Alcast wrote: »

Woeler and I are changing to a new service so we had to move the servers. we are currently relocating and it might take up to 24 hours for it to work again.

Ok, good to know...

jhall03 wrote: »

Itacira wrote: »

@Inaya @jhall03 What do you guys do with your lives that 3 to 6 wasted hours are ''nothing''. Why do you play, if not to unwind ? Do you have family lives ?!

@Itacira Yes I have family and a full-time job; You sound presumptuous there. And that's all you need to know about my personal life.

My opinion is basing the Psijic grind in comparison to the other grinds. Other guild grinds take much longer. Hence the reason I don't know why people complain about this 3-4 hour grind. And on top of that, you start getting fun skills to use after the first 30 minutes so it doesn't have to be done in one sitting.

I'm sorry that this sounded presumptuous but since you're not the first person to actually comment on how relatively "quick" some in game activities that actually take hours are, I'm trying to understand where it comes from. Other than "back in my days" snobbery.

In a game with no class change where one has no choice but to roll new characters and start from scratch in order to experience new class content, it seems absurd to me that so much content relies on this kind of repetitive bland questlines. Especially a game that, that aside, usually has very good stories that make running around on quests MEANINGFUL most of the time.

Now, if the Psijic grind is better than the others, then all the better, but does that make this kind of POINTLESS grind entertaining ? Not really. "Could be worse" isn't an acceptable measure of an activity's quality to me.

I'm not against grind as a whole, of course. That's the bread and butter of long lasting online games such as this. Grinding for gear ? ok to me, specially since I can use the bank to equip a toon with gear I farmed on another char'. Seems balanced, seems fair. You do the work, you're rewarded for it. And if you don't have time for it you have alternatives, such as buying it from another player. And I insist on the "time" factor of it because as I said I've read time and again on forums involving the TESO community that so and so thing is "easy don't be lazy go and work for it it only takes x hours". I apologize that I came too strong at you if that's not an attitude you support but your words echoed this to me. As did @Inaya 's, and I apologize equally to you if I misinterpreted. Otherwise, my saltiness will equal yours, I suppose, and we'll stay at that.

As players we have to stop accepting inane mechanics such a these, void of meaning, that are only in the game to make it last artificially longer while not providing anything new or exciting to the player. The game needs content to last, of course : it's up to us, players, to remind developpers not to forget the entertainment aspect of it when they do.

And if you don't see an issue in the grind, good for you. I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. It's a non-issue for you. That doesn't make it any less of an issue to other people, and any less of an actually important one to point out to the devs.

EDIT: fixing typos here and there

Ildun wrote: »

What *** me off is the excuse they give you that they cannot help, is they are too powerful, their presence will affect blah blah blah

Powerful my a**, what the whole psijic order story and Summerset story show me is how stupid and incompetent they are.

ehhh thats more down to the writing and production than the actual faction itself. The lore outside of ESO does a much better job with them.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The design is intentionally grindy. Said it before, but whoever had final say on that questline going live should not be employed by ZOS (he/she should probably work in a dentist's office or perhaps the DMV, because clearly, they hate people).

Do this thing in summerset, now do it again all over tamriel, then do it some more. Now do something slightly different, now go back to the first thing and do that some more, then do that different thing a few more times, do the first thing again, after 6 hours, go one shot a stupid easy boss.

This is the worst piece of content in ESO, period.

Hey, don't insult the DMV like that! It's far less grindy

The major redeeming quality of other guild grinds is that you have some interesting story dungeons when you rank up, rather than a bunch of dull-as-dishwater three-line story convos in between grind quests.

I've only done the full questline on one toon and the Summerset part on a second. I can't muster the will to do even the starter on a third. Getting saddled with the horrible Augur makes the experience unbearable.

I like the Mage’s Guild quest line. I’ve done it on most characters and still enjoy it.

I like the Fighter’s Guild quest line. I’ve done it on most characters and still enjoy it.

I detest the Psijic quests. I’ve done it once and never again. It’s 90% grind and 10% story (if that). Running all over Tamriel to close rifts got old so fast. It’s really poorly thought out and implemented.

Still prefer Psijic Order quest line than Undaunted. Undaunted for me is the reason why I don't play on my alts: I know I gimp myself not leveling it up and I hate leveling it so much that I simply quit playing those characters.

maboleth wrote: »

AVaelham wrote: »

It's not as bad as the Mages/Fighters/Undaunted grind, to be honest. You get the chance to take a moment and explore the surroundings a bit more than usual. But since some people are only about rushing in this game, I can see how that would be a pain.

I totally agree. Sometimes I wonder why do these people play this game after all. You see nothing, you hear nothing, you experience nothing. Waste of time, IMO.

By the time my character get to do the psijic quest line I have already explored those zones. Why would i do that again ?

Mage guild get caped just by picking up the book while completing main quest at least.

Psijic is a chore you cant really do while questing.

I liked it. Maybe tedious on the 3rd, 4th character,. But the first was fun.

daedalusAI wrote: »

It's quite interesting to see that the scope for the Psijic quest line wasn't "How can we create a fun and in-depth quest line" but rather "Let's create a superficial quest line based on running around in Tamriel closing portals/collecting items - and once a player thinks he's done running around he has to run another round".

I despise such "works", because I reckon their creators wouldn't find it fun themselves, having to run around chasing portals/items as the only activity during the quest line.

To a certain extent I agree. The first time I went through it was reasonably engaging. 3rd... 4th... not so much, its boring and extremely time consuming.

However, the skill line is also very powerful and I think that it was intentionally made to discourage everyone from simply picking up very powerful skills. If you want them, you have to work for them.

daedalusAI wrote: »

It's quite interesting to see that the scope for the Psijic quest line wasn't "How can we create a fun and in-depth quest line" but rather "Let's create a superficial quest line based on running around in Tamriel closing portals/collecting items - and once a player thinks he's done running around he has to run another round".

I despise such "works", because I reckon their creators wouldn't find it fun themselves, having to run around chasing portals/items as the only activity during the quest line.

On the plus side, it's purely optional. Literally nothing in that skill line is mandatory for any build and is only there for flavor / build variety.