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Sustain if pts goes live
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MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because some people with a brain actually figured out complete builds that are centered around heavy attacks.
Try wrapping your "brain" around that ...
And that does not make me like them any more.They are extremely sluggish and boring.
Pressing light skill once a second is more exciting how?
you get to use your abilities rather than mindlessly hold down lmb.0 -
Chadak✭✭✭✭✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Morrowind was just one of many hatchet jobs the incompetent rubes that call themselves devs have inflicted on this game.
How does one hatchet job's severity diminish or negate another hatchet job's severity?1 -
Chadak✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.
How much dps are you going to do when you're out of your resources?
You're just going to have to live with DPS losses, or haven't you been paying attention to the patch notes?
Can't run on empty.
Thats why I personally build for balance instead of glass cannon. I build in a way for me to do decent damage consistantly and not run out of resources unless I get careless and do too many high bursts. We're going to have to test on the PTS and work together as a community to get back on track.
You have fun 'working together as a community'.
I don't buy tickets for rides that go nowhere and are operated by idiots.1 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
*** that
I like how people expect more sustain but want to do nothing about it. This is why I have no sympathy for you.
Heavy attack is the only thing you probably know how to do.0 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Morrowind was just one of many hatchet jobs the incompetent rubes that call themselves devs have inflicted on this game.
How does one hatchet job's severity diminish or negate another hatchet job's severity?
This what you call not learning from history.0 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
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Agree.
I've read one guy in a tank thread saying something pretty smart that most of us have miss :
the DPS buff of Mystic Orb. If it's good enough, mag dps could also slot it to help with sustain w/o scarifying dps.
I'll try that with guildy on pts.
Yeah the dps from mystic orb is so useful when it will be instantly gone the second you cast it!!!!Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.0 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭The crying in this topic is very strong
Its just like reading when Morrowind patch come out.
And people adapet and play. No big deal.0 -
ImSoPro✭✭✭TheInfernalRage wrote: »Suddenly, all my 7 lazy heavy attack builds will make more sense. My unconscious probably saw this coming... or I'm just lazy.
Subconscious*0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheInfernalRage wrote: »Suddenly, all my 7 lazy heavy attack builds will make more sense. My unconscious probably saw this coming... or I'm just lazy.
Subconscious*un·con·scious /ˌənˈkänSHəs/
noun
1.the part of the mind which is inaccessible to the conscious mind but which affects behavior and emotions.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 8, 2019 3:46PM2 -
ImSoPro✭✭✭Just gonna have to make a Breton. Run a good sustain set like lich or warlock for one of you’re 5 pieces. Or bright throats. Keep witchmothers brew handy and you’ll be well on your way to 2.3k sustain
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ImSoPro✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Just gonna have to make a Breton. Run a good sustain set like lich or warlock for one of you’re 5 pieces. Or bright throats. Keep witchmothers brew handy and you’ll be well on your way to 2.3k sustain
you can get 2k easy without those things(i have an argonian with 2k+the pot passive and a nord with 2.1k regen) and most healers do run that much already.
‘Tis is true. That Argonian pot passive is nice. I also have a Nord magden with 2.1 regen fully buffed. I was just giving some tips cause sustain isn’t hard to raise to 2k like you said. I usually like to OD on my sustain cause of my aggressive play style.0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Just gonna have to make a Breton. Run a good sustain set like lich or warlock for one of you’re 5 pieces. Or bright throats. Keep witchmothers brew handy and you’ll be well on your way to 2.3k sustain
you can get 2k easy without those things(i have an argonian with 2k+the pot passive and a nord with 2.1k regen) and most healers do run that much already.
‘Tis is true. That Argonian pot passive is nice. I also have a Nord magden with 2.1 regen fully buffed. I was just giving some tips cause sustain isn’t hard to raise to 2k like you said. I usually like to OD on my sustain cause of my aggressive play style.
This thread is about DPS in pve, I miss read the op . No DPS in pve is going to have 2k+ regen and do decent damage.0 -
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?
Heavy. Freaking. Attack. What's the mystery?0 -
ImSoPro✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Suddenly, all my 7 lazy heavy attack builds will make more sense. My unconscious probably saw this coming... or I'm just lazy.
Subconscious*un·con·scious /ˌənˈkänSHəs/
noun
1.the part of the mind which is inaccessible to the conscious mind but which affects behavior and emotions.
sub·con·scious
/səbˈkänSHəs/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
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of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
Influences ones actions therefore I feel like subconscious makes more sense here0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
you realize a sustain set makes you hit like a wet noodle.There's a reason they aren't used in pve.Only reasonable option I can even fathom is witchmother's,but the I would have the occasional person that complained abut 15k health.
Guess what, big boy .. you'll need to l2p.4 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Suddenly, all my 7 lazy heavy attack builds will make more sense. My unconscious probably saw this coming... or I'm just lazy.
Subconscious*un·con·scious /ˌənˈkänSHəs/
noun
1.the part of the mind which is inaccessible to the conscious mind but which affects behavior and emotions.
sub·con·scious
/səbˈkänSHəs/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
1.
of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
Influences ones actions therefore I feel like subconscious makes more sense here
because behavior doesn't mean actions, k.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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What's a "complete" build?
Because some people with a brain actually figured out complete builds that are centered around heavy attacks.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Try wrapping your "brain" around that ...
There is simply "best" and "rest". Your heavy attack builds fall into "rest". And that's fine, but its not optimal in the current patch and hasn't been for a very long time.
A "complete" build is one that can clear all the content in this game. Yes, you can clear vet DLC trials with a heavy attack focused build without being carried by your group.
Is it BiS at this moment in time? No. But that wasn't the question ...
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
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What's a "complete" build?
Because some people with a brain actually figured out complete builds that are centered around heavy attacks.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Try wrapping your "brain" around that ...
There is simply "best" and "rest". Your heavy attack builds fall into "rest". And that's fine, but its not optimal in the current patch and hasn't been for a very long time.
A "complete" build is one that can clear all the content in this game. Yes, you can clear vet DLC trials with a heavy attack focused build without being carried by your group.
Is it BiS at this moment in time? No. But that wasn't the question ...
I do some strange builds as well and I clear some tough content with them. Agreed.1 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭As has been mentioned - heavy attack.
Which is the intended source of sustain, along with enchants, CPs, and food/pots.
You can “ew” it all day long.
It’s still true.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯.2 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭And the “pausing to heavy attack” comments show how skewed the conversation has become.
If you bulld correctly, you don’t “pause” to heavy attack.
Heavy attacks are part of your rotation.
Yes, the super high numbers of the light attack cheese builds will become largely a thing of the past. Healers will have to focus on healing, tanks will have to take off those DPS sets and focus on resource management and the like, and DPS will have to take responsibility for sustain and situational awareness & survival.
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This, same as good old VO for stamina: perfect in add rich fights, vMA and easy content, not in long burns on bosses without much adds.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
*** that
I like how people expect more sustain but want to do nothing about it. This is why I have no sympathy for you.
Heavy attack is the only thing you probably know how to do.
You can't argue with anyone, can you? Your responses vary from "because you're dumb" to "because I'm better than you"... O.o why do you need to be aggressive and offensive and so arrogant?2 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because some people with a brain actually figured out complete builds that are centered around heavy attacks.
Try wrapping your "brain" around that ...
What's a "complete" build?
There is simply "best" and "rest". Your heavy attack builds fall into "rest". And that's fine, but its not optimal in the current patch and hasn't been for a very long time.
Who's talking about the current patch? This topic is about the future patch.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
*** that
I like how people expect more sustain but want to do nothing about it. This is why I have no sympathy for you.
You're not supposed to self sustain in a trial.
You're going to be forced to if these changes go live. That's exactly the point of this topic.
This upcoming patch is going to be hilarious, I can already tell from these responses. And I mean, hilariously bad.
Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.Edited by Kel on July 8, 2019 8:35PM0 -
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✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
*** that
I like how people expect more sustain but want to do nothing about it. This is why I have no sympathy for you.
You're not supposed to self sustain in a trial.
The Meta changes, you know? This is the Meta changing, by the looks of it. Either adapt somehow or come up with something to solve the issue, instead of sitting there being all entitled to your free sustain...
I mean... Are you a good player? If so, then you'll find a way. If you're not and you need your healer sustain carrying you this bad, well... L2p?1
