Are racial passives balanced?

Drako_Ei · June 2019

What is the wrost class in the game? Talking ONLY about racial passives and not look/lore.

¿What race needs a serious buff/redesign?

Aliyavana · June 2019

Bosmer

No, argonians have racials and bosmer racials being tied to dodge are impractical

Drako_Ei · June 2019

Argonian

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, argonians have racials and bosmer racials being tied to dodge are impractical

I agree if i could vote twice i would do bosmer

Alpheu5 · June 2019

That's a lot of options for a yes/no question.

JobooAGS · June 2019

Bosmer

Bosmer juat needs stealth (not counter stealth) to be returned which is the biggest offender imo. Perhaps they should get some stealth damage to fit their hunter like nature that zos is emphaizing in exchange for some max stam or stam regen. On the other hand, there is also the lore hole with Argonians and poison resists. Additionally Orc seems overtuned having both top damage, sprint bonuses/sustain, hp and hp regen and Redguard's snare resistance can be reworked also Redguard seems pigeonholed in general with the Martial Knowledge passive.

kypranb14_ESO · June 2019

Orc

I think Orc could use another 258 Weapon Damage, another 1k health, maybe throw in another 10% sprint speed...

Just kidding.

phaneub17_ESO · June 2019

Bosmer

Should have been like the Bretons who have a cost reduction to all magicka abilities, Redguards are in the middle ground having a cost reduction to weapon abilities be it stamina or magicka, Imperials are the well-rounded with cost reduction to everything, and then have Bosmer be the version with a cost reduction to all stamina abilities.

I would move the Movement Speed buff to Argonians when they emerge from swimming onto land and increase their magicka from 1000 to 1500.

twing1_ · June 2019

Argonian

When ZOS rebalanced the races, they allotted every race the equivalent of ~6.5 item set bonuses in their racial passives.

At the time, item set bonuses to healing done were valued at 2%, so argonians were given an entire 3 set bonuses to healing done (6% total). Since the rebalance, however, item set bonuses to healing done have been readjusted to 4%, while the argonian passive remains at only 6%.

This means that the argonian bonus to healing done is now valued at only 1.5 set bonuses, and that argonians have suffered a net loss of 1.5 item set bonuses in their racial passives. The result of this is that argonian passives in their entirety are valued at just 5 item set bonuses, while every other race's passives are valued at 6.5.

Argonians could use a boost.

Edit: link to a comprehensive and definitively balanced complete racial overhaul

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459197/racial-rebalance-v4-3-x#latest

Vicinia · June 2019

Argonian

Argonians aren't even the best at what they're supposedly tailor-made for, which is healing.

I'm not a fan of argonians (they're my least favorite race) but they are certainly in need of help.

shimm · June 2019

Bosmer

Bosmer Hunter’s Eye is the worst of all racial passives. By far.

idk · June 2019

Wow, the title is almost irrelevant to the question being asked in the OP. Nothing about the title is actually mentioned.

All the class are pretty well balanced with a good mix of choices. One thing we do know for a fact is Zos has no interest in making changes or even considering changes to racial passives at this point as they have said as much.

As such I would expect they are not reviewing threads on the subject as it would be pointless.

BigBragg · June 2019

It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your build. The options are to broad to properly answer such a veque question.

bmnoble · June 2019

I don't believe they should be balanced, your suppose to be playing different races, not just a different skin.

Tommy_The_Gun · June 2019

Argonian

Argonian & Bosmer. Those are the worst out of all 10 races when it comes to racial passives. Because of that, both races suffer from a "lack of use-case"

Argonian:
- Bottom tier race out of all "tank" races (the race considered for a tank role). Argonians are getting outperformed by others by a lot.
- Worst Magicka race for a healer role (literally, all of the magicka races give significantly better performance at healer role).
- Worst DPS race overall (both magicka & stamina)
- Mediocre a PvP at best (used to be often pick because of the Poison resists, that is now gone & additional healing, that is also gone.

Bosmer:
- Probably worst stamina DPS race (because of the roll dodge passive that only screws up your rotation).
- Very Bad at tanking & healing roles.
- Their Passive is only useful for PvP really.

In the next racial rebalance those 2 races would need to be looked at & receive a adequate buff to be on pair with other races. It is easier to buff 2 (or 3 if you count imperials too) than to nerf 8 races.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Argonian

Well, both Argonians and Bosmers were part of broken irritating PVP builds, so ZOS nerfed them instead of nerfing those builds, typical solution. Some item set OP when paired with class? Nerf whole class. Some build OP based on racial passives? Nerf whole race.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Argonian

idk wrote: »

Wow, the title is almost irrelevant to the question being asked in the OP. Nothing about the title is actually mentioned.

All the class are pretty well balanced with a good mix of choices. One thing we do know for a fact is Zos has no interest in making changes or even considering changes to racial passives at this point as they have said as much.

As such I would expect they are not reviewing threads on the subject as it would be pointless.

Come on, it's obvious for everyone that orc has 1 set bonus more then other races. For unknown reasons, simply because somebody in combat team decided - let's make orc OP and buff max stamina from 500 to 2000, cause why not?

madeeh91rwb17_ESO · June 2019

Can't believe people are calling for a bosmer buff.

Also, the agonian potion button is the best "oh schitt" button any race has in the entire game.

Ildun · June 2019

Perhaps it is not fair, but I do think Nord should have 2k health or even higher, they are tough race.

I always thought Nord should have highest health, orc should have highest weapon damage and Redguard should have highest stamina regen

Xarc · June 2019

Breton

when you come in glenumbria you see a lot of breton knights, with heavy armors, swords...
I just do not understand why bretons are 100% magicka when Altmers have a possibility to get a stamina passive. We cant play a breton knight in this game, we HAVE to play a magicka breton, all passives are magicka.
Bretons in lore, came from Direnni (altmers) and humans (nedes). Just tell me why bretons are 100% magicka ?

This kind of character isnt op actually in TESO.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Argonian

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Can't believe people are calling for a bosmer buff.

Also, the agonian potion button is the best "oh schitt" button any race has in the entire game.

Bosmer will be ok if they replaced penetration on roll-dodge for weapon damage and stealth detection for stealth radius.
Why weapon damage better? Because roll-dodge is defensive in majority of cases and extra WD will buff vigor, as well as in PVE temporary WD is more valuable then temporary penetration, because you build to reach penetration cap (in raid conditions).

Argonian "6% healing done" now is laughable given that healing sets were buffed from 2% healing done to 4%. Only this one change requires immediate boost of Argonian healing to 10% at least, by simple logic of ZOS that they matched racials to item sets. But that is shoe-horning to healing to much, better will be to buff max magicka/max health, so argonians will be equal to imperials in tanking and somewhat more viable for magdpsing then they are now.

Looking at racials it's easy to see that devs cared about 3 races - bretons, orcs and nords, for this races all passives are in synergy with each other. Other races received random changes which are overall reasonable in PVP, but in PVE one third of them is useless due to how PVE min-maxing works.

barney2525 · June 2019

bmnoble wrote: »

I don't believe they should be balanced, your suppose to be playing different races, not just a different skin.

I agree. But some of the passives are just worthless. What were people thinking when they decided " OK, we're going to have a passive that replenishes the traits the character does NOT use. You a magicka build? Replenish stamina. Stamina build? Replenish magicka.

wtf?

Vermethys · June 2019

Bosmer

From a PvP perspective and for the roles they're meant to fill in PvE, I think Imperial, Nord, Orc, Redguard, Breton, and High Elf are balanced and provide interesting choices for builds. The rest are lackluster, especially Wood Elf and Argonian.

Jaraal · June 2019

Bosmer

Bosmer's core value and established lore of 20 years of stealth was replaced with a PvP only niche build passive that actually puts them at a disadvantage. Passive stealth detection alerts hidden enemies to the presence of a Bosmer 3 meters further away than any other race, as their "eye" will partially open before the Bosmer even knows they are there. And it has exactly zero use in PvE, which is the preferred playstyle of the majority of wood elf players.

The other part of the passive requires you to burn stamina while doing no damage in order to get a penetration buff that is usually unnecessary in PvE, and doesn't equal the damage you could have been doing while staying on your feet in any situation. And you will run out of stamina by roll dodging to get +10% speed for 6 seconds a lot quicker than if you just pressed the sprint button and ran.

Easily the most puzzling change in the 5 years this game has been around.

x48rph · June 2019

Bosmer

Bosmer and argonian ones are an affront to lore.

Will they ever change them? Probably not considering they nerfed everyone's sustain food instead of adjusting the ones(Orcs) that were over performing. They would rather pat themselves on the back about the great job they did while turning a blind eye to all the problems and complaints.

Jaraal · June 2019

Bosmer

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Can't believe people are calling for a bosmer buff.

The other Bosmer passives are good, it's just Hunter's Eye that needs work. And maybe giving poison immunity back to Argonians in exchange for the disease immunity like we had for almost 5 years.

ryzen_gamer_gal · June 2019

racial skills are racist

Ratzkifal · June 2019

Argonian

Since you specified that this is not about lore, definitely Argonians. Their healing done bonus is just underpowered and their sustain isn't even better than Imperial's, leaving them in a terrible spot in the meta. Apart from maybe a build for beginner tanks, Argonians are never BiS for anything while every other race can shine in at least one niche. They need their poison resistance back and their max magicka is a very sad amount to be even considered as a dps option. For healers Breton outshine Argonian sustain by far and the healing done bonus just doesn't make a difference on the sustain as using 2 BoL will heal the target to full with or without 6% healing done. And not to mention that Altmer even have more healing done than Argonians in most cases thanks to their spell damage bonus which also allows them to be a decent dps. PvP is the only place Argonians are not terrible, but I would still say that other races are better there.

If we do look at the lore too though, then Bosmer come in second. The lore clearly states that they are great at hiding thanks to centuries of practicing the Rite of Theft, so much so that they even have a poem on the one-thousand benefits of hiding.
The rest of Hunter's Eye passive is alright, but it would be more useful if the penetration wasn't tied to dodgerolling but instead a permanent bonus. The movementspeed after the roll is completely fine though.

Third on the list (if we look at lore) are Altmer, who could get a more useful passive instead of spell recharge. Stamina regeneration has never been their thing. Even though the lore would want them to have magicka sustain, ZOS clearly spoken out against that and the way they balanced passives now, I can understand why they don't want them to have both power and sustain. Doesn't mean their passive needs to be as boring and unlorefriendly as stamina return though. They said they wanted to represent their believes in destiny and birthright? Well that sounds like increased mundus stone potency to me...

Third on the list if we don't look at lore are Nords in my opinion. They should get 2000 stamina like everyone else with stamina boni. No reason for them to not have that.

My suggestion for nerfing/tweaking Orcs would be to change their sprint passive to reduced breakfree cost. Orcs haven't really been known to be fast sprinters nor long persistence hunters, which the sprint passive suggests. Instead of the fast Orc you can't run away from, I prefer the image of the unstoppable Orc that just walks off your cc and that you should run away from.

Dr_Ganknstein · June 2019

Argonian

I dont know what they were thinking with orc passives. Weapon damage, stamina, speed, health.
Argonian - extra 4k when drinking potion...because you will.need it since everything else sucks.

Devanear · June 2019

Dunmer

So many different questions, this is a very confused poll

Anyway, can I just have my massive buff please? Thank you!

Diundriel · June 2019

Argonian

they d0ouobled healing done by set piece bonuses, so should they do also for the argonian racial passive

DreadDaedroth · June 2019

Argonian

Argonian racial passive has been ruined when they tried to rebalanced them but they'd not revert their mistake because else it'd an admission.

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