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Sustain if pts goes live
DeathStalker
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With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭necro lost cost (3k) on the tether abilities and still get resources back on them (~1327), together (~4327) that more then makes up for the cost of Skeletal Mage (which got buff of almost double the damage it has now, by the way) going to 4320 from 2430, 1890.
Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 7, 2019 8:24PM3 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
be problade. that's the way to go...Edited by xenowarrior92eb17_ESO on July 7, 2019 8:32PM0 -
MyKillv2.0✭✭✭✭✭
✭DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
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Oakmontowls_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭As stated earlier, your sustain skill just got it's cost removed, sustain will probably be the same if not better.2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?5 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...18 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.6 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.
Can't do dps if you don't have resources.
I'd imagine scrubs would also run out of resources and just light attack spam because they can't do anything else.
Few patches a go heavy weaving was a thing and the thing to do.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...13 -
UntilValhalla13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.
Maybe DD's will have to slot an aoe heal for heal checks in end game trials now.
It's up to the player to focus on dmg and part of that is having enough sustain to do that dmg. Maybe people will have to lose a bit now to sustain thats fine.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
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✭I will probably just swap my food and maybe a glyph. I would rather never heavy attack and lose a some damage.PvP needs more love.2 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.
Maybe DD's will have to slot an aoe heal for heal checks in end game trials now.
It's up to the player to focus on dmg and part of that is having enough sustain to do that dmg. Maybe people will have to lose a bit now to sustain thats fine.
that's boring.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
Yes but ZOS decided that to hit optimal dps you need to have 100% uptime on all your dots. Pausing to heavy attack means you’ll lose dps because the dots fall off.
Heavy attacking continues to be worse than cost reduction glyphs, sustain food and sustain glyphs. The only sustain choice that’s worse are the sustain sets.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.
Uhm... no. If you’re building towards zero sustain by yourself that’s your choice. You can do that but don’t expect others to cater to your needs just because you want the highest DPS yet you’re not willing to - at a certain degree - self-sustain.Edited by Seraphayel on July 7, 2019 10:22PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
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✭✭✭Heavy Attack every off-balance for an easy 10k resources back.
Provided they actually put a clear visual indicator.Edited by usmcjdking on July 7, 2019 10:28PM0331
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✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
I know it sucks, but I've found infused recovery, in addition to regen food/drink to just be one of the easier ways to sustain. Once I did that it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.1 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.
How much dps are you going to do when you're out of your resources?
You're just going to have to live with DPS losses, or haven't you been paying attention to the patch notes?
Can't run on empty.1 -
TheInfernalRage✭✭✭✭✭Suddenly, all my 7 lazy heavy attack builds will make more sense. My unconscious probably saw this coming... or I'm just lazy.6 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭we will just have to farm the new sustain monster set
PS NA
Have played all classes.
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MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.
Uhm... no. If you’re building towards zero sustain by yourself that’s your choice. You can do that but don’t expect others to cater to your needs just because you want the highest DPS yet you’re not willing to - at a certain degree - self-sustain.
No we are building towards damage sustain tools should come from elsewhere.2 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.
How much dps are you going to do when you're out of your resources?
You're just going to have to live with DPS losses, or haven't you been paying attention to the patch notes?
Can't run on empty.
No I'm probably going to be more of a *** in groups that can't provide proper support.0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »UntilValhalla13 wrote: »I mean, dps are meant to focus purely on damage. It's up to the support roles to provide them with what they need to do so. Maybe they just want everyone to move towards the beginner pet sorc heavy attack simulator.
Uhm... no. If you’re building towards zero sustain by yourself that’s your choice. You can do that but don’t expect others to cater to your needs just because you want the highest DPS yet you’re not willing to - at a certain degree - self-sustain.
No we are building towards damage sustain tools should come from elsewhere.
But sustain is part of your damage...PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »You have a free dmg skill now and a free sustain skill.
Plus a dot thats going to be good now.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »With all the skill cost increase (for Magicka Necro for example) what exactly are we supposed to do for sustain?Seraphayel wrote: »Heavy Attack.
There you go.
You have either two options. You either do the logical thing Sera mentioned and work in a heavy attack. OR... if you want to play this game like it a first person shooter and non-stop smash buttons, you compensate your build to have more resource regen. People need to stop acting like the sky is falling. Morrowind was a LOT more harsh and the game moved on just fine from that moment...expect for poor Deltia and his poor Templar.
Why on earth would anybody with a brain do a heavy attack?
Because heavy attacks restore resources, shocking I know. Its super secret information.
And they take forever and decrease your dps.You realize only scrubs use heavy attacks in rotations anyway.
How much dps are you going to do when you're out of your resources?
You're just going to have to live with DPS losses, or haven't you been paying attention to the patch notes?
Can't run on empty.
Thats why I personally build for balance instead of glass cannon. I build in a way for me to do decent damage consistantly and not run out of resources unless I get careless and do too many high bursts. We're going to have to test on the PTS and work together as a community to get back on track.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Damn, I don't know the notes but based on the reactions here - not only are they necessary, they are very much deserved.3
