Blinkin8r wrote: »

Fang Lair is a joke now after all the nerfs.

HM was not touched and is widely considered one of the hardest HM of the dlc dungeons.

I feel the same about vet Frost Vault
People hate that place

@MartiniDaniels you do not want to PUG fang lair HM.

@Blinkin8r normal and vet might be, but HM is not.

@IonicKai totally get what you are saying. It just sucks that, because I only started doing vet DLC dungeons a short time ago, I feel like I'm locked out of doing the older dungeons and getting achievements. It isn't theough lack of recruiting either. However, I am being careful to avoid becoming a pest and spamming chats.

You probably need better guilds. I like this dungeon and I even think the hardmode is not that hard, but I still wouldn't go with randoms.

Right now there is another problem with this dungeon. There are lots of telegraphed mechanics, but the game's performance gone south since Elsweyr, so the telegraphed area does not match. It shows something but it kills you right away. Recovery from death in this dungeon is hard. Dying because of game's bug is not fun and running this dungeon now is not fun either. You don't make any mistake yet you still die. How fun is that?

The same problem occurs in vSS HM. The trial is nice, but it's bull to progress it right now. Broken telegraphed AOE. Terrible.

exeeter702 wrote: »

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Fang Lair is a joke now after all the nerfs.

HM was not touched and is widely considered one of the hardest HM of the dlc dungeons.

Almost tanked it in an guild run, my mistake was agroing all the adds so I did not see the boss attack.

Problem is, you do vet dlc HM for achievement so you poke around to see if other is interested.

This dungeon, HM specifically, is my favorite and I'd love to do it but I'm on PC EU I would gladly do it for fun

Fang Lair HM is annoying because all it takes is one death to screw everyone over. If a dps dies and the survivng dps doesn't have the burn to kill a colossus when it's up, you're screwed because it's gonna go after the tank at some point, and the tank can't deal with the boss and the colossus at the same time. The aoe that pops up under player bodies when down also makes trying to revive them risky because while you're trying to deal with it, you might get hit by a ghost wall. I've seen too many people make dumb mistakes on that hardmode.

It’s extremely bugged right now. The last boss knockback will hit you outside of the telegraph, which leads to death by ghosts. Could be why nobody wants to run it at the moment.

Because of the telegraph issue.

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Fang Lair HM. Or, as I like to call it; "that thing that scares everyone into complete silence."

Seriously, on PS4 EU, why is everyone so terrified of this place!? I organize a vMoL run, no problem. Other vet DLC? "Sure thing pal! Love to help!" Black-flipping-rose prison. "Gear sucks there, but sure! SOUNDS FUN." As soon as I mention Fang Lair HM.

Crickets.
Silence.
Someone even left the guild I posted it in once.
4 guilds and not a single peep.

What have I got to do to get people into that damn thing? Do you want gold? Crowns? My limbs? Gratuitous pictures of my Bosmer? Someone, please just tell me what I gotta do to get people to run this damn thing so I can put that stupid skeleton dragon and that smug necro pleb man behind me. /rant

Its because of the telegraph issue for Cone attacks (which the last boss has a lot of) and General AoE issues as well. This is widespread across the game right now across all content. Every cone and AoE attack is bugging out and its not consistent so its not predictable making it very hard to complete or beat specific things because your progress is destroyed in the blink of an eye as you never know whether you're outside of the AoEs and cones or not (even though you are clearly outside of it in most instances, the triple cone the dragon does in Fang Lair HM has this issue. The consistent ghosts in the final phase of hardmode are also extremely buggy right now making it impossible to complete unless you're very lucky because it either bugs out or it doesn't its very RNG right now) They can sometimes kill you even when you're in the "safe gaps".

The boss also happens to disappear and re-appear seemingly at random at the beginning of the fight this can last anywhere between 10 seconds and 1 minute depending on how quick the tank is engaging the fight. I think a work around for it is to start with puncture instead of inner fire but I am unsure if its actually anything to do with the taunts and how the boss interacts with combat starting but it seemed to work off and on when we did it.

There is a thread talking about the telegraph issue and the state of things here;

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/482632/enemy-position-desync-and-aoe-telegraph-bug-this-is-not-how-you-develop-software#latest

I really hope more people check that thread out because more people need to be made aware of just how bad it is because it isn't players failing content right now its the game failing the players.

Its just so long... I can do it on normal mode for completion but I would only do hm with a group I knew had it in them. Dungeons just have a way of being incredibly drawn out if you arent prepared. Fang lair being one of the worse offenders up there with moon hunters, falkreath and scalecaller.

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Fang Lair is a joke now after all the nerfs.

jeah pretty weak now.

was rolled into a random normal run on mondays and got FL...
66% and 15% of the dmg came from me (jeah jeah fanketank pleb I know :P )and my healer who just provided synergies.
and it was a steamroll, mechanics do not matter at all on normal...and the other 2 dudes just got a free carry.

havent been in FL on vet for months, but since everybody says its way too overnerfed i might give it a shot for tripple achievement and some other missing achievements.

@SaintSubwayy Normal mode has always been cake. Vet isn't much more difficult. We are talking about Vet HM. That is a very different story.