Did I made a mistake returning to ES0?

SteveCampsOut · June 2019

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Yes you made a mistake Wow fanboy. The bugs have always been here.

Path · June 2019

Depends on your playstyle.

If you love PVE, open beautiful worlds, you are in the right place.

JKorr · June 2019

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Why are you asking total strangers on a forum to decide whether you made a mistake playing again?

You have to have someone else make up your mind for you? You want to copy King Emeric's method of doing things?

If you thing the game is too buggy, and ruins the enjoyment of playing it, don't play it. The forums upset you for whatever reason, then stay away. If WoW is working flawlessly and you're having fun, guess you should be playing that then. Not sure their forums are any better, but hey, "smooth and flawless"....go for it.

Jeremy · June 2019

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

I would say it depends what your priorities are. If you like to explore, do quests and dungeons then this game is worth trying over WoW in my opinion. It does have it's fair share of bugs, and the quality of the game itself has been taking a downward turn as of late. But it still has a very rich world to explore with an enjoyable combat system which is far superior to that of World of Warcraft. It's also a lot more fun to experiment with different builds and gives you more options and interesting choices as a player. Though the landscape difficulty does need to be turned up a notch.

If you're big into PvP though - I would stick with WoW probably because I can't recommend this game on it's PvP merits. The damage is way out of control - so much so to the point it's dumb. Just a lot of offensive builds running around using macros and dropping ultimates on people or zergs slaughtering inferior numbers. Then there is the lag - which can be god awful at times. It's good for a disgusted laugh due to just how comically bad it is. But that's about it.

Qbiken · June 2019

Yes

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

Reverb wrote: »

SilverPaws wrote: »

Matter about what content ingame are you looking for.
If you just want to quest or do housing then game is fine.
If you want to go PvP or endgame raiding then it's really not game for you. PvP is unplayable most of the time and even in trials the ping is just really bad.

Pretty much this. If you like to adventure, craft, or decorate, and treat your mmos as a solo pve game with a social community, you’ll be very happy with eso. If you prefer pvp or group content this game is maddening, due to the bugs, connectivity, and zeni’s poor communication on all of it.

Hmm, and yet our guild manages to do one or two trials a day at peak time on the EU server with no issues at all. Those who do complain about FPS always admit it's down to their potato rig or *** internet connection. Last night we had one bug in nHRC where an overcharger got stuck in a wall near the start and we had to restart the trial, that's the first time we've had to do that. An occasional glitch is usual in a complex bit of coding, but the way some people describe it here you'd think it was a case of 100% uptime bugs online.

For proof here is last night's trial events:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/439991332?t=00h03m35s

LiraTaurwen · June 2019

Ravena wrote: »

What are these bugs everyone keeps talking about? I play every day and I'm genuinely wondering.

If you are genuinely wondering than just look around the forum a bit...

Delsanab14_ESO · June 2019

Just as a side note, NEVER listen to anyone that says you can play this game forever..

We're talking about a 5 year game wherein the vast majority of pledges, content, dungeons, and other such things you'll do is 70% or greater from the base content. This game is heavily grind intensive and you'll reuse the same abilities ungodly amounts of times.

There is not "forever" amount of content in this game.

That's just crazy to state.

Mayrael · June 2019

Square252 wrote: »

I'm also a returning Player. I started with ESO around 2015 after the Tamriel Unlimited Expansion as far as I remember. Stopped after a few weeks for time reasons and started again around october last year.

Since then I'm constantly reading these stupid 'bugfest' Post without any reasonable claim or proof.

Mostly im soloing, but I do pvp once or twice a week. Even in Cyro Most people have the lag Problem on their end (slow Hardware or cheap consumer Internet uplinks). Never had any lag or Bugs besides the missing guild after bigger patches.

I think Most people who are posting book-long bugfest posts are just very unbalanced personalities, possibly with deeper issues outside of the game...

Im not overly protecting ESO, it's just that ppl I know never had any of the described Bugs or issues.

/edit: Post above this is a good example for what I mean. No Information about anything, just 'everything sucks, even wow is better'. Sure, thats why we ESO players see whole WoWfugee waves of new players.

You know most issues with game came from lags, delays, bugs and stuff don't working. We are not idiots, if I would have FPS issues I'd upgrade my rig or lowered the settings. But when I setup ping on Google server and it gives me smooth 40-50ms ALL THE TIME while ESO is one big lagfest, then I don't need any other evidence. I did also route tracking to make sure it's not some random node on the way. Not gonna even talk about in game bugs. The game IS NOT FINE PERIOD.

Edit:
About bugs evidence. Just go the bugs section on this forums. You'll see more evidence than ever needed. Because you never encountered one of them it doesn't mean they don't exist.

red_emu · June 2019

If you play on NA server. Enjoy the quality service!

If you play on EU... Lol. Run dude. Run!

idk · June 2019

If someone has to create a thread asking if they made a mistake shouldn't it be obvious if they did or not? Do they really need to get an answer for us to make that determination?

So OP, you made the right choice. You were driven back here by fate and I suggest spending more time in game, find a good active guild that fits your interests and go to town. A town in Tamriel of course.

Solid_Metal · June 2019

i agree the forum people are mostly exaggerating problems, and sometimes even loud for some problem that not exist in the first place

i personally rarely encounter any bug, but again, i almost never play any other class other than DK, i also PvE-er, occasionally doing raid (cause of bad ping, play from SEA)

in short, as a pve i'm quite happy with the state of the game, the additional content also quite nice, although i'm not that happy with the amount of the content sold with the price tag, personally think its quite expensive, but again, this game fully voice acted, so i somewhat understand the budgeting

but i already unsubs again from the game, just cause i already do what i can do in the game, will back and subscribe again on next expansion and probably Q4 story dlc

Coatmagic · June 2019

*sigh*
Husband and I play sitting right next to each other.
You can take your 'It's a crap PC / crap ISP' BS and put it in your skooma pipe ;p
How stupid do you think people are when everyone is all over the world in voice chat having the same issues o.O
*nods* Nothing to do with the servers... riiiiiight.

Androconium · June 2019

If you wanted to achieve something, then yes.

If you're happy with 'near enough is good enough' then maybe not.

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

Coatmagic wrote: »

*sigh*
Husband and I play sitting right next to each other.
You can take your 'It's a crap PC / crap ISP' BS and put it in your skooma pipe ;p
How stupid do you think people are when everyone is all over the world in voice chat having the same issues o.O
*nods* Nothing to do with the servers... riiiiiight.

Identical PCs?
What is your bandwidth?
Are you on Wifi?
When was the last time you restarted your router?
Have you checked an independent web service to see if your ISP has Packet Forwarding issues? in the UK you can use Downdetector to see if people have problems
If using WiFi do you also have cordless telephones nearby that could be interfering? If so change the channel on the router.
Do you have any other software that could be conflicting with the game, e.g. firewalls, virus checkers etc?
Do you have 16Gb or more ram? <16Gb may be a bottleneck in some circumstances but not usually.
Is your CPU up to the task? less than 3.0 Ghz is going to find it tough due to the lack of fully optimised multi-core support and no DX12.

There are many other issues, but you simply can't say that everyone all over the world in voice chat is having the same issue as that is complete nonsense, in our Discord server we had 20 people online last night and only one had a problem and he knew what that was.

Androconium · June 2019

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Identical PCs? Not applicable

What is your bandwidth? 25MBps

Are you on Wifi? No

When was the last time you restarted your router? every day

Have you checked an independent web service to see if your ISP has Packet Forwarding issues? in the UK you can use Downdetector to see if people have problems LOL., independent web service

If using WiFi do you also have cordless telephones nearby that could be interfering? If so change the channel on the router.no.

Do you have any other software that could be conflicting with the game, e.g. firewalls, virus checkers etc?No.

Do you have 16Gb or more ram? <16Gb may be a bottleneck in some circumstances but not usually. No. 4Mb is fine

Is your CPU up to the task? less than 3.0 Ghz is going to find it tough due to the lack of fully optimised multi-core support and no DX12. No 2.1 Celeron works fine

There are many other issues, but you simply can't say that everyone all over the world in voice chat is having the same issue as that is complete nonsense, in our Discord server we had 20 people online last night and only one had a problem and he knew what that was.

here's the thing: my 2.1 Celeron with 4Mb RAM Potato on Internet from Mongolian Yurt to Australia works just fine.
AS LONG AS there is no-one else playing in my general vacinity (read Morrowind-style cell).

Go to any popular location, however, where player numbers and player configurations both increase, then problems arise.

You well-meaning ppl with no problems should just remain silent. All those things that you suggested to check have been dicussed before in the past four years. For me personally, the two that have have the most significant impact in performance are:

Cable to router; not wi-fi.
Turning off MM or reducing the polling time

Those are specific issues.

LiraTaurwen · June 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Identical PCs? Not applicable

What is your bandwidth? 25MBps

Are you on Wifi? No

When was the last time you restarted your router? every day

Have you checked an independent web service to see if your ISP has Packet Forwarding issues? in the UK you can use Downdetector to see if people have problems LOL., independent web service

If using WiFi do you also have cordless telephones nearby that could be interfering? If so change the channel on the router.no.

Do you have any other software that could be conflicting with the game, e.g. firewalls, virus checkers etc?No.

Do you have 16Gb or more ram? <16Gb may be a bottleneck in some circumstances but not usually. No. 4Mb is fine

Is your CPU up to the task? less than 3.0 Ghz is going to find it tough due to the lack of fully optimised multi-core support and no DX12. No 2.1 Celeron works fine

There are many other issues, but you simply can't say that everyone all over the world in voice chat is having the same issue as that is complete nonsense, in our Discord server we had 20 people online last night and only one had a problem and he knew what that was.

here's the thing: my 2.1 Celeron with 4Mb RAM Potato on Internet from Mongolian Yurt to Australia works just fine.
AS LONG AS there is no-one else playing in my general vacinity (read Morrowind-style cell).

Go to any popular location, however, where player numbers and player configurations both increase, then problems arise.

You well-meaning ppl with no problems should just remain silent. All those things that you suggested to check have been dicussed before in the past four years. For me personally, the two that have have the most significant impact in performance are:
Cable to router; not wi-fi.

Turning off MM or reducing the polling time

Those are specific issues.

Dude don't feed these people's posts seriously they will always find a way to work around what you said and make you look bad lol we can only hope one day these well-meaning people will experience the same we do...until then get a better pc and connection!

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Identical PCs? Not applicable

What is your bandwidth? 25MBps

Are you on Wifi? No

When was the last time you restarted your router? every day

Have you checked an independent web service to see if your ISP has Packet Forwarding issues? in the UK you can use Downdetector to see if people have problems LOL., independent web service

If using WiFi do you also have cordless telephones nearby that could be interfering? If so change the channel on the router.no.

Do you have any other software that could be conflicting with the game, e.g. firewalls, virus checkers etc?No.

Do you have 16Gb or more ram? <16Gb may be a bottleneck in some circumstances but not usually. No. 4Mb is fine

Is your CPU up to the task? less than 3.0 Ghz is going to find it tough due to the lack of fully optimised multi-core support and no DX12. No 2.1 Celeron works fine

There are many other issues, but you simply can't say that everyone all over the world in voice chat is having the same issue as that is complete nonsense, in our Discord server we had 20 people online last night and only one had a problem and he knew what that was.

here's the thing: my 2.1 Celeron with 4Mb RAM Potato on Internet from Mongolian Yurt to Australia works just fine.
AS LONG AS there is no-one else playing in my general vacinity (read Morrowind-style cell).

Go to any popular location, however, where player numbers and player configurations both increase, then problems arise.

You well-meaning ppl with no problems should just remain silent. All those things that you suggested to check have been dicussed before in the past four years. For me personally, the two that have have the most significant impact in performance are:
Cable to router; not wi-fi.

Turning off MM or reducing the polling time

Those are specific issues.

Your PC specs are your problem, 4Gb (I'm pretty sure you mean 4Gb and 4Mb is a typo) is not fine, your CPU is way too slow and your internet connection is barely adequate. Thanks for proving my point. Get a better computer and if your Husband's PC is as low specced as yours then again, there is his problem.

"You well-meaning ppl with no problems should just remain silent."

Seriously, so once again if someone states they don't agree with you they should shut up. Then I suggest you start your own forum, you can invite only those whiners with potato computers to join, but whilst on this forum you will receive the full spectrum of comments from interested parties on all sides of the argument, it's called debate, don't be a snowflake, learn how to argue intelligently without calling for opposing pov censorship.

Mannix1958 · June 2019

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

Sure if you only play dress up, rp, cs, & house...otherwise you're a liar.

Then a lot of us are lying. I do far more than that and have very few performance issues. Do they rise time to time...sure...but not game braking. How dare you call someone a liar since you have no clue what their experience is like. Should we call you a liar because your experience is bad and we don't have the same issues?

mistermacintosh · June 2019

The forums aren't a good gauge for the state of the game. Neither is the ZOS website or Youtube. You should make your own assessment and decide if ESO is providing enough enjoyment for you.

And you can always come back if you decide to leave for a while. They do improve the game every so often, so something that's bugging you this year might be fixed next year.

As far as performance, bugs, getting periodically disconnected... these are things that won't likely be fixed anytime soon, if ever. They could do a major overhaul of their systems and fix everything, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

hmsdragonfly · June 2019

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

SilverPaws wrote: »

Matter about what content ingame are you looking for.
If you just want to quest or do housing then game is fine.
If you want to go PvP or endgame raiding then it's really not game for you. PvP is unplayable most of the time and even in trials the ping is just really bad.

Pretty much this. If you like to adventure, craft, or decorate, and treat your mmos as a solo pve game with a social community, you’ll be very happy with eso. If you prefer pvp or group content this game is maddening, due to the bugs, connectivity, and zeni’s poor communication on all of it.

Hmm, and yet our guild manages to do one or two trials a day at peak time on the EU server with no issues at all. Those who do complain about FPS always admit it's down to their potato rig or *** internet connection. Last night we had one bug in nHRC where an overcharger got stuck in a wall near the start and we had to restart the trial, that's the first time we've had to do that. An occasional glitch is usual in a complex bit of coding, but the way some people describe it here you'd think it was a case of 100% uptime bugs online.

For proof here is last night's trial events:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/439991332?t=00h03m35s

Of course it does not affecr everyone, might be time or play or other combination of factors but nonine can deny thewe issues are affecting a whole of people.
Only idiots would come here with such an attitude by the way... One day it might affect you and your guild too lol
NA players used to come crap all over EU topics and look what happens now lol it sucks when the problems happen directly to you.

Hypocrisy everywhere!

So I am an idiot for showing proof that we had no issues, and if you care to look back at ALL our other videos for the last 60 days you will also see no issues, so I'm an idiot for telling people of our experience? Who isn't an idiot then, I suppose only people who agree with you are intelligent erudite scribes telling it how it really is and everyone else, even those with video evidence are at best misguided and at worst trollish idiots, is that right?

Idiots who downplay the current issues because they are not affected. Can't you all see someday it might affect you? Don't you all want a game that works for all the community? I can't understand this. And please don't play the all high and mighty, that comment about people admitting they only have issues because of potato pcs and bad connection is a slap on the face for a lot of people here who experience this terrible performance everyday.

Your use of the English language will be your downfall, I am going to put it down to you not being a native English speaker and leave it at that.

Ask yourself this:

If these issues do not affect every player, as you admitted earlier, then how can it be a problem on the server? E.G. If the server is down, as it is now for patching, then every player who tries to connect sees the same error, Server down for maintenance.

Now, if two people living in different countries on different ISP providers and with vastly different computer specifications have vastly different experiences are you surprised? However if two people with almost identical PCs living in the same area and using the same ISP at the same broadband speed have a vastly different experience which alternates between player 1 and player 2, then you could say there is a problem with the game or servers, however in the latter example I am speaking from experience, my son and I both play, neither of us have most of the problems you and many others speak of.

Now, that is not to say there are no bugs or issues with ping and FPS because we all know there are, especially when it's at peak time in a busy area like Cyrodiil, in this case it does affect everyone, this is a server bandwidth problem and is currently being addressed. Bugs like battering rams in the air are also down to bandwidth issues, if it was a persistent bug then they would always be up in the air.

It is necessary to understand the anatomy of a bug and the anatomy of packet loss before climbing on a bandwagon, in many many cases it is down to local conditions client side, the only real issue server side is bandwidth, which we have been told is being increased over the course of the year. If you are still experiencing issues during off-peak load conditions then take a look at your ISP, your router (switch it off for 5 minutes), your wi-fi (get it on LAN if possible) and your PC specs.

From the twitch feeds I have shared, which are on the EU server at Peak hours 8pm - 10pm, you can clearly see that there are no issues, you will, however, hear one person talking about lag, ask him why and it's because his internet connection is crap.

So, are there problems? Yes, but they are either server bandwidth issues or Client side issues or both. The former is being addressed, the latter two are your problem.

I don't know about PvE, but PvP is like this:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/480252/euro-cyrodiil-elsweyr-2019-time-to-share-this-experience-to-the-whole-world/p1

It happens to everyone who does PvP stuffs.

I don't know why you still try to blame players for lags and bugs. Sure it can be player's faults for some occasions, but when there are so many people who experience it, then there's something going on on ZoS' side, you see, do people in other games complain this much about lags and bugs on forum and reddit? No. In other games there's legit no one complaining about lags, why do so many people in this game complain about lags if there's actually none? You don't have lags? You being well-fed doesn't mean there's no hunger in the world.

Don't forget the fact that guilds are still broken, they have to disable guild's history, they haven't even fixed the issue. But that's not a bug i guess?

Also I don't know why not being a native English speaker is am issue? Why not being a native English speaker is someone's downfall?

hmsdragonfly · June 2019

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

Sure if you only play dress up, rp, cs, & house...otherwise you're a liar.

Then a lot of us are lying. I do far more than that and have very few performance issues. Do they rise time to time...sure...but not game braking. How dare you call someone a liar since you have no clue what their experience is like. Should we call you a liar because your experience is bad and we don't have the same issues?

Performance is okay on NA server, but for EU server it's another matter.

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO · June 2019

After seeing the last 2 patches, I would say "yes OP, yes you made a mistake".

Wifeaggro13 · June 2019

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Yes you made a mistake Wow fanboy. The bugs have always been here.

Listen you have no right to be derogatory and inflammatory to the OP. Pot calling the kettle black you are reported. Go read the TOS and forum rules

Comixfan · June 2019

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Performance is okay on NA server, but for EU server it's another matter.

It's most certainly not okay on Xbox NA!

Veinblood1965 · June 2019

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago,

Your memory is flawed. Software quality was always atrocious.

ESO excels in art/story/characterization/etc., although different people can have very different opinions as to which parts of that they admire and, which is not the same thing, which parts they value highly.

The basic ideas of the combat system are pretty good, although nothing will ever match the great imagination and flexibility of the original Guild Wars.

Opinions very greatly as to combat balance, but certainly the game makers have two self-imposed problems:
A commitment to balance PvP and PvE with the same skills, notwithstanding the great differences in the value of various kinds of skills between the two formats.

The aforementioned bugs.

My personal view is that I have little complaint about actual combat balance per se, but I dislike some of the things ZoS has felt it had to do to maintain that balance, such as frequent drastic change, or the nerfing of some of the cooler individual skills.

Agree with the nerfing of individual skills, I like not having to cookie cutter my toons. I quit for a month right before Elysweyr over the SnB change, wasn't a big change just the final straw. Came back for Elswyer but once I've ran through that content I plan on unsubscribing until the next expansion.

ZOS_GregoryV · June 2019

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive. Please refrain from Baiting other members of the community as that is a violation of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

OneForSorrow · June 2019

In my experience, this is the breakdown:

ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE CONS:

Buggy, awkward.
Lack of class identity.
Needs polish.
Everything cool is in the crown store.
Being able to go where you want when you want can make progression feel muddy
Art direction is merely okay most of the time

ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE PROS:

If you subscribe you never need to spend additional money in the store
Tons of build options
Tons of exploration
Meaningful work. Everything you do improves your character.

WORLD OF WARCRAFT CONS:

Lack of options. You need to play how Blizzard wants you to
Lack of build options
Exploration is pointless outside achievements
Everything funnels you into endgame
Lack of meaningful work. You will hit walls where you can't improve your character anymore and those walls come more quickly if you are not a mythic raider
Mandatory subscription but you will still need to pay money for anything you want in the shop (unless you are excellent at making in game gold)

WORLD OF WARCRAFT PROS:

Well polished
Many rewards can be earned in game
Pronounced endgame
More interesting playable races
Excellent art

To me WoW fails where ESO excels and vice versa which means they are great games to play either together or alternating. They are each other's perfect palate cleansers.

Azyle1 · June 2019

I've played WoW, ESO and FFXIV. Those are the three big boys right now.

I would say FFXIv is the best MMO right now, as it is polished, has a large playerbase and runs well. However, it's Vertical loot system feels outdated.

Edit: I still prefer and play ESO over FFXIV, just so we are clear as I enjoy the lore, combat and loot more. But if I am being honest, what I said above is true.

GarnetFire17 · June 2019

A Mandatory subscription fee is a deal breaker for any video game to me. Also, FFXIV 's anime look is cringey. And drop the stupid roman numerals already.