understand your justification it's just that not all stats are scaled in below 50 PVP, so its possible for a level 10 to have dawnbreaker or temporal guard or mist form, but they still ARE NOT going to be able to output the same weapon damage as someone who has gear and is level 40+.

I can pretty much say that for most since we unlock undaunted at level 45, I honestly think that requirement should be removed if we're going to be able to buy it.

Sandman929 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

You can get that without buying anything already.

You won't be level 10, but by level 25 you can have everything you need

undaunted 10
fighters 10
mages 10
soul magic 6
every skyshard in the game

I'm level 24 curently but i'm almost there. Once I hit 30 and get gold gear i'll be hopping into baby pvp real quick see whats what.

Exactly this. This is the disadvantage a new player faces; current players who know what they're doing. A faster way to do it doesn't tilt the scales any further than they are right now.

Finally someone gets it.

CP are disabled in low-level PvP to prevent Level 10 characters of existing players from rofl-stomping Level 10 players who are truly new to game. If experienced players can unlock all these skills and passives for cash, it is going to unbalance low-level PvP just as much, if not more, than if experienced players could use their CP in low-level PvP.

Alts should need to reach Level 50 before they can buy achievement-based items from the cash shop.

Yes, you can max out these skill lines under Level 50 through normal gameplay. But you will gain a lot of XP along the way. Grinding dolmens will get you Fighters Guild, but you will practically hit Level 50 from all that dolmen grinding. Grinding out dungeon achievements will get you Undaunted, but you will practically hit Level 50 because the quest completion, map item completion, and the achievements themselves give lots of XP.

The XP gained from leveling these skills via normal gameplay put a significant limit on how long you will be able to use them in low-level PvP. That is gone if your Level 10 can just buy them for cash.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

CP are disabled in low-level PvP to prevent Level 10 characters of existing players from rofl-stomping Level 10 players who are truly new to game. If experienced players can unlock all these skills and passives for cash, it is going to unbalance low-level PvP just as much, if not more, than if experienced players could use their CP in low-level PvP.

Alts should need to reach Level 50 before they can buy achievement-based items from the cash shop.

Yes, you can max out these skill lines under Level 50 through normal gameplay. But you will gain a lot of XP along the way. Grinding dolmens will get you Fighters Guild, but you will practically hit Level 50 from all that dolmen grinding. Grinding out dungeon achievements will get you Undaunted, but you will practically hit Level 50 because the quest completion, map item completion, and the achievements themselves give lots of XP.

The XP gained from leveling these skills via normal gameplay put a significant limit on how long you will be able to use them in low-level PvP. That is gone if your Level 10 can just buy them for cash.

Exactly, and nobody is willing to admit that is directly buying an advantage.

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

OP's point is that people who spend all their gold to destroy newbies in below 50 PVP are now able to buy skill lines they couldn't access before level 50 and gain an even higher advantage over them.

Curse me for playing the devils advocate here, but I understand your justification it's just that not all stats are scaled in below 50 PVP, so its possible for a level 10 to have dawnbreaker or temporal guard or mist form, but they still ARE NOT going to be able to output the same weapon damage as someone who has gear and is level 40+.

I can pretty much say that for most since we unlock undaunted at level 45, I honestly think that requirement should be removed if we're going to be able to buy it.

Except that this is just patently a false statement.

All skill lines maxed are available to you pre 50. You can join undaunted at level 3. you can have literally every single skill line maxed by level 30 in a weekend....

lol @ CashshopTwink 2.0

It kind of sucks the populations are so low/levelling so fast they can't actually have players with zero CP practice against each other. I guess that's why they allow the big fish into the little pond - just so you can find other fish.

I wonder if a 250 CP and under restriction would help with the original intention of the under 50 camps.

wheem_ESO wrote: »

While it would certainly be unfair if my opponent had Dawnbreaker and I didn't

For once I actually am going to side with the try hards on this, because it has nothing to do with fair or unfair.

I just spend 5 hours grinding dawnbreaker to be used in baby pvp. You didn't.

That has nothing about fair. I did something, you didn't do and I have the reward for that thing I did.

Now, if I didn't do that thing or buy the thing and had it and you couldn't get it, sure thats unfair, but you have just the same ability to go and get dawnbreaker that anyone else does.

Is it a scummy thing to do? Subjectively in my opinion yes, and that is why I have never done it before, but this needed to be shown empirically that all this "You can't get these skills before 50" rhetoric posts are just false flags because people are made about something.