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fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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What screws me about detect pots is that you don't know until you figure it out a second or two later. I'd love to have your stamina sustain, sure. That's one way to have a better gameplay experience as a magicka character. I am not screwed though. I (double-) shield, I Swallow Soul, I counter-attack and I am getting better at working out when someone has used a pot.
I can see that. DW heavy attacks are fast. My problem with 2H heavy attacks was always that I found them hard to land. Between missing and the long windup time, I was inevitably CCd again, right after landing them, with stamina going right back to zero. My problem with that playstyle is, if you do heavy attacks reactively when you need stamina, you can't afford for them to miss. Your stamina pool is so small it means death. However, if you are comfortable weaving them into your rotation, I can see how you'd make that work. I still think you're missing out big time on damage by not having fire-based light attacks. The 8% extra single target damage from a flame staff is roughly equivalent to the extra spell damage from 2H or DW. You can go Nirn + Sharpened, which is just about the last thing that's still neat about DW, but to buff the Caluu proc - and, in my case, Zaan - full Sharpened is better.I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)
Yeah i go with nirn on main hand and sharpened on off hand.
I heavy attack more or less depending on how the fight goes, never as a last resort. Thanks to that and the fact that i run tri stat food, over 16K stamina, i rarely run out of it. iirc i think i got around 1K stam recovery and could go for more if i needed it.
Your build seems to have more damage, yeah, but the moment someone pops a detect pot you are probably screwed, that's why i invest on stam, stamina recovery and resist. If they counter my cloak i want to be able to keep fighting.
While I don't have much passive defense (resists) I actually only have 4 damage skills in the build. The rest are defense and utility. There is a general tradeoff. Let's say you ran a heavy armor build. You'll probably end up with Inner Light and Ele Drain to get the crit and pen back, along with Entropy for the Sorcery. Tanky builds tend to be attack rotation heavy to get the damage back. Active attack, passive defense. My build is the opposite. Active defense and few attack skills (plus procs).
I am also so fast that I can easily outrange a detect pot, if the opponent isn't completely on the ball with their gap-closing and streaking. Where it's game over is when an organised group focuses me with one or more detect pots. I think that only Mist Form might help there, though certainly more dodge rolls would also be good.
The problem with running tri-stat food and, I'm guessing, no cost reduction, is that your cloak sustain won't be as good. Now this is partially a quality of life issue. I love having the out-of-combat perma-cloak sustain on hostile resources and keeps. On the other hand, pumping Cloak every 1 second will also get you out of some sticky situations, because every AOE, every Hurricane, every in-flight projectile and every Curse only ticks at a given point in time. If you immediately cloak again, it ends up like you are almost still invisible. This is why I love high mag sustain. Not saying it's better, only that it's swings and roundabouts.0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...Edited by Chelo on June 14, 2019 4:52PM0 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
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What screws me about detect pots is that you don't know until you figure it out a second or two later.
I can see that. DW heavy attacks are fast. My problem with 2H heavy attacks was always that I found them hard to land. Between missing and the long windup time, I was inevitably CCd again, right after landing them, with stamina going right back to zero. My problem with that playstyle is, if you do heavy attacks reactively when you need stamina, you can't afford for them to miss. Your stamina pool is so small it means death. However, if you are comfortable weaving them into your rotation, I can see how you'd make that work. I still think you're missing out big time on damage by not having fire-based light attacks. The 8% extra single target damage from a flame staff is roughly equivalent to the extra spell damage from 2H or DW. You can go Nirn + Sharpened, which is just about the last thing that's still neat about DW, but to buff the Caluu proc - and, in my case, Zaan - full Sharpened is better.I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)
Yeah i go with nirn on main hand and sharpened on off hand.
I heavy attack more or less depending on how the fight goes, never as a last resort. Thanks to that and the fact that i run tri stat food, over 16K stamina, i rarely run out of it. iirc i think i got around 1K stam recovery and could go for more if i needed it.
Your build seems to have more damage, yeah, but the moment someone pops a detect pot you are probably screwed, that's why i invest on stam, stamina recovery and resist. If they counter my cloak i want to be able to keep fighting.
I know it's bugged and doesn't give any notification, but i personally think that's the way it should be. (yeah, a magblade main said that)
The problem with running tri-stat food and, I'm guessing, no cost reduction, is that your cloak sustain won't be as good. Now this is partially a quality of life issue. I love having the out-of-combat perma-cloak sustain on hostile resources and keeps. On the other hand, pumping Cloak every 1 second will also get you out of some sticky situations, because every AOE, every Hurricane, every in-flight projectile and every Curse only ticks at a given point in time. If you immediately cloak again, it ends up like you are almost still invisible. This is why I love high mag sustain. Not saying it's better, only that it's swings and roundabouts.
I can see that. DW heavy attacks are fast. My problem with 2H heavy attacks was always that I found them hard to land. Between missing and the long windup time, I was inevitably CCd again, right after landing them, with stamina going right back to zero. My problem with that playstyle is, if you do heavy attacks reactively when you need stamina, you can't afford for them to miss. Your stamina pool is so small it means death. However, if you are comfortable weaving them into your rotation, I can see how you'd make that work. I still think you're missing out big time on damage by not having fire-based light attacks. The 8% extra single target damage from a flame staff is roughly equivalent to the extra spell damage from 2H or DW. You can go Nirn + Sharpened, which is just about the last thing that's still neat about DW, but to buff the Caluu proc - and, in my case, Zaan - full Sharpened is better.I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)
Yeah i go with nirn on main hand and sharpened on off hand.
I heavy attack more or less depending on how the fight goes, never as a last resort. Thanks to that and the fact that i run tri stat food, over 16K stamina, i rarely run out of it. iirc i think i got around 1K stam recovery and could go for more if i needed it.
Your build seems to have more damage, yeah, but the moment someone pops a detect pot you are probably screwed, that's why i invest on stam, stamina recovery and resist. If they counter my cloak i want to be able to keep fighting.
I don't permacloak out of combat. I normally run while in stealth thanks to the dark stalker passive + concealed and use cloak when i think they can see me. I barely consume stamina because i got 4 points on that passive from legerdemain and every 6 seconds i can get stamina back because i'm an altmer.
If i needed to spam cloak i could do it plenty of times though, got almost 40K mag, i can cast siphoning attacks before the permacloak to get some more magicka back when the effect ends and can use pots as well.0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.Edited by Insco851 on June 14, 2019 10:06PM2 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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Yup I have and I been having a great time on magblade been using 5 spinners 5 bright 1 chudan 1 skoria lot fun kills fast with 25k health got added tankieness already had few 1vxs 😊
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
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Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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The only trouble I run into tho is the 30k health pet mag sorc build crazy how they got so much survivability and hits like a glass cannon lol 😂
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
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Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
The only trouble I run into tho is the 30k health pet mag sorc build crazy how they got so much survivability and hits like a glass cannon lol 😂
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
No body doing anything to them. Broke af spec.1 -
burglar✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »What exactly *is* a melee setup for magblade? I assume one uses concealed weapon, but other than that I am unsure.
The goal behind it used to be speed and deception. So, as you said, concealed weapon, but also cloak, shadow image, and cripple. They nerfed cripple, so they kinda broke how I played melee magblade. I'd put down a shadow, and cloak over to someone, stunning them with concealed weapon, or just teleport over to them with lotus fan after hitting them with cripple. From there it was cloaking and kiting with cripple and occasionally hitting them with concealed weapon until merciless resolve had enough stacks, then Fear > Incap > shadowy disguise > spectral bow > concealed weapon / impale.
I really only used cloak to confuse opponents, and I generally fought until I died unless some other people would jump in when it was 1v1 or something.
Some of the more fun days with magblade were using julianos with stygian when it gave you +20% spell power; combined with kena you could land some 65k/32k spectral bows.
Ultimately what made melee magblade fun in my opinion was cripple with major expedition for 8 seconds, the combo of lotus fan + shadow image, and cloak + concealed weapon. It was all about stealth and movement. Lots of people claimed it was a cheap way to play, but it's a playstyle that tends to make your hands hurt and break your controller.
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
It used to work with others, but not anymore. The proc sets really broke the game, because they allowed the devs to compensate balancing issues with proc sets. If all of your performance is coming from proc sets, then it's not the class that is strong, it's the sets.Bosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭ProbablePaul wrote: »
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
It used to work with others, but not anymore. The proc sets really broke the game, because they allowed the devs to compensate balancing issues with proc sets. If all of your performance is coming from proc sets, then it's not the class that is strong, it's the sets.
Finally someone got the point! He is not killing with the "Melee MagBlade", the proccs are doing the killing for him...
If he try the exact same playstyle using Spinner and Slimecraw (a solid dmg combo) instead of Caluurion and Zaan (the procc combo), it's simply not going to work because that whole playstyle revolves around triggering proccs... Take out the proccs and there's NO "Melee MagBlade"...Edited by Chelo on June 16, 2019 3:41AM0 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.Edited by Insco851 on June 16, 2019 4:35AM0 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.Edited by Insco851 on June 16, 2019 5:54AM0 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Even on PC you should still be able to kill players using the magblades built in class defenses. There is no reason you couldn’t stack dark cloak, path, swallow soul, and siphoning attacks and have a lot of hots ticking and still have high damage tooltips. You could even use a defensive monster helm like troll king and still equip two offensive sets and have a lot of damage. I’m confused as to how you would lose out on damage just by slotting class healing abilities.1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...1 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
I'm pretty sure there's a bug with magsorcs on PC where the attacks seem to all hit at once on the receiving end without weird delays in the combo for timing. I know I've done it to people by accident thanks to salty whispers, and I know I've had it happen to me.
Lag delay "macro slicing" is a rarer than it used to be but it is a real thing.
Passive mitigation is the way to build sadly. That and block mitigation bonuses which seem to be more effective due to some equation changes from what I've heard.0 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
That’s because pet sorcs are broken, there is nothing you can do against them while playing most classes not just magblades. I’m personally not against magblades receiving better healing because I still consider magblades a mid tier class with stamplar and Stamsorc. However all the classes are playing fine for the most part and how they fair against magsorcs shouldn’t be the determining factor in if a class gets buffed or not because honestly magsorcs need big nerfs
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.Edited by Iskiab on June 16, 2019 9:05PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
I hate hots too, they should rework Malevolent Offering and make it a burst heal with other condition that doesn't involve killing yourself in the process =S1 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.
The other classes (specifically Templars and Wardens) can heal themselves and other players from execute to 100% with the push of a key. MagBlade can't do that, our option is trying to outdps them with pressure and at the same time we heal ourselves.
Remember the concept of MagBlade is "the more dmg you do, the most healing you get" (swallow soul, merciless resolve and siphoning attacks). The problem with this playstyle is that is super unreliable and if you focus on having more raw defense, you will not kill anyone. Our defense supposed to be our "tricks", stealth, shadow, fear and positioning...2 -
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I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
There’s nothing you can do here and a burst heal won’t help you kill them which is the true problem. You can’t pressure a magsorc enough to get them on the back foot 1v1. They will just outsustain you and eventually kill and bag you like they achieved godhood.1 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.
I think this is absolutely the case.
“Why didn’t I sorc-burst that over max resist Stam DK!?!? I need mooooar dmg!”
There’s a fine line between just enough dmg and sustain/survivability. I don’t kill kids in a single gank rotation. I also don’t explode to a sorc 1v1....1 -
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
I hate hots too, they should rework Malevolent Offering and make it a burst heal with other condition that doesn't involve killing yourself in the process =S
Yes I have said this few times and I really want a concealed weapon rework to.Deathlord92 wrote: »
I’m from PS4 and I’m asking for better healing on magblade. One of my biggest issues I run into as magblade is the pet mag sorc builds especially if I have two of them on me 😑
Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
I hate hots too, they should rework Malevolent Offering and make it a burst heal with other condition that doesn't involve killing yourself in the process =S
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With the exception of a single morph of a single skill (Shadowy Disguise), that ability simply does not synergize well with the rest of the class kit.Deathlord92 wrote: »Yes I have said this few times and I really want a concealed weapon rework to.
I'm going to restate my wish for Minor Breach or Minor Lifesteal to be rolled into this skill.1 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.
The other classes (specifically Templars and Wardens) can heal themselves and other players from execute to 100% with the push of a key. MagBlade can't do that, our option is trying to outdps them with pressure and at the same time we heal ourselves.
Remember the concept of MagBlade is "the more dmg you do, the most healing you get" (swallow soul, merciless resolve and siphoning attacks). The problem with this playstyle is that is super unreliable and if you focus on having more raw defense, you will not kill anyone. Our defense supposed to be our "tricks", stealth, shadow, fear and positioning...
Yea, I agree about the design of the class, that’s why I hate swallow soul. Just when you need the healing the most against a target it’ll heal for less (against a blocking stam near execute range).
I want to try a magblade pure damage spec but it’s low priority (main done, stamnecro next, then my magblade alt).
All I will say is healing without mitigation isn’t effective (I especially see this as a healer, some people are a waste to heal with more then a hot) so more self healing is only a partial solution. It still leads to the same conclusion: you need defense for pvp and healing to be effective outside ganking.
You don’t need a ton either. Pirate smelly and all impen is all it should take. The self healing on magblade sucks anyways, minor defile isn’t a huge hit.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.
The other classes (specifically Templars and Wardens) can heal themselves and other players from execute to 100% with the push of a key. MagBlade can't do that, our option is trying to outdps them with pressure and at the same time we heal ourselves.
Remember the concept of MagBlade is "the more dmg you do, the most healing you get" (swallow soul, merciless resolve and siphoning attacks). The problem with this playstyle is that is super unreliable and if you focus on having more raw defense, you will not kill anyone. Our defense supposed to be our "tricks", stealth, shadow, fear and positioning...
And neither of those classes (nor DK) have a mobility skill anywhere close to Shade.1 -
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Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...
Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.
There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.
You are not getting the point...
You can make the Range playstyle work with a variety of sets, you can use Torug, Spinner, Crafty Alfiq, Julianos, War Maiden, Inner Axiom, even Spell Strategist, etc, etc for damage and also have a lot of sets for defense and sustain.
When it comes to Melee MagBlade, you only 1 option (Caluurion + Zaan), so it's not that's MagBlade is meant to be a Melee Magicka Character, is that Caluurion + Zaan its a niche build that happend to work for a Melee playstyle. The same kind of playstyle will not work using any other sets...
I think this melee thing is being overblown. If you stack hots and use dark cloak- you can be in the fight. You can play melee regardless of spammable. Escape+path also makes this easier. Add troll king or pirate skelly. Protective jewls. Health recovery from gold food, health+speed from steed, there’s plenty of options to help survivability right now.
You can’t stack 3 dmg sets with arcane traits and 20k health and expect to be in the fight tho. You need to push to 25k health at least. More the better. Don’t fire the bow proc at kids you can kill like mud crabs. Realize you are squishier as you enter the fight... get some merciless stacks from range as you enter.
Lingering health pots. Tri pots, detect pots... you need them all. You also need to learn how to switch in combat.
If you stack all the possible hots mnb has...
Dark Cloak+Path+Siphoning+swallow soul- you can potentially average 2500-2700 per second. Stack another 1000 health recovery on this... stack lingering pots when your are in bad situations...
Then add in all the mitigation. And a 8k Harness over the top.
Your response is totally a "what if..." Because if you actually play like that, you will not kill anyone and eventually everyone will kill you...
Trust me you can kill just fine by using the built in defenses of the class out of stealth. I don’t stack ALL of those and I get by just fine outnumbered.
I wasn’t saying stack all of the possibles together... I could have explained that better. More of an outline of different ways to help survive.
Again... it’s not a tank and spank class, you have to use mobility to stay alive in certain scenarios. But you can def brawl on mnb if you use even half of what I outlined.
Maybe on console. Not happening on PC...
Class must dead over there.
Sorry to sound Elitist but there's stuff on console that's no way would work on PC and vice versa hahahaha.
I mostly notice this with the PvP pace, console PvP is slower, people have more "time to react". I have no idea if some players are using macros on PC but I've been hitted by entire combos in the exact same second (maybe is server lag, animation canceling, delayed register, etc).
So the playstyle you are describing, no way it would save you on PC, the burst here is just too much. Why do you think people have been crying to get a burst heal for MagNB, because hots are not a reliable source of healing to keep you alive in PvP.
That's why I said, if you play like that, you won't be able to kill anyone and eventually people will burst you down (at least on PC). I consider myself pretty fast with my dmg burst but I've meet people that are easily twice as fast. And right now the fastest burst come from MagSorcs.
That's the whole reason why Caluurion + Zaan works, because when everything procs at once, the opponent doesn't have time to react and keep up with all the incoming damage. By the time people break the initial cc, Zaan is already working its way through execute range...
By your logic hots would be stronger than a burst heal due to lack of time to react... if you’re getting blown up in a single GCD... there’s nothing a burst heal could do to help you. Hots gotta be up near 100% of the time.
I’ve never played console, but I’m PC-NA. I’ll occasionally see a magblade but it’s very rare, saw some immediately after Els but less these days.
Most magblades fall into the glass canon trap. By that I mean the thinking goes like this:
1. People are tanky, so I need to increase my damage to kill anyone
2. I’ll sacrifice defense to increase my damage
Then they’re so glass canon they’re unhealable and die in seconds if attacked. So go more glass canon and build with proc sets for pure ganking.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think I’m the only higher MMR magblade on PC-NA? When I do occasionally see other magblades they get wrecked. I’ll only do maybe 1-10 BGs per day so there might be more but I don’t see them. Usually when I do I’ll have just as many kills and damage as them as a healer.
It’s the thinking that the only way to kill anyone in pvp as a magblade is in less then 3 GCDs as a full glass canon which leads to all the ‘you can’t kill anyone with that spec’, etc’... comes from. Unfortunately the glass canon strategy just doesn’t work against experienced players so most magblades get wrecked.
The other classes (specifically Templars and Wardens) can heal themselves and other players from execute to 100% with the push of a key. MagBlade can't do that, our option is trying to outdps them with pressure and at the same time we heal ourselves.
Remember the concept of MagBlade is "the more dmg you do, the most healing you get" (swallow soul, merciless resolve and siphoning attacks). The problem with this playstyle is that is super unreliable and if you focus on having more raw defense, you will not kill anyone. Our defense supposed to be our "tricks", stealth, shadow, fear and positioning...
And neither of those classes (nor DK) have a mobility skill anywhere close to Shade.
I never use shade outside of dueling. It's super unreliable... Streak does the same but 100% better.
Imo shade should not have a timer. When you cast it, that's it, the shade should stay there forever until you teleport to it or until you recast it in another place outside of the teleport range. But the timer is so unreliable, I loss the count of how many times my shade have expired the second before I was actually going to use it...2