Buff magblade

Jeremy

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

As a magblade main I have no comment on this.

I just want concealed weapon most of all to be reworked it’s useless most magblade will use dark cloak. And I don’t like relying on healing ward to stay alive it’s alright most of the time because I play solo but if I get into a fight near friendly player there’s a 50% chance I won’t get the healing ward and that is no good.

It's good for the speed buff.

I tried healing ward and thought it sucked. Way too expensive for mediocre results. I thought the vampire drain did a better job at keeping me alive.

Believe me if we magblades had a magic version of vigor I’d use shadow disguise and drop shields all together then concealed weapon wouldn’t be so bad. But only reliable self heal we got dark cloak so unfortunately that kind makes concealed weapon useless especially for brawler blades.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. Those siphon spells don't really cut it for healing and dark cloak was the only good heal NIght Blades had I could find.

Have you tried out the vampire drain? It works pretty decent at getting your health back up. I would use that over ward personally, but then I hated ward. All it seemed to do was waste my magicka.

Deathlord92

Jeremy wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

As a magblade main I have no comment on this.

I just want concealed weapon most of all to be reworked it’s useless most magblade will use dark cloak. And I don’t like relying on healing ward to stay alive it’s alright most of the time because I play solo but if I get into a fight near friendly player there’s a 50% chance I won’t get the healing ward and that is no good.

It's good for the speed buff.

I tried healing ward and thought it sucked. Way too expensive for mediocre results. I thought the vampire drain did a better job at keeping me alive.

Believe me if we magblades had a magic version of vigor I’d use shadow disguise and drop shields all together then concealed weapon wouldn’t be so bad. But only reliable self heal we got dark cloak so unfortunately that kind makes concealed weapon useless especially for brawler blades.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. Those siphon spells don't really cut it for healing and dark cloak was the only good heal NIght Blades had I could find.

Have you tried out the vampire drain? It works pretty decent at getting your health back up. I would use that over ward personally, but then I hated ward. All it seemed to do was waste my magicka.

I will give it a try haven’t used it yet.

Deathlord92

Got a question for you hardcore pvp magblade fans. On Kristopher top 5 pvp series there was a really good magblade called react faster I loved his style of play how many swift traits was he using on his jewellery do you think 🤔

Deathlord92

And if you don’t know the answer if I where to use swift on my jewellery how many pieces of swift should I use for pvp?

ScruffyWhiskers

After the nerf to the swift trait, it's tough to justify. Concealed gives you a nice invis speed boost. RAT will give you tactical speed burst if you need it. You are probably better off going with infused and a spell power enchantment. Decide on what you want your stats to be for your main damage tooltips and regen and adjust accordingly. Don't underestimate the need for magicka regen.

I watched the video and it didn't look like his speed was that m uch faster than normal. He even had shadowy disguise on a different bar from concealed which was interesting.

LadySinflower

I started playing last October and chose a stamblade as my very first character. Boy was that a mistake! I couldn't keep her alive because I had no burst heals, and I just couldn't get her dialed in skills-wise. She felt weak to me - easily killed and (despite articles claiming some of the highest dps in the game) took forever to kill even weak mobs. I didn't know a NB would be so hard to learn with and in fact had read something that said the stamblade was a good character to learn with. I tried rearranging her skills and developing a good rotation several times. I played with the stamblade until about CP25 and didn't feel like she could do delves or take on mobs of more than two. So I decided to change her to magblade. Once I changed all her specs for magicka and started running double destruction staff (one on each bar), I started to love my character. She's nearly CP600 now. I fight dragons with her every night. The magblade is fun and for me way less difficult to manage compared to stamblade. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of others out there.

Iskiab

Deathlord92 wrote: »

And if you don’t know the answer if I where to use swift on my jewellery how many pieces of swift should I use for pvp?

Swift can be good. What people who’re using Swift are trying to do is be just a bit faster then others, so they can get out of melee range and line of sight more easily.

Myself I like the steed mundus. Try the steed mundus first to see if it helps escaping, but more important is race against time.

I’d say start with that and if you find it’s not enough add one swift at a time. Being fast is fun, but you lose stats with every swift trait so I wouldn’t overdo it.

Deathlord92

Iskiab wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

And if you don’t know the answer if I where to use swift on my jewellery how many pieces of swift should I use for pvp?

Swift can be good. What people who’re using Swift are trying to do is be just a bit faster then others, so they can get out of melee range and line of sight more easily.

Myself I like the steed mundus. Try the steed mundus first to see if it helps escaping, but more important is race against time.

I’d say start with that and if you find it’s not enough add one swift at a time. Being fast is fun, but you lose stats with every swift trait so I wouldn’t overdo it.

Ok thank you I will try it that does make sense actually.

Victor_Blade

Please don't make zos rework concealed weapon to heal. That's pretty stupid considering it's very useful for gank builds for the speed buff.

And even if it does get reworked into giving a better heal than ahem swallow soul, then that will basically pigeonhole magblade class into playing melee. Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of the magblades sometimes switch out fear and soul harvest for reach and soul assault /meteor. The class lacks a good self heal but if they add a heal on concealed then we wouldn't ever get any actual heal on demand skill outside of dark cloak. Melee magblades will benefit from it but most of us won't.

Deathlord92

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Please don't make zos rework concealed weapon to heal. That's pretty stupid considering it's very useful for gank builds for the speed buff.

And even if it does get reworked into giving a better heal than ahem swallow soul, then that will basically pigeonhole magblade class into playing melee. Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of the magblades sometimes switch out fear and soul harvest for reach and soul assault /meteor. The class lacks a good self heal but if they add a heal on concealed then we wouldn't ever get any actual heal on demand skill outside of dark cloak. Melee magblades will benefit from it but most of us won't.

Range magblade has swallow soul for there heal melee magblade don’t and unless ur using shadow disguise extra movement speed in stealth is useless I want melee magblade to be stronger like stamblade is I always have and will.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of them don't, in fact.

And the ones that do are sort of gimped with a kit that doesn't synergize well with itself.

Insco851

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of them don't, in fact.

And the ones that do are sort of gimped with a kit that doesn't synergize well with itself.

Eh. I play melee range with destro/swallow soul/fear/soul harvest. I do fine. This patch has 9/10 tanks running around tho so a lot of 1v1’s just stall out.

Dark cloak of course.

Victor_Blade

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Please don't make zos rework concealed weapon to heal. That's pretty stupid considering it's very useful for gank builds for the speed buff.

And even if it does get reworked into giving a better heal than ahem swallow soul, then that will basically pigeonhole magblade class into playing melee. Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of the magblades sometimes switch out fear and soul harvest for reach and soul assault /meteor. The class lacks a good self heal but if they add a heal on concealed then we wouldn't ever get any actual heal on demand skill outside of dark cloak. Melee magblades will benefit from it but most of us won't.

Range magblade has swallow soul for there heal melee magblade don’t and unless ur using shadow disguise extra movement speed in stealth is useless I want melee magblade to be stronger like stamblade is I always have and will.

Then I guess melee magblades could play at melee with swallow soul as well. The heal on concealed weapon is pretty stupid tbh. Have two healing spammable doesn't make sense and zos won't implement it either.

Trust me if you guys keep asking for a heal on concealed, zos will end up breaking the skill lol. Let's just keep asking for a self heal that's as strong as vigor and everyone will be satisfied.

Or they could take the dumb morph of blessing of protection and make it a burst heal with a heal over time. The heal on concealed just doesn't make sense and it'll end up being an awkward skill like mericless.

I understand stamblades are stronger than melee magblade by a long shot but adding a heal on concealed won't help. Besides you'd have to be in combat to get that heal ie attack someone. If they block or dodge then no heal for you. This is why I want a class burst heal or a change blessing of restoration since people only use combat prayer.

Chelo

kind_hero wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

Again people talking in general about the nightblade when in fact they are referring to pvp issues.

PvP is the only thing that matters.

that is your angle

From my point of view, the devs should make separate abilities for pvp, so other players should not be impacted by the whining of pvpers. I dislike how they changed the spectral bow. They made it slow, so it can be telegraphed enough in pvp to dodge it, because pvp players complained they could not dodge it, and somehow everything should be dodge-able/avoidable, right, because people who complain on the forums about pvp hate to lose. Also, we lost dmg to get protection... probably to compensate the other tanky builds people play in BGs. But this is not in line with the class, what it should be, these nerfs are just bandaids over an inconsistent class that feels totally different from years ago (I play a nightblade since december 2014)

People who play pve and trials complain far less, they adapt, practice and overcome imbalances. Same like in vMA... you adapt, you try different builds, until you master it, because whining on the forums will not result in a vMA nerf. But the pvp community is far more vocal than others... and by that I do not mean only pve. Housing, crafting, RP and so on.

LOL PvE adapt hahahahaha nice joke XD. Once you figure out PvE, that's it, mobs will always behave the same.

PvP is where creativity have a place in this game. Absolutely no one behave the same way...

Deathlord92

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Please don't make zos rework concealed weapon to heal. That's pretty stupid considering it's very useful for gank builds for the speed buff.

And even if it does get reworked into giving a better heal than ahem swallow soul, then that will basically pigeonhole magblade class into playing melee. Not all magblades play at melee range.

Most of the magblades sometimes switch out fear and soul harvest for reach and soul assault /meteor. The class lacks a good self heal but if they add a heal on concealed then we wouldn't ever get any actual heal on demand skill outside of dark cloak. Melee magblades will benefit from it but most of us won't.

Range magblade has swallow soul for there heal melee magblade don’t and unless ur using shadow disguise extra movement speed in stealth is useless I want melee magblade to be stronger like stamblade is I always have and will.

Then I guess melee magblades could play at melee with swallow soul as well. The heal on concealed weapon is pretty stupid tbh. Have two healing spammable doesn't make sense and zos won't implement it either.

Trust me if you guys keep asking for a heal on concealed, zos will end up breaking the skill lol. Let's just keep asking for a self heal that's as strong as vigor and everyone will be satisfied.

Or they could take the dumb morph of blessing of protection and make it a burst heal with a heal over time. The heal on concealed just doesn't make sense and it'll end up being an awkward skill like mericless.

I understand stamblades are stronger than melee magblade by a long shot but adding a heal on concealed won't help. Besides you'd have to be in combat to get that heal ie attack someone. If they block or dodge then no heal for you. This is why I want a class burst heal or a change blessing of restoration since people only use combat prayer.

Don’t get me wrong I want a good self heal that is why I started this post. It’s all about magblade getting a self heal and stronger concealed weapon so cyrodiil will fear magblade as well 🙂

GhostofDatthaw

Lotus is a bust skill for pve and even really wonky for pvp. The travel time of it is just clunky and slightly off. It seems to take the sake amount of time regardless of distance

Insco851

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Lotus is a bust skill for pve and even really wonky for pvp. The travel time of it is just clunky and slightly off. It seems to take the sake amount of time regardless of distance

Exactly. Same time regardless of difference.

Iskiab

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Lotus is a bust skill for pve and even really wonky for pvp. The travel time of it is just clunky and slightly off. It seems to take the sake amount of time regardless of distance

I’ve been comparing different abilities recently looking for what ability to add for my last slot in my build.

Lotus fan does feel clunky and I think it may be a targeting issue? I’m not sure yet. There were some times where it didn’t fire when I thought it would. Does it have a really small targeting area? Think I’ll have to play on the dummy to figure it out.

Deathlord92

Hmmm lotus fan seems alright when I was using it no more problems then what I have with ambush. During prime time I tend to have lot problems with casting skills. With lotus fan and ambush and no matter how close I am to the player I seem to always be out of range lmao 😂

Deathlord92

Hmm I was thinking after playing a lot of magblade maybe they should add minor magic steal and hot on concealed weapon when you hit someone with it.

Insco851

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Hmm I was thinking after playing a lot of magblade maybe they should add minor magic steal and hot on concealed weapon when you hit someone with it.

With the “redundancy” patch just in the rear view- no chance they give minor magic steal to any other magblade skill.

I think what I would fight for is the speed boost to be at all times instead of just in cloak, and a burst/hot on attack with a cool down.

“While concealed weapon is slotted you gain a constant 15% speed boost.

When you deal damage with concealed weapon you heal for “X” amount and an additional “X” amount over 5 seconds. This can occur once every 8 seconds”

Alternate: “every 3rd cast of concealed weapon stuns the opponent”

Untie concealed weapons percs from stealth.

Deathlord92

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Hmm I was thinking after playing a lot of magblade maybe they should add minor magic steal and hot on concealed weapon when you hit someone with it.

With the “redundancy” patch just in the rear view- no chance they give minor magic steal to any other magblade skill.

I think what I would fight for is the speed boost to be at all times instead of just in cloak, and a burst/hot on attack with a cool down.

“While concealed weapon is slotted you gain a constant 15% speed boost.

When you deal damage with concealed weapon you heal for “X” amount and an additional “X” amount over 5 seconds. This can occur once every 8 seconds”

Alternate: “every 3rd cast of concealed weapon stuns the opponent”

Untie concealed weapons percs from stealth.

Yup I like your idea to tbh I’m all for magblade it’s all I been playing for last 3 weeks and I’m loving it a lot.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Trust me if you guys keep asking for a heal on concealed, zos will end up breaking the skill lol. Let's just keep asking for a self heal that's as strong as vigor and everyone will be satisfied.

Dude, I'm not invested in a heal on Concealed Weapon.

Like I mentioned before, I personally want Minor Breach attached to it. And like @Insco851 said, I'd be PERFECTLY happy if they uncoupled the speed bonus from stealth and made it constant (although it would need to be reduced a bit for balance purposes).

kaithuzar

Right now the speed boost isn’t enough to justify using concealed over swallow soul, in my opinion.

The only things we & others struggle against are:
Bleeds
Sorcs spamming to keep up pets & shields.
Shimmering shield

Everything else is either balanced or I don’t have too much problem with.

Ballista as an ult, is super annoying though, because I don’t always know I’m being hit by it or where it was dropped; until I’m dead.
It’s like you’re hit with 2 shots & by the 3rd you’re dead without seeing your health depleted much on the first 2 hits

Chelo

Been trying Race Against Time with Concealed Weapon + Shadowy Disguise, all in back bar for PvP. IMO they should rework Concealed Weapon entirely and just make it an utility/defensive skill, because right I feel it only purpose is to get that increase stealth speed, and that mobility is amazing.

I feel that Concealed Weapon simply doesn't work for the Magicka NB playstyle as an offensive spamable, if doesn't synergy well with the rest of the kit, since everything else is range anyway, and I'm not talking about the Caluurion + Zaan build, I said long ago that build are the proccs doing the killing for the player...

They should leave Surprise Attack, as the offensive Stamina Spamable and change Concealed Weapon to something else, retaining the stealth speed but make the skill do something else on activation, maybe give Minor Berserk and another passive that make any attack stun when you land it from Stealth? I don't know, just rework the skill, having to slot it for the sole purpose of stealth speed is kinda lame...

Saril_Durzam

Buff? after this patch, magblade will be best magicka DPS class but maybe, just maybe, necro.

Ok, it´s still far from Stamina builds, but just checking other magicka classes, the situation isn´t bad. And considering Nightbalde is a true Stamina class, ...

Deathlord92

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Buff? after this patch, magblade will be best magicka DPS class but maybe, just maybe, necro.

Ok, it´s still far from Stamina builds, but just checking other magicka classes, the situation isn´t bad. And considering Nightbalde is a true Stamina class, ...

I’m more for melee magblade and with the shield nerfs I’m actually a little worried as magblade doesn’t have a twilight matriarch or breath of life.

Iskiab

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Buff? after this patch, magblade will be best magicka DPS class but maybe, just maybe, necro.

Ok, it´s still far from Stamina builds, but just checking other magicka classes, the situation isn´t bad. And considering Nightbalde is a true Stamina class, ...

What on earth in the patch notes would make you think magblade would be the top magicka class?

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Buff? after this patch, magblade will be best magicka DPS class but maybe, just maybe, necro.

Ok, it´s still far from Stamina builds, but just checking other magicka classes, the situation isn´t bad. And considering Nightbalde is a true Stamina class, ...

What on earth in the patch notes would make you think magblade would be the top magicka class?

Or Necro.... lmao

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Buff? after this patch, magblade will be best magicka DPS class but maybe, just maybe, necro.

Ok, it´s still far from Stamina builds, but just checking other magicka classes, the situation isn´t bad. And considering Nightbalde is a true Stamina class, ...

What on earth in the patch notes would make you think magblade would be the top magicka class?

Or Necro.... lmao

Must be a pve perspective to say magnecro, but still I don’t see anything that would benefit magblade dps more then another mag class.

If other classes go up 5k magblade will go up 5k too shouldn’t it? That will still leave magblade 1k ahead of MagWarden but behind every other class unless I’m missing something big.