Did I made a mistake returning to ES0?

Walman

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

mann9753b16_ESO

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Wow is an empty cashgrab with little to no content, while you can play ESO forever and still find new content that is still relevant.

I mean, hey, if WoW BFA is a good enough game for you, why leave? Seems you dont have much demand for content anyway...

BomblePants

Most forum users went to RADA.... (just a joke)!!!!!

SilverPaws

Matter about what content ingame are you looking for.
If you just want to quest or do housing then game is fine.
If you want to go PvP or endgame raiding then it's really not game for you. PvP is unplayable most of the time and even in trials the ping is just really bad.

Coggage

I play PvE only as the PvP in ESO seems bland and uninspired to me, and from what I gather it is the PvP and the group-finder causing all the angst. I don't ever group with people, so I avoid that problem, and the PvE plays perfectly fine for me.

BrooksP

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Wow is an empty cashgrab

...and ESO's not? ESO is the worst offender I've seen in non-f2p games when it comes to being a cashgrab.

Comixfan

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Wow is an empty cashgrab with little to no content, while you can play ESO forever and still find new content that is still relevant.

I mean, hey, if WoW BFA is a good enough game for you, why leave? Seems you dont have much demand for content anyway...

Spoken like someone who has no clue what they're on about.

WoW has a ton of content with new content added regularly. In fact, the next major patch with 2 new zones worth of content is just around the corner.

WoW also has Oceanic servers, so definitely scores better for me than ESO does right now!

Comixfan

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

Game works well unless you're on Xbox or PS4 in which case both US and EU servers are a lagfest at the moment with regular frame rate drops, mob pop in issues, and power FX/sound FX delays.

Comixfan

BrooksP wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Wow is an empty cashgrab

...and ESO's not? ESO is the worst offender I've seen in non-f2p games when it comes to being a cashgrab.

Yeah. It's shocking how bad of a cash grab this game can be, and it's gotten even worse with the addition of Skyshard unlocks for crowns.

Nemesis7884

You mean if wasting your free time on this game as opposed to any other is worse? Most likely it wont matter

TheShadowScout

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier...

I found the bugs in ESO to be of less impact then many claim, and the forums more toxic at times then the game deserves. Also, the nifty stories alone make it worth playing the game for me...
But that is me.
You? Ignore the forums, play the game a bit and... make up your own mind.

Thogard

There’s no such thing as a good MMO, unless it’s a dead MMO that we’re remembering with nostalgia or a future MMO that we imagine with hype.

All MMOs are bad. Right now, ESO is the least bad MMO.

Is it a bad MMO? Yes. But all the others are worse. So I play it.

BrooksP

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier...

I found the bugs in ESO to be of less impact then many claim, and the forums more toxic at times then the game deserves. Also, the nifty stories alone make it worth playing the game for me...
But that is me.
You? Ignore the forums, play the game a bit and... make up your own mind.

To be fair, every game forum and more specifically MMO forum is going to be toxic, regardless of quality. The only MMO forum I've ever seen that wasn't toxic was FF14, and that is only due to fear and overzealous moderation...and that it was mostly a fanart/fanfic dumping ground.

VaranisArano

Honest suggestion here: if reading the forums doesnt make you happier, ignore us and go play the game.

If actually playing the game makes you happy, then you didn't make a mistake!

agegarton

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

There are too many bugs and far too little action and communication from ZoS. The bugs that are likely to impact on your gameplay include ongoing server issues on PC/EU (they can't seem to apply a patch without screwing up something), the group system (that never worked properly anyway), and a lots of broken gameplay in Cyrodiil (broken builds, some cheating, and still performance issues).

That said, you won't encounter bugs all the time and for the most part, when the servers are up and you're playing a normal game, it's smoother and more content rich than ever before. Cyrodiil is the best it has been in ages in terms of game performance, if you can withstand 1/5 groups in either broken builds or running cheat engine (or similar).

So no, it wasn't a mistake coming back - welcome back! Just manage your expectations and hope that ZoS get their act together and don't take a wrong turn. OK, any more wrong turns...... ;-)

teladoy

I left the game for that reason. For me the lag, loading screens, the crashes, the hangings, the bugs in battlegrounds that never start or the battlegrounds grouping tool infinity grouping disbanding problem, lead me to just stop playing.

Tigerseye

There are some good elements to the game, of course, but it is (undeniably) very buggy, when compared to any of the other MMOs I have played.

WoW, for example (I played from Cata to WoD) sometimes had bugs on launch of new content, but once they were fixed, it was more-or-less completely bug-free, from then on and (as far as I remember), aside from the very occasional falling through the floor type of incident, I encountered no noticable bugs in older areas, at all.

Whereas, some of the quest bugs here, for example, are longstanding ones which they never fix and then (almost unbelievably) then re-introduce into the game, via new (similarly constructed) quests, in the new chapter.

This is unacceptable.

I have been hanging around here mainly for the scenery and for housing, but as the houses (they're not really houses) they have introduced in Elsweyr are so poor, I am seriously questioning why I am still here.

Edziu

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

yes game work very well if you play only on NA mega server, rest servers are or horrible or is drama within game by bed design to some things in this game which are even badder if there is lower players like lately I hear problem with empty guild traders everywhere on console servers xD gg nice work

888and888

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

I reckon you are not playing PvP on the EU servers...

Tandor

Edziu wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

yes game work very well if you play only on NA mega server, rest servers are or horrible or is drama within game by bed design to some things in this game which are even badder if there is lower players like lately I hear problem with empty guild traders everywhere on console servers xD gg nice work

If you do overland questing etc the game also works very well on PC EU. I play on both that and the PC NA servers from the UK and overland performance is equally smooth on both. If you do PvP and/or trials and dungeons then it's a different story seemingly regardless of platform and server.

Tigerseye

By the way, I have no intention (at this point) of returning to WoW, as I still have other issues with that game, but still.

mikemacon

If you’re not enjoying ESO, then yes, you have self-evidently made a mistake.

Edziu

Tandor wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

yes game work very well if you play only on NA mega server, rest servers are or horrible or is drama within game by bed design to some things in this game which are even badder if there is lower players like lately I hear problem with empty guild traders everywhere on console servers xD gg nice work

If you do overland questing etc the game also works very well on PC EU. I play on both that and the PC NA servers from the UK and overland performance is equally smooth on both. If you do PvP and/or trials and dungeons then it's a different story seemingly regardless of platform and server.

ye thats it

for solo content this doesnt matter at all...but at all I think someone returning wont think about only solo content :P
so in overall if someone want to play more with other people so dungs etc then it is going to be horrible experience especially in content where need more or just is more people

btw and I was logining for NA..have here 400+ cp and can say by myself I dont that much problem on NA thna EU while Im sitting in EU and just next to my country is Germany with EU megaserver...

this is jsut pathetic, I dont have that much lags on NA, never had problem with suddenly ping jumps to 999+ and fps drops to 1-2 withinin it on NA while on EU I have it almost daily and ofc I havnt ecen once long loading screens on NA while on NA its is daily and is still not low chance to get infinite loading screen especially on pvp on EU

Tigerseye

888and888 wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

I reckon you are not playing PvP on the EU servers...

Or, in fact, trying to do anything on the EU servers.

Comixfan wrote: »

Drauz wrote: »

Forum people are very dramatic. Game works very well and there are a lot of players around,.

Game works well unless you're on Xbox or PS4 in which case both US and EU servers are a lagfest at the moment with regular frame rate drops, mob pop in issues, and power FX/sound FX delays.

I am on PC/EU and it does not work well for me.

Every time I encounter an issue with combat, or lag, I immediately check my internet connection, as quite often it is that (I'm with BT...), so I obviously don't blame ZoS when it is that.

But, when it isn't due to that, or it is a bugged daily quest, which I then have to spend several minutes on, before I find out it has bugged again, then have to try to explain to the group/surrounding players (yet again!) and drop it and go and re-pick it up/try to get it reshared (all of which takes time and effort, for nothing), I absolutely do blame ZoS.

Especially when they don't ever fix these bugs and then re-introduce the exact same ones into new areas.

Vaerth

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

Wow is an empty cashgrab with little to no content, while you can play ESO forever and still find new content that is still relevant.

I mean, hey, if WoW BFA is a good enough game for you, why leave? Seems you dont have much demand for content anyway...

At least WoW is WORKING though

I am in these forums about to quit because bugs i nthis game make it literally unplayable. I am stuck in block if I use it once, my animations for Bone Armor wont show, my Venom Skull animation is stuck on left arm, not full animation cycle. My heals animation show but dont apply. I am level 16, and getting to my end of dealing with the bugs in the last 24 hours, waste of my time.

srfrogg23

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

You're locked into a long term commitment, now that you have returned. No escape. Get comfortable and learn to like it because you are not allowed to play any other games ever again!

Square252

I'm also a returning Player. I started with ESO around 2015 after the Tamriel Unlimited Expansion as far as I remember. Stopped after a few weeks for time reasons and started again around october last year.

Since then I'm constantly reading these stupid 'bugfest' Post without any reasonable claim or proof.

Mostly im soloing, but I do pvp once or twice a week. Even in Cyro Most people have the lag Problem on their end (slow Hardware or cheap consumer Internet uplinks). Never had any lag or Bugs besides the missing guild after bigger patches.

[snip]

Im not overly protecting ESO, it's just that ppl I know never had any of the described Bugs or issues.

[snip]

[Edit for bait.]

elvenmad

Walman wrote: »

After 3 years I returned to the game, but its a bugfest and reading the forum here don't make me any happier. I remember ESO as a almost bugfree game some years ago, what happend? I also play WOW and that game is flawless and smooth, big difference there.

Don't wanna compare the 2 games, but is ESO programming crew out of his depth and the megaserver concept a mistake?

I'm in the same boat myself, just returned 2 weeks ago, I thought if anything the game would be even better than when I quit over 2 years ago, I left because mainly of Cyrodiil and the performance issues there, loved the pvp and how it worked but in practise it was ruined by bad server issues, insane lag and at some peek times just simply unplayable.

On my return I was expecting to have to spend some time learning a ton of new things and have to grind new gear and abilities. Seems my thoughts were wrong, still wearing all the same gear I had 2 years ago, some hundings, Spriggans etc, nothing "special" only real difference it seems is there are 2 new zones of quest content, Summerset and Elsweyr otherwise there's nothing actually "new". None of the issues and bugs I clearly remember from 2 years ago have been addressed, there still there and there even more issues now too.

I purchased Elsweyr and decided to roll a necromancer, already have Stamsorc, Stamblade and Stamplar at max, Cyrodiil is still the same, if not worse than before, there's also tons of instantly noticeable issues in open world, I have come across a lot of bugged quests, even some parts of main story I am unable to complete, But for me the biggest thing I have noticed is how easy the game is, Has everything been made easier ? because it definitely feels like it has, I remember I could solo some Vet dungeons in the past, but they weren't that easy, I can now blast through them in full training gear with no issues at all, it does'nt feel right, its all too easy, I can see I am going to get bored very fast and end up quitting again in the near future.


Its a shame, Game itself is really amazing and very well done, but its maintenance, bug fixing and overall management is appalling to say say the least.

Tigerseye

Square252 wrote: »

I'm also a returning Player. I started with ESO around 2015 after the Tamriel Unlimited Expansion as far as I remember. Stopped after a few weeks for time reasons and started again around october last year.

Since then I'm constantly reading these stupid 'bugfest' Post without any reasonable claim or proof.

Mostly im soloing, but I do pvp once or twice a week. Even in Cyro Most people have the lag Problem on their end (slow Hardware or cheap consumer Internet uplinks). Never had any lag or Bugs besides the missing guild after bigger patches.

[snip]

Im not overly protecting ESO, it's just that ppl I know never had any of the described Bugs or issues.

[snip]

[Edit for bait.]

So, reporting blatant, never-fixed bugs is now [snip]? lol.

[snip]

How about you just fix your game?

[Edit for bait.]

KoultouraS

The only online aspect of this game that stands for its name, is that it requires an internet connection to be played.
Other than that nothing that requires a group of people to enjoy it seems to work. Be it PvP, dungeon or trials, the lag and/or bugs will devour your last hope of playing this game without actually having to swear every 5 mins. The lattest development has rendered Elder Scrolls online, into Elder solo online where only solo and overland content is ok , and that only by the prerequisite that it is not prime time during weekends.

Reverb

SilverPaws wrote: »

Matter about what content ingame are you looking for.
If you just want to quest or do housing then game is fine.
If you want to go PvP or endgame raiding then it's really not game for you. PvP is unplayable most of the time and even in trials the ping is just really bad.

Pretty much this. If you like to adventure, craft, or decorate, and treat your mmos as a solo pve game with a social community, you’ll be very happy with eso. If you prefer pvp or group content this game is maddening, due to the bugs, connectivity, and zeni’s poor communication on all of it.