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This game need an inspect option to show others gear
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Haquor✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Nobody's business what gear I use. The fact that other MMOs don't understand that makes ESO the better game.
Unless you queue for vets as a healer or join trials wearing medium hundings with a resto and *** everyone else around.
These people exist.
If the content is so easy or people are happy to carry you then yeah it doesnt matter. But in a group where they actually want everyone to contribute as effectively as everyone else (you know.... like MMOs should be) then it is relevant.
If people are not wearing something completely rediculous, showing they actually put minimal effort in to meeting the capabilities of thier chosen role then this feature would not be q problem.
Perhaps it could only be an option for viewing group members gear. If you are hiding your equipment from people you are grouping with then something is up there.Edited by Haquor on June 29, 2019 11:07PM1 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Nobody's business what gear I use. The fact that other MMOs don't understand that makes ESO the better game.
Unless you queue for vets as a healer or join trials wearing medium hundings with a resto and *** everyone else around.
These people exist.
If somebody fails to fulfill a role, that is what the vote kick system is for.9 -
Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭Ydrisselle wrote: »Ydrisselle wrote: »I'm not an elite player, never was,
I'm just asking for a basic functionality available in many other mmo.
I don't understand why people start talking about elitisme here,
And you still didn't told us why would you need that so badly. Plus you didn't seem to understand that knowing a player's gear will not tell you anything about the other important factors that defines the playstyle and the results of it.
maybe because when i see 1 player doing well in a group dungeon or in battleground, i want to understand what kinda of gear he's using, what kinda of enchant he's using, ...
Should i ask for an information and wait for an answer (maybe not what i'm looking for) when 2 clicks solve this ?
You wouldn't get enough information. You would know the sets, the enchants, the traits, but not the active and passive skills, the morphs, the food buff and the actual rotation. You would simply gimp yourself while trying to copy that gear. If you want to chase the meta so much, start doing your research in this forum, and on the theorycrafters' sites. If you don't know where to find that information... "you are not prepared"
- I only need gear,
- I don't want to check passives as i can take them all.
- for skills i can just check esologs (pve) or combat metric log to see what skill was used against me in pvp.
- The food is available under buffs (not many good food buffs btw as many are same with different names)
- the rotation can be deduced from 3 (only for pve)
and as i said i'm not an elite player, so this is not intended for kicking others because of their gear but help me get the info about the good gear to be used in pve but mostly in pvp
That you can still find on the theorycrafter sites I suggest you start digging. 7 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
ESO logs is very transparent. I have not played another game more transparent. On PC you can log any encounter you choose and find out exactly what the other players did and how well they did. Knowing what sets they wore is of little relevance as skill trumps everything in this game when it comes to how much DPS someone is doing.
There is your transparency. It will also log anyone in the area even if you are not grouped with them.
I will say I did play FF for less than a month and apparently ESO's logging is much like theirs but I never got to the raiding part.
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ydrisselle wrote: »I'm not an elite player, never was,
I'm just asking for a basic functionality available in many other mmo.
I don't understand why people start talking about elitisme here,
And you still didn't told us why would you need that so badly. Plus you didn't seem to understand that knowing a player's gear will not tell you anything about the other important factors that defines the playstyle and the results of it.
maybe because when i see 1 player doing well in a group dungeon or in battleground, i want to understand what kinda of gear he's using, what kinda of enchant he's using, ...
Should i ask for an information and wait for an answer (maybe not what i'm looking for) when 2 clicks solve this ?
Yes. If you simply want to copy what the other player has, ASK. I've never had someone not tell me what gear they have.
Still not understanding "what you're looking for", when seeing "with 2 clicks" won't tell you anything beyond "Hunding's rage".
That won't tell you where they allocated their attribute points, cp points, what enchants they're using, what food, what alchemy potions they're using like poison for their weapons or increase weapon power. If you do want all that information, then you seem to want to, how did you put it in an earlier post...cheese others with gear choice? Most pvp boils down to the current bis/fotm anyway.2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wear twice fanged serpent, vicious ophidian and heavy stormfist. Now you dont needa see.
All attributes in stam, basic skill bar, khajiit
Edit: I keep swapping 2h and DW as I’m still not sure whats betterEdited by Bobby_V_Rockit on June 30, 2019 2:30PM1 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Everything i hear about toxicity and elitism really make me want to play a high quality single player game. Shame there arent any around that suit me. Skyrim i have played to death and back again.
The Yakuza series. They are both high quality and singleplayer, and are coming to PC. Three are already there on Steam
Choose this to get yourself started: https://store.steampowered.com/app/638970/Yakuza_0/1 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
Because your transparency can considered invasive to another. People's desire for privacy can take many forms, have many different boundaries. Some people have a very low tolerance for having their stats revealed to the universe. Others just want to be left alione. Some people have had negative experiences with systems like this.
What you or others might find necessary or tolerable isn't shared by everyone.12 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭People act like we are asking for their Social Security number or credit card number.Sheesh.0 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Nobody's business what gear I use. The fact that other MMOs don't understand that makes ESO the better game.
Unless you queue for vets as a healer or join trials wearing medium hundings with a resto and *** everyone else around.
These people exist.
If the content is so easy or people are happy to carry you then yeah it doesnt matter. But in a group where they actually want everyone to contribute as effectively as everyone else (you know.... like MMOs should be) then it is relevant.
If people are not wearing something completely rediculous, showing they actually put minimal effort in to meeting the capabilities of thier chosen role then this feature would not be q problem.
Perhaps it could only be an option for viewing group members gear. If you are hiding your equipment from people you are grouping with then something is up there.
I think the first trash mob pull does an excellent job of demonstrating who is reasonably serious about their role and who is not. It is also much faster than trying to assess whether everyone's gear meets everyone's approval. I don't know about you, but if, when I entered a pug dungeon, I stopped to inspect the gear of others, the group would be two bosses into the dungeon already. . . .
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think some people might want the "inspect" option for PVP as well.
I'm 50/50 about it, too. Some people work really hard on their builds and don't want to share it. But then again, there's claims that if you combine certain sets in PVP- you can exploit them. So, I guess it's a way to find out who's exploiting the mechanics.
I really don't care if people know what sets I use. Honestly, it's just a damn video game.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
PC NA AD
Savos Saren1 -
fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Lol, this thread is getting pretty entertaining. As I said earlier, the ability to inspect is already here. We’re using it, we know what gear you’re using, we know your DPS, and your skills, your rotation, how many times you die, how many times you rez allies, which targets you were focusing and which you ignore. Worst case there might be a chuckle between “elitist end gamers”, nobody is getting kicked from random groups because they don’t have BiS gear. I believe it’s actually good for build diversity to see others doing well in “non-meta” setups.
So, to summarize:
And the fact that many don’t know that we know speaks to the non-toxicity of the community.
I mean, you're checking combat metrics and esologs and that's cool and all, and we get it you can see people's stuff during those specific scenarios, but in more competitive stuff than a four-man dungeon like battlegrounds and Cyrodiil people work hard to theorycraft builds and don't want people just taking them. There's a meta in PvE and sharing is caring. In PvP, it goes the other way.
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✭✭✭✭✭fullheartcontainer wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Lol, this thread is getting pretty entertaining. As I said earlier, the ability to inspect is already here. We’re using it, we know what gear you’re using, we know your DPS, and your skills, your rotation, how many times you die, how many times you rez allies, which targets you were focusing and which you ignore. Worst case there might be a chuckle between “elitist end gamers”, nobody is getting kicked from random groups because they don’t have BiS gear. I believe it’s actually good for build diversity to see others doing well in “non-meta” setups.
So, to summarize:
And the fact that many don’t know that we know speaks to the non-toxicity of the community.
I mean, you're checking combat metrics and esologs and that's cool and all, and we get it you can see people's stuff during those specific scenarios, but in more competitive stuff than a four-man dungeon like battlegrounds and Cyrodiil people work hard to theorycraft builds and don't want people just taking them. There's a meta in PvE and sharing is caring. In PvP, it goes the other way.
Seems like most of the negative replies are coming from the PVE side though. I guess I can see PvP builds wanting to be kept a little closer, but I still don’t really agree with it.
In PVP or PVE, anyone who knows the game mechanics can play detective and figure out your build. Many sets have a visual effect that can be immediately recognized by a knowledgeable player, others provide a named buff or debuff that can be viewed in real time or in data from addons. By fighting against someone, it’s possible to figure out most of their stats by how hard various abilities are hitting. Sure you may not know exactly what all an opponent is using, but 80-90% can be figured out pretty easily.
So any simpler form of inspection would mainly serve to help newer players, or those with less knowledge about the various sets and builds available. Doesn’t really mean anyone loses a competitive advantage, since I doubt this category is the biggest threat faced in PVP. The ones you need to worry about already have all the info they need.
And in PVE, I’d bet there are 10 positive ways the tool is used to improve for every 1 negative experience where someone was toxic about another’s build.4 -
quadraxis666✭✭✭✭✭
✭You want an inspect option? Just go to the church of alcast and look at what the cult leader himself tells the plebians to wear because that's what they're all wearing.
Are they getting the same results? You already know they aren't.
Clothes don't make the man, and gear doesn't make the player. There's a level of physical skill and mental capability also required to play well and read situations and make quick decisions, and not all humans are created equal in that respect.
Seeing the gear a player has equipped won't give you any useful information at all.7 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭jainiadral wrote: »I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
Because your transparency can considered invasive to another. People's desire for privacy can take many forms, have many different boundaries. Some people have a very low tolerance for having their stats revealed to the universe. Others just want to be left alione. Some people have had negative experiences with systems like this.
What you or others might find necessary or tolerable isn't shared by everyone.
To repeat, every MMO I have played that has this option ALWAYS has a privacy option. So you can turn it off if you Don't want others to see your stuff, or you can show off your stuff to others without having to stop what you are doing to answer questions.
I don't see where it's the big deal some people are making it out to be.
IMHO
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eovogtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Why do you even need this?
You can always ask if curious.
ESO is less about gear than rotation and understanding game mechanics anyways.
If you are in serious score pushing where this is actually relevant you know what your team mates are wearing anyways.
I would prefer bug fixes...
ESO is very much about gear? I mean rotations and mechanics too, but gear is very very very important to doing high end dps.0 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭barney2525 wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
Because your transparency can considered invasive to another. People's desire for privacy can take many forms, have many different boundaries. Some people have a very low tolerance for having their stats revealed to the universe. Others just want to be left alione. Some people have had negative experiences with systems like this.
What you or others might find necessary or tolerable isn't shared by everyone.
To repeat, every MMO I have played that has this option ALWAYS has a privacy option. So you can turn it off if you Don't want others to see your stuff, or you can show off your stuff to others without having to stop what you are doing to answer questions.
I don't see where it's the big deal some people are making it out to be.
IMHO
Guess you didn't play SWTOR, then. That game had no privacy protection and people did have issues with other players over inspections. There were periodic threads about it on the forums. I personally didn't have problems, but like everything else, you can't discount others' experiences. Considering how much of a fight it took to get Anon by default turned on for ESOlogs, I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS forgot basic opt out functionality.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of inspection options, but it's not personally a big issue for me. I'l gladly register my opinion against it but I'm not quitting if ZOS decides to implement it. I was mostly trying to get the OP to understand that there's a spectrum of opinions on the issue and potentially legitimate concerns as well.
If you look at ESO's population based on the survey last month, there's a surprisingly large population of primarily solo players. What was it, 44% playing exclusively or mostly solo? That's the largest percentage I've seen on any MMO forum, ever. I'm guessing that has something to do with the way the forum discussion is running. Lone wolves like to be left alone, or they like to have control over their infornation and interaction.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »People act like we are asking for their Social Security number or credit card number.Sheesh.
No, I just realize it is meaningless information and would rather Zos not waste their time on something so unimportant.7 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What do you REALLY care what anyone else is running? Why do you NEED such information?
It’s just another means of having some kind of excuse when you die. The other guy wasn’t wearing meta. Get over yourself and get better at the game OOOOOOO PPPPPPP.3 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭jainiadral wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
Because your transparency can considered invasive to another. People's desire for privacy can take many forms, have many different boundaries. Some people have a very low tolerance for having their stats revealed to the universe. Others just want to be left alione. Some people have had negative experiences with systems like this.
What you or others might find necessary or tolerable isn't shared by everyone.
To repeat, every MMO I have played that has this option ALWAYS has a privacy option. So you can turn it off if you Don't want others to see your stuff, or you can show off your stuff to others without having to stop what you are doing to answer questions.
I don't see where it's the big deal some people are making it out to be.
IMHO
Guess you didn't play SWTOR, then. That game had no privacy protection and people did have issues with other players over inspections. There were periodic threads about it on the forums. I personally didn't have problems, but like everything else, you can't discount others' experiences. Considering how much of a fight it took to get Anon by default turned on for ESOlogs, I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS forgot basic opt out functionality.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of inspection options, but it's not personally a big issue for me. I'l gladly register my opinion against it but I'm not quitting if ZOS decides to implement it. I was mostly trying to get the OP to understand that there's a spectrum of opinions on the issue and potentially legitimate concerns as well.
If you look at ESO's population based on the survey last month, there's a surprisingly large population of primarily solo players. What was it, 44% playing exclusively or mostly solo? That's the largest percentage I've seen on any MMO forum, ever. I'm guessing that has something to do with the way the forum discussion is running. Lone wolves like to be left alone, or they like to have control over their infornation and interaction.
I agree, ESO is a single player mmo for new players. I've spent more than a year playing solo before getting into trials.2 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jainiadral wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »I'm just asking for transparency.
I'm starting to think this isn't the right game or the right forum to ask for this.
Because your transparency can considered invasive to another. People's desire for privacy can take many forms, have many different boundaries. Some people have a very low tolerance for having their stats revealed to the universe. Others just want to be left alione. Some people have had negative experiences with systems like this.
What you or others might find necessary or tolerable isn't shared by everyone.
To repeat, every MMO I have played that has this option ALWAYS has a privacy option. So you can turn it off if you Don't want others to see your stuff, or you can show off your stuff to others without having to stop what you are doing to answer questions.
I don't see where it's the big deal some people are making it out to be.
IMHO
Guess you didn't play SWTOR, then. That game had no privacy protection and people did have issues with other players over inspections. There were periodic threads about it on the forums. I personally didn't have problems, but like everything else, you can't discount others' experiences. Considering how much of a fight it took to get Anon by default turned on for ESOlogs, I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS forgot basic opt out functionality.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of inspection options, but it's not personally a big issue for me. I'l gladly register my opinion against it but I'm not quitting if ZOS decides to implement it. I was mostly trying to get the OP to understand that there's a spectrum of opinions on the issue and potentially legitimate concerns as well.
If you look at ESO's population based on the survey last month, there's a surprisingly large population of primarily solo players. What was it, 44% playing exclusively or mostly solo? That's the largest percentage I've seen on any MMO forum, ever. I'm guessing that has something to do with the way the forum discussion is running. Lone wolves like to be left alone, or they like to have control over their infornation and interaction.
I agree, ESO is a single player mmo for new players. I've spent more than a year playing solo before getting into trials.
Not sure what you mean by "new players." A lot of solo players are multi-game MMO vets. *points to self*3 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭...and what is the bet that he will bowl along here, shortly, mortally offended that someone pointed out his typo, even as a joke?
Meanwhile, thinking it's absolutely fine to insist on the ability to inspect random people, without their permission.
Which 9/10, in my experience, leads to prejudiced reactions and trolling, far more than it does anything productive, or positive.0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LadySinflower wrote: »There are people in the game, myself included, for whom a style preview would be a great thing.
I wouldn't mind that, personally.
What I want to avoid, is people just, innocently, standing in town being inspected, questioned and/or trolled about their gear.
"Why do you wear this? Why don't you wear that, it's better..." etc..
Not everyone wants to discuss their gear choices with people who think everyone wants their unasked for advice, all the time.
Bad enough people can do it in certain situations, anyway.
Edited by Tigerseye on July 1, 2019 8:23AM3 -
thumpthing✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
People. We're why we can't have nice things.
I'm stealing that quote and telling everyone I made it up k?
Oh and yeah, would be neat to be able to see guildies gear... of course you could just get everyone to use uespLog then you'd see everyones gear offline - just have to turn the damned addon off when you're done with it - whooo dat's some stankware
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »
No FF14
Pretty much the same thing. Don't you worry. ESO is joining them as one treadmill dungeon grinding game.
not the same thing, FF14 is 100 times better- Better performance, no 40 fps with a 8700k and 1080ti i run max the game at 90 fps min everywhere
- No Hero Engine
- No *** LFG broken tool
- No lags
- Better pve dungeon, lore and areas
- Better raid (24 players)
- Better story quest
- 17 classes you can have on 1 single character
- and just Shadowbringer come out today
Quite possibly, as this game is a mess in many ways, but one way FF14 is not better is the fact it has random player inspect.
So, all this is irrelevant, as it's like pointing out the rubbish tip, in an otherwise beautiful landscape and trying to claim that is part of what makes it beautiful.
No, that is one of the things that detracts from it.0
